Speculations Zoro's WSS title fight explained

[Herrera95]

So it is not new for most of you that I've being saying this for a long time and I'm probably the only one who says it. Zoro vs Mihawk won't happen.

My own reason to believe in this was because since timeskip they spent 2 years together as teacher and student while Mihawk also allowing Zoro to live in his home and to be fed. People really underestimate this connection. The timeskip made Strawhats to spent more time with their masters than with their own crew. That doesn't mean the connection with the masters is stronger because it is way more strong to have a connection with someone that fought by your side, saved you and was there with you on the most difficult moments than someone who you had a peaceful time with.

So it would be absurd that Zoro a proud warrior would turn himself against such a person that was so good for him. Although Oda doesn't give a shit about character personality anymore and wouldn't mind to destroy Zoro character more than he already did.

But the reason people never bought my theory is that I never gave then a good explanation of how Zoro could become WSS if not fighting Mihawk. I used to say (and still believe it is true) that Mihawk doesn't need to lose a battle against someone so Zoro become WSS. If Mihawk is incapable of cutting diamond and Zoro does it then this could make him WSS. Or if he cuts nothing like people are speculating in his fight with Shiryuu. Lately I've being saying that he would destroy Uranus/mother flame for the title.

Well now I've come with a different theory that could make everyone believe more how Zoro would become WSS without fighting him.

Well first of all I'm dropping the believe that Mihawk won't lose a fight. Oda loves to do those empty statements that character can't keep it. Like Zoro and King saying they would never lose (somehow Oda believes Zoro never lost) or Luffy saying that about Kaido too and then 3 chapter laters falling off Onigashima and later dying. There are tons of statements like that where characters didn't kept their words so no reason to believe would be different with Mihawk.

Then who is beating Mihawk and getting his title? Fujitora? Greenbull with a black blade (I believe it is a black blade)? Shiryuu? Bald Gorosei (troll)? No! It will be no other than S-Hawk. That couldn't be a better candidate to beat Mihawk other than his exactly copy but powered up by Lunarian abilities and DF power while growing up in a rate exceptionally faster.

So what rest for us to know is how that fight would happen. It could be Cross Guild facing WG or Teach (if Devon and Van Augur got Seraphim at Egghead which I believe was the plan while possibly getting Kaku too for authority). Maybe Cross Guild team up with Strawhats and when S-Hawk is about to give Mihawk the finishing blow(kill him) Zoro shows up and saves his master (I would love that).

So here it is my improved theory of how Zoro will become WSS without beating Mihawk. What you people think?

EDIT: Since to some people this is still unclear the Seraphim physically(appearance) grows up in such a high rate that S-Hawk will be an adult (way similar to Mihawk) when their time comes.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

That would be a new low for Oda if a child was able to beat the WSS who has the strongest weapon in the world.
0 chance

 

[Daikenki]

"...Zoro Vs Mihawk won't hap_"

yeah just like how kidd was supposed to beat shanks

 

[Herrera95]

That would be a new low for Oda if a child was able to beat the WSS who has the strongest weapon in the world.
0 chance

Ok I will edit the theory to explain how S-Hawk will be an adult when their fight comes. It is clear that Seraphims grown up (physically) into a incredible high rate.

 

[Moegara]

It needs to be Zoro vs Mihawk.

 

[Indigo]

if it isn't Zoro vs Mihawk

i will travel to japan myself and find him

 

[Nikuzi]

Zoro will fight Mihawk

 

[HellBlazer04]

Wont read all that but I'll keep it simple:
Zoro's existence as a character is a waste if he doesn't fight mihawk as his final fight

 

[Salah WG]

Saying Zoro won't Defeat Mihawk is like saying Luffy won't reach Laugh Tale, but instead steal One Piece from whoever finds it
And Nami won't Draw World Map, She will just Copy it from whoever does ... etc

If Mihawk can be Replaced, then One Piece can be Re-Located, and All Blue can be Re-Located, and Poneglyphs can be Re-Written ... etc
SHs Goals lose their Meaning if They aren't First to Fulfill them

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Lol i genuinely think ur whole theory just goes out the window with zoro getting a permanent eye scar to which the only assumption is Mihawk. No other logic makes sense... after mihawk trained zoro, zoro tried him and lost a eye.

