Powers & Abilities Zoro's Conqueror's Haki is Different

How do characters gain stronger or weaker CoC?

  • By becoming stronger in their chosen fighting style

    Votes: 19 26.8%
  • They can't. They're born with a certain, unchangeable innate capacity to learn CoC.

    Votes: 20 28.2%
  • They display dedication to their dream (e.g. Zoro)

    Votes: 42 59.2%
  • They actually achieve their dream (e.g. Ryuma, Mihawk)

    Votes: 12 16.9%
  • By becoming more charismatic

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 5 7.0%

  • Total voters
    71
#44
Luffy recruited the strongest swordsman.
Nami Official Position in Crew is Navigator
Chopper's Official Position in Crew is Doctor
Sanji is Cook, Usopp is Sniper, Brook Musician ... etc

What is Zoro's Official Position in Crew?
Don't lie to yourself
Zoro doesn't belong to Luffy's status, ever. Luffy is the main character, chosen one, likely Joy Boy who is so far mastering every type of haki and is also bound to master his devil fruit in order to face the strongest creature in the world, another D. with more than one devil fruit which happen to also be among the strongest (and probably Xebec's inheritor), the arguably most powerful marine (ever, I'd say) and who knows if Im and the potential there. Oda will make a devil fruit user have better CoC than a non-devil fruit user because not only Luffy is bound to keep being stronger than Zoro, but also because he's obviously the character with the highest willpower in this whole series and so his conqueror's haki will be the most powerful ever in history.
Go re-read Luffy's Dream
He was never the Chosen One because of his Fighting Ability alone
Mihawk already said what's his Most Powerful Ability

Go read why Gan Fall refused Enel being their Ruler (If it was Power alone, they would have obeyed Enel)
Go read Hancock's Reaction when Luffy showed CoC & then bowed to her
Go read Oden's Reaction when Roger showed CoC & then bowed to WB/Oden

Dude, do you even realize that Zoro's Swordsmanship never changed since Chapter 1?
He still uses the Same Techniques he learned when he was just a Bounty Hunter, he never trained to improve his Swordsmanship, or said i need a New Sword Style or New Sword Technique ... etc

He is getting stronger by improving his Haki & Physical Stats & learning how to use Haki Flow on his Swords (Breath of All Things & then Flying Slashes & then CoA & then CoC & then Black Sword ... etc). While Asura represents Personification of his Willpower

Mihawk when he challenged Zoro, he said "Master you will, know yourself" !!
He didn't say "Get gud or train your Swordsmanship more or try Four-Sword Style ... etc"

And tbh i don't need to prove any of this, Zoro himself said his Willpower is greater than Luffy's
And when they met Urashima, he only felt overwhelming Aura from Zoro, not Luffy (Even though Zoro doesn't even know he has CoC)

Zoro's Willpower is Bottomless while Sanji's Kindness is Bottomless
Luffy have Zoro's Willpower + Sanji's Kindness/Emotions making him Chosen One & the rightful Ruler of The World
 
#45
I'm trying to figure out while his ACoC gives of smoke/steam.



I used to think it was because enma was forcing him to release too much of his haki but that doesn't seem to be the case since all 3 swords are giving off that smoke/steam.



Zoro is the only giving off smoke/steam.


I wonder if it has something to do with creating a black blade. This could be the first step.
Maybe because Zoro's Haki is hot? Would explain why his CoC manifestation (Ashura) is a fire demon thing
 
#48
With the final confirmation of Zoro's Conqueror's Haki, it's time to look back over what we know about this ability and how our heroes have unlocked it in the past. Going back over Ace and Luffy's experiences with CoC, it becomes painfully obvious that Zoro, even as a novice CoC user, unlocked it at a much higher level than they did. I'd even go so far as to argue that Zoro's will to become a king has been portrayed as stronger than Luffy's, even given Luffy's 2 years of CoC experience and his continuous declarations about becoming Pirate King. Controversial? Not really, once you look at the evidence.

