General & Others Rate Wano so far

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dizzy2341

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2/10

There are bad arcs...and then there's Wano. It has the extra context that takes it from being just another bad post timeskip arc to being a complete and utter disappointment, on the levels of which have rarely ever been seen.

When considering the time it's taken to build up this arc, its importance to the overall story, the length of the arc itself as well its impact on previous characters and arcs, I can only say that Wano has undoubtedly been the worst arc that I've ever read. And I'm not just talking about OP arcs here. From all manga and anime I've seen... none do as much damage to the series as the Wano arc.
 
kenedyfake

kenedyfake

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#43
#43
we are "in the big moment" of the arc with Kaido's fight and the people still don't seem to be enjoying the arc so much, imagine when the shit comes down from now on? the arc ratio will drop too much. the supernova joint fight was giving an up.
 
Doggo

Doggo

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#45
There are 2 ratings for Wano.

As a stand alone thing, I give it a 6/10. It's really nothing amazing. Got some DBZ panels, but I'm not reading DBZ, so it does nothing to me. The story itself is pretty generic. New country. Bad pirate. People sad. Luffy is gonna save the day. yay.

But the thing is...Wano is something hyped from a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. Not taking the "mentions" into consideration, Wano has been setup since Punk Hazard, with both Law's alliance proposal, and Kinemon's introduction.
Not only that, We were finally going against the Yonkos, the freaking endgame (No Imu-sama shenanigans at that point). We had steps. Capture Ceasar, destroy the factory on Dressrosa, plan changed and now includes beating Doflamingo ,etc etc. Meanwhile we were introduced to the samurai's plot, with Momo and shit. We reach Zou, we learn about the road poneglyphs and that one of them is with Kaido. A THIRD reason for Wano happening. We have this HUGE alliance with the heart pirates, the minks, the samurais, the SH's.
We then go to WCI. Which is not exactly a detour, since ANOTHER road poneglyph was there. After that, Big Mom becomes a major player for Wano. There's just SO MUCH going on for Wano, that when we FINALLY reach it....it's another generic arc of "separate SH's, Luffy loses to main baddie once, they get together, final fight begins....".

Wano does not FEEL like the pay off arc it should have been. It feels like just another checkpoint. And THAT is enough reason for me to rate it as a solid 2/10. The only reason it's not a 0/10, it's the Oden flashback. And that's not due to Oden, it's because of Roger and the "Laugh Tale". Oden himself is the cringiest character Oda has created. He has some good qualities, but the way he's portrayed simply makes it impossible for me to develop any kind of sympathy for him.

In conclusion:
Wano>>2/10. The ONLY arc in the ENTIRE One Piece story that made me consider dropping One Piece. I find it quite the feat, honestly, taking into consideration how fucking addicted I'm about OP. :kayneshrug:

At this point in time, I legit would rather have Sanji's fight offscreened even it he solo'ed Kaido himself, if it meant this arc would be over faster. :tchpepe:
 
Akagame

Akagame

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#46
#46
7/10 so far for me. The raid has been cool and the fight on the roof is amazing but the plot armor is really annoying right now. I don't like the 7 samurai either and the Shogun reveal being Orochi and not a badass samurai was a disappointment. Not enough focus on Zoro and Nico Robin, 2 characters who should have gotten a lot more as far as plot in this arc in regards to Poneglyphs and swordsmanship.
 
Taper

Taper

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#47
#47
Doggo said:
There are 2 ratings for Wano.

As a stand alone thing, I give it a 6/10. It's really nothing amazing. Got some DBZ panels, but I'm not reading DBZ, so it does nothing to me. The story itself is pretty generic. New country. Bad pirate. People sad. Luffy is gonna save the day. yay.

But the thing is...Wano is something hyped from a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. Not taking the "mentions" into consideration, Wano has been setup since Punk Hazard, with both Law's alliance proposal, and Kinemon's introduction.
Not only that, We were finally going against the Yonkos, the freaking endgame (No Imu-sama shenanigans at that point). We had steps. Capture Ceasar, destroy the factory on Dressrosa, plan changed and now includes beating Doflamingo ,etc etc. Meanwhile we were introduced to the samurai's plot, with Momo and shit. We reach Zou, we learn about the road poneglyphs and that one of them is with Kaido. A THIRD reason for Wano happening. We have this HUGE alliance with the heart pirates, the minks, the samurais, the SH's.
We then go to WCI. Which is not exactly a detour, since ANOTHER road poneglyph was there. After that, Big Mom becomes a major player for Wano. There's just SO MUCH going on for Wano, that when we FINALLY reach it....it's another generic arc of "separate SH's, Luffy loses to main baddie once, they get together, final fight begins....".