On top of that during one of zoros biggest moments of unlocking coc is him reaffirming his promise that he made to luffy to defeat mihawk right in front of his captain.

I think you simply downplay how serious being the wss is for mihawk, just because he trained the guy doesn't mean they won't fight for the title later...If we both agree that mihawk is waiting for a swordsman stronger than shanks as his vivre card states then him training zoro to eventually surpass shanks is simply par the course. You also don't know what kind of character mihawk will actually be when faced with someone stronger than shanks.

Lastly we all talk about how easy zoro coasted in the new world, that also hypes up mihawk because with every thing zoro did mihawk was and is still better.

 

[Herrera95]

Wont read all that but I'll keep it simple:
Zoro's existence as a character is a waste if he doesn't fight mihawk as his final fight

Then fucking reading before saying bullshit around. Zoro has nothing to do with Mihawk.

Post automatically merged: Feb 19, 2024

Saying Zoro won't Defeat Mihawk is like saying Luffy won't reach Laugh Tale, but instead steal One Piece from whoever finds it
And Nami won't Draw World Map, She will just Copy it from whoever does ... etc

If Mihawk can be Replaced, then One Piece can be Re-Located, and All Blue can be Re-Located, and Poneglyphs can be Re-Written ... etc
SHs Goals lose their Meaning if They aren't First to Fulfill them

Zoro dream was never to defeat Mihawk. Luffy's dream was never to go Laugh Tale. I could even say that was never to find One Piece.

Zoro wants to become WSS. Luffy wants to become Pirate King. How they will achieve that doesn't matter as long as they achive.

Luffy can steal One Piece without a problem. He is a pirate after all. But Pirate King is whoever finds it not whoever steals it. Nami's dream is to draw not to be the first one so yes she could just copy from whoever does it.

Chopper dream is to cure all diseases so he could just find a book that tells him how to do it.

Usopp dream is to be a brave warrior of the sea so he will find someone who teaches him how to do it and acknowledges him when he does it.

Sanji's dream is to find All Blue. He doesn't need to be the one that creates All Blue (that will be once Red Line is destroyed).

 

[HellBlazer04]

Then fucking reading before saying bullshit around. Zoro has nothing to do with Mihawk.

He has everything to do with Mihawk.
Defeating Mihawk is his entire goal. Zoro associates WSS title with Mihawk.

 

[Herrera95]

Lol i genuinely think ur whole theory just goes out the window with zoro getting a permanent eye scar to which the only assumption is Mihawk. No other logic makes sense... after mihawk trained zoro, zoro tried him and lost a eye.

On top of that during one of zoros biggest moments of unlocking coc is him reaffirming his promise that he made to luffy to defeat mihawk right in front of his captain.

I think you simply downplay how serious being the wss is for mihawk, just because he trained the guy doesn't mean they won't fight for the title later...If we both agree that mihawk is waiting for a swordsman stronger than shanks as his vivre card states then him training zoro to eventually surpass shanks is simply par the course. You also don't know what kind of character mihawk will actually be when faced with someone stronger than shanks.

Lastly we all talk about how easy zoro coasted in the new world, that also hypes up mihawk because with every thing zoro did mihawk was and is still better.

Perhaps Zoro got his eye lost when training. Again why the hell a proud warrior like Zoro would go after a man that was so kind with him? You really doesn't understand Zoro. He putted Luffy's dream above his when he asked Mihawk to train him.

He never promised to defeat Mihawk. He promised to never lose (which is bullshit since he already did) and to become the WSS.

S-Hawk is perfectly fine to be stronger than Shanks, Zoro and even Mihawk when he gets older.

Post automatically merged: Feb 19, 2024

He has everything to do with Mihawk.
Defeating Mihawk is his entire goal. Zoro associates WSS title with Mihawk.

Nope. Mihawk is just the current holder of the title. Zoro cares about the title not Mihawk.

 

[Nadel]

So it is not new for most of you that I've being saying this for a long time and I'm probably the only one who says it. Zoro vs Mihawk won't happen.

My own reason to believe in this was because since timeskip they spent 2 years together as teacher and student while Mihawk also allowing Zoro to live in his home and to be fed. People really underestimate this connection. The timeskip made Strawhats to spent more time with their masters than with their own crew. That doesn't mean the connection with the masters is stronger because it is way more strong to have a connection with someone that fought by your side, saved you and was there with you on the most difficult moments than someone who you had a peaceful time with.