Just like Ace and Luffy, Zoro's first proper manifestation of CoC was in defence of someone else. Zoro launched his final attack on Kaido just as Kaido was about to finish off a downed Luffy, saying that Kaido should take his head instead:


Now Kaido is no stranger to other Conquerors. In fact, he doesn't really care if the Supernovas are Conquerors or not. As Chinjao said, it's not all that uncommon the deeper you go into the New World, and Kaido's reaction to Luffy's CoC is merely to shrug and go back to drinking himself into a stupor:

But as soon as Zoro displays CoC, Kaido is shocked. Why the sudden interest, Kaido? Could it be that this is his first time seeing advanced CoC physically manifested as an extra set of human limbs? We've only seen CoC in the form of generic black lightning, but Zoro's fighting spirit is clearly on a different, much more tangible level.

Let's also look at how beginners make use of CoC. Observe how Ace and Luffy needed to issue a command in order to impose their will over fodders:


Zoro, on the other hand, doesn't need to issue a command. He doesn't even register the fodder, lost in thought about Enma and facing away from them, towards King.
Zoro's CoC is so strong that he can simply passively KO fodder. This is different to even Shanks, who was actively using his CoC to display dominance in front of Whitebeard and his crew. Let's not also forget that Zoro is a newbie. He shouldn't have that level of control over CoC, when only a short while ago, he didn't even realise he had it. Luffy had the basic form of CoC since Amazon Lily, but wasn't able to use it on command until after the timeskip.

Then again, it shouldn't be surprising that Zoro's CoC is stronger. This man suffered a crippling injury at the very beginning of the story, but proceeded to take on a Logia, an elite martial artist and assassin, absorbed all of Luffy's pain and tore through an entire island of humandrills before Mihawk even started training him. Zoro's fighting spirit is the strongest in the series bar none.




If Haki = willpower, it's no wonder that Zoro's is above all others. None can compare to his determination, and if black blades are related to CoC, it's even more evident that Zoro's CoC (and by extension, Mihawk's as well) would be the strongest in-series.

What do you guys think? Will Zoro and Mihawk end up having the strongest CoC? I legitimately don't see any way for Luffy's willpower to overcome Zoro's at this point.

Great read as always... :steef:


And yes, I do honestly think that Zoro's willpower is even greater than that of Luffy.
 
#49
Great read as always... :steef:


And yes, I do honestly think that Zoro's willpower is even greater than that of Luffy.
Oh absolutely. Zoro's willpower is leagues above Luffy's.

What's actually come from Luffy's will to become PK? Bit of glaring while unconscious? Who cares lmao, certainly not Kaido. But when half-dead, post-Hakai Zoro unleashes CoC, suddenly Kaido looks like he's about to shit his pants. That should immediately tell you how much potential Zoro's CoC has - imagine when he actually masters it properly! He'll put Shanks the Hakiman to shame.
 

Bogard

You can't win
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#51
Oh absolutely. Zoro's willpower is leagues above Luffy's.

What's actually come from Luffy's will to become PK? Bit of glaring while unconscious? Who cares lmao, certainly not Kaido. But when half-dead, post-Hakai Zoro unleashes CoC, suddenly Kaido looks like he's about to shit his pants. That should immediately tell you how much potential Zoro's CoC has - imagine when he actually masters it properly! He'll put Shanks the Hakiman to shame.
I think the reason why Kaido was shocked at Zoro's display of coc is because he managed to coat coc into his Asura, which as he stated himself is something "only a handful of the very strongest" could use.

Luffy didn't know how to coat coc before getting hit by Kaido's thunder bagua, so in a sense it was a real shock for Kaido to see that Zoro not only had coc, but managed to be able to coat it. That was the true display of Zoro's potential imo. But at the time, he couldn't control it, which the fight against King led him to(control over coc-coating while taming Enma)
 
#53
Kaido looks like he's about to shit his pants
Yes, Zoro fans are king of exaggerations.


One punch from red roc and Kaidou seen his nightmares and the people he respect at the same time. Do we use this to scale to Kaidou reaction to Ashura as this reaction was more exaggerated than Ashura?
kaidou dodged red attack that Luffy about to hit. Only attack that Kaidou apparently dodged was 'hiryu kaen' or whatever. Does that mean Luffy red attack = that attack?
You people casually ignore other things and take only things that is convenient.
Clowns.
 
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