So it would be absurd that Zoro a proud warrior would turn himself against such a person that was so good for him. Although Oda doesn't give a shit about character personality anymore and wouldn't mind to destroy Zoro character more than he already did.

But the reason people never bought my theory is that I never gave then a good explanation of how Zoro could become WSS if not fighting Mihawk. I used to say (and still believe it is true) that Mihawk doesn't need to lose a battle against someone so Zoro become WSS. If Mihawk is incapable of cutting diamond and Zoro does it then this could make him WSS. Or if he cuts nothing like people are speculating in his fight with Shiryuu. Lately I've being saying that he would destroy Uranus/mother flame for the title.

Well now I've come with a different theory that could make everyone believe more how Zoro would become WSS without fighting him.

Well first of all I'm dropping the believe that Mihawk won't lose a fight. Oda loves to do those empty statements that character can't keep it. Like Zoro and King saying they would never lose (somehow Oda believes Zoro never lost) or Luffy saying that about Kaido too and then 3 chapter laters falling off Onigashima and later dying. There are tons of statements like that where characters didn't kept their words so no reason to believe would be different with Mihawk.

Then who is beating Mihawk and getting his title? Fujitora? Greenbull with a black blade (I believe it is a black blade)? Shiryuu? Bald Gorosei (troll)? No! It will be no other than S-Hawk. That couldn't be a better candidate to beat Mihawk other than his exactly copy but powered up by Lunarian abilities and DF power while growing up in a rate exceptionally faster.

So what rest for us to know is how that fight would happen. It could be Cross Guild facing WG or Teach (if Devon and Van Augur got Seraphim at Egghead which I believe was the plan while possibly getting Kaku too for authority). Maybe Cross Guild team up with Strawhats and when S-Hawk is about to give Mihawk the finishing blow(kill him) Zoro shows up and saves his master (I would love that).

So here it is my improved theory of how Zoro will become WSS without beating Mihawk. What you people think?

EDIT: Since to some people this is still unclear the Seraphim physically(appearance) grows up in such a high rate that S-Hawk will be an adult (way similar to Mihawk) when their time comes.

Not only is Mihawk the wss title, Oda also gave Yoru the strongest sword and it is a black sword... if they face each other in a Mihawk vs s-hawk fight, -s-hawk would be at a disadvantage.
PS: What I do believe is that it is possible that s-hawk inherits Mihawk's sword, Yoru

 

[Cruxroux]

If zoro vs mihawk doesn't happen it will be the end of one piece.
Half of the readers will vanish.
And remaining off can't carry one piece in their number one spot.
I repeat , Fan base ain't about only luffy in this show.
If types of Zoro , Shanks , Mihawk , never appeared in the beginning of the show.
Show would have been mid regardless and oda would have actually completed it in 5 years or so.

 

[HellBlazer04]

Nope. Mihawk is just the current holder of the title. Zoro cares about the title not Mihawk.

And that's the point, Zoro associates that title with Mihawk only. He specifically said he wants to surpass mihawk.

 

[Herrera95]

Not only is Mihawk the wss title, Oda also gave Yoru the strongest sword and it is a black sword... if they face each other in a Mihawk vs s-hawk fight, -s-hawk would be at a disadvantage.
PS: What I do believe is that it is possible that s-hawk inherits Mihawk's sword, Yoru

Well we have to consider that S-Hawk has the same genes of Mihawk then it will have the same abilities and stats when they are same age. But Seraphims have advantage of Lunarian genes (flames that make them tougher/faster) and DF (if awakened could be interest one). That's what will give S-Hawk the advantage over Mihawk even with weaker sword (maybe S-Hawk even makes his own black blade?)

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If zoro vs mihawk doesn't happen it will be the end of one piece.
Half of the readers will vanish.
And remaining off can't carry one piece in their number one spot.
I repeat , Fan base ain't about only luffy in this show.
If types of Zoro , Shanks , Mihawk , never appeared in the beginning of the show.
Show would have been mid regardless and oda would have actually completed it in 5 years or so.

Zoro vs S-Hawk for the WSS title would be very close to the end so much likely no one would drop it. I didn't dropped after G5 shit despite being 1 month off it.
Again you are putting too much on Zoro vs Mihawk when the real battle is Zoro to become WSS.

And that's the point, Zoro associates that title with Mihawk only. He specifically said he wants to surpass mihawk.

No he doesn't. Mihawk is simply the current holder.

 

[Jika]

Lmao

No, just accept it

shiryu -> gorosei/Mihawk

 

[Garp the Fist]

Cross Guild exists to make Zoro vs Mihawk happen

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Perhaps Zoro got his eye lost when training. Again why the hell a proud warrior like Zoro would go after a man that was so kind with him? You really doesn't understand Zoro. He putted Luffy's dream above his when he asked Mihawk to train him.

He never promised to defeat Mihawk. He promised to never lose (which is bullshit since he already did) and to become the WSS.

S-Hawk is perfectly fine to be stronger than Shanks, Zoro and even Mihawk when he gets older.

Post automatically merged: Feb 19, 2024

Nope. Mihawk is just the current holder of the title. Zoro cares about the title not Mihawk.

I agree Zoro put Luffy's dream above his when he asked Mihawk to train him that in itself is zoro character development pretimeskip...he even says himself WHAT GOOD IS AMBITION IF I CAN'T EVEN SAVE THE LIFE OF MY OWN CAPTAIN.

Chapter 1033 is important for zoro as it is the original goal and was his most important driving factor before he chose to give it up for luffy sake...Zoro himself reaffirms to us the reader luffys words and the promise he made to luffy.

Please go read stephen paul translation i have linked it here and even if you disagree with him the manga has zoro says UNTIL I BEAT HIM AND BECOMES THE GREATEST SWORDSMAN

HIM=MIHAWK AND MIHAWK ALONE THERE IS NO ONE ELSE.

you can sit here and say zoro promised to never lose and he has loss so therefore it makes the promise null and void, but zoro himself and the author oda still believe he is right on course and that his words to luffy still ring true post wano zoro must and will defeat mihawk to become the wss.

Now yes a promise can be broken but so far MIHAWKS PROMISE TO ZORO AND BY EFFECT LUFFY WHO WAS RIGHT THERE LISTENING STILL HOLDS TRUE.

STRIVE TO SURPASS ME!!!!! not shanks not s hawk not the bald damn gorosei not fuji,gb,etc i could go on and on

FInally lets break down 3d2y

1.A proud zoro comes to mihawk and BOWS TO HIM asking him to teach him what he knows, to which mihawk remarks in DISAPPOINTMENT AT ZORO FOR BEGGING FOR INSTRUCTION FROM HIM QUESTIONING ZORO PRIDE. He immediately ask him to leave saying he is humiliating himself and he will not teach a man who can not finish what he started.

2. Zoro admits he wants to get stronger, and that he beat the monkeys the only one left to take down is mihawk...he even says i'm not stupid enough to think i can beat you yet. (this is why i believe zoro after training with mihawk thought he was strong enough to bring him down...stupid thinking from him to which he lost a eye by mihawk we know the monkeys are not strong enough for post training zoro,we know perona could not do it ,and we know that no sword is gonna float up and purposefully cut zoro eye).

3.Mihawk ask zoro why would you bow to a mortal foe and beg him to instruct you? Zoro Response is TO SURPASS YOU!! again not any other strong swordsman...the training is to surpass mihawk and mihawk alone the WSS!

4.The ending of the conversation is important since you seem to ignore this part the most. Mihawk laughs and says to zoro you want me to train you the sword so that one day you can take my head? You're a strange one!!! You're still a shameless fool. So you value somthing more than your own pride. Such a clumsy fool. When a man of your caliber abandons his pride,it is always for the sake of another.

5.Mihawk knows that with his training zoro will still try to come after him ultimately that did not matter to him as he agreed to the training. You asked me this question why the hell a proud warrior like Zoro would go after a man that was so kind with him? Because its a promise between the two men that was made in chapter 52:THE OATH and even though zoro himself threw away his pride to get stronger for luffy sake and train under mihawk zoro understands that this training is to one day SURPASS MIHAWK, and mihawk understands that with this training zoro would still try to take his head when they fight.

Edit: You say i do not understand zoro but i think you do not understand how much promises mean to zoro, and mihawks own promise of staying and standing at the top means for the story of one piece.