Wano does not FEEL like the pay off arc it should have been. It feels like just another checkpoint. And THAT is enough reason for me to rate it as a solid 2/10. The only reason it's not a 0/10, it's the Oden flashback. And that's not due to Oden, it's because of Roger and the "Laugh Tale". Oden himself is the cringiest character Oda has created. He has some good qualities, but the way he's portrayed simply makes it impossible for me to develop any kind of sympathy for him.

In conclusion:
Wano>>2/10. The ONLY arc in the ENTIRE One Piece story that made me consider dropping One Piece. I find it quite the feat, honestly, taking into consideration how fucking addicted I'm about OP. :kayneshrug:

At this point in time, I legit would rather have Sanji's fight offscreened even it he solo'ed Kaido himself, if it meant this arc would be over faster. :tchpepe:
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People have long abandoned this arc from a story perspective, most people are just waiting for their favorite character's to get off the bench and preform. Ultimately if you're favorite character was on the roof then you rate it highly but only really because of that, if the only redeeming part of an arc for people is one character they like looking good then ya as an author you have failed to capture the audience on any real emotional level. No one gave a rats ass about who fought who in the chimera ant arc, we wanted to see how the story was going to conclude because we CARED about Mereum, Komugi, Gon, Killua etc etc. Look at this arc as a massive display of cool shit; you like dragons? you like dbz esq fights? you like swords? you like badass looking shallow villains? you like crazy powerups that come out of nowhere? You like convenient plot devices that resolve any problems that may arise or stand in the way of seeing you're favorite character win? You like the strong bad guy turning to the good guys side just at the right moment?...… Well you just found yourself the most generic action Shonen arc you can find, so enjoy it.
 
NAMELESS

NAMELESS

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#49
#49
9/10!
Early Wano had some pretty cool moments:luffy fodderizing headliners,introduction to Kaido occupied Wano,Luffy getting nodiffed By Kaido!Marines alluding to BM+KAIDO ALLIANCE!Reverie...etc...
Mid Wano:Oden/Roger flash back,Udon training,BM arriving,BM+KAIDO unite,Preparation for the Raid,etc...
Onigashima War:some wasted chapters with idiotic stalling,but the action is pretty dam good!
IMO,Wano is one of best arcs in the series!People get frustrated with one piece because it has a slow pacing,it is not written to be read in a weekly basis!
But still,it is so addictive that we need to even read spoilers before the weekly chapter arrives!
 
lee33

lee33

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#50
I will rate it 1/10 and I am not joking. There were only three moments that I liked in Wano: Luffy getting one shotted, Zoro vs Killer and Kyoshiro. And Oda ruined those moments by these Fairy Tail type power ups of Luffy and now completely ruining kyoshiro character. kyoshiro was so much better as an Orochi lacky. I have so many issues with Wano. it is objectively bad. It is not an opinion that Wano is good, it is fact that it is bad.
 
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Hedfi

Hedfi

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#51
#51
Lucklaster if I'm being honest. Wano is like a bland and dry chicken sandwich for me. Yeah, I can eat that if I had to but I'd have liked to have some mayonaise with it to make it enjoyable.

Wano is lacking some delicious mayonaise to truely be a great arc. :luuh:
 
lee33

lee33

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#52
#52
So many issues I have with Wano. Just to name a few:

- Off screens Jack vs Ino/Neko, then off screens Carrot vs Pespero and yet provides ample amount of detailed chapters of fodder fights.

- Five chapters devoted to Luffy running to the roof fighting fodder just for him to reach 1000. That is the defintion of filler.

- Sanji screaming for help and being a simp while Luffy and Zoro are fighting Kaido. Oda has ruined Sanji character.

- ridiculously long prelude arcs: Punk Hazard, Dressrosa and Zou. Three arcs devoted to set up for Wano and yet we still needed 70 chapters of the first two acts for yet more set up. Like how much set up does an author need?

- Hyping the samari's up and yet they were dealt with easily by Kaido himself so why was the marines so scared of Wano?

- Toki being used as a baby machine. She was born in the void century and this is what Oda uses her for? Oda does not know how to write female characters.

- Oden being forced. Like why would they follow Oden when he left them for years while Kaido invaded them? And then when Oden finally came back being with the Pirate King he then danced for five more years? He was with the pirate king crew and that is what Oda wanted Oden to do for five years?

- The structure of these scenes and plotline. for example let's look at Kanjuro. What was the point in the scabbards fighting Kanjuro offscreen and Kanjuro being "killed" offscreen...only for the scabbards to have to confront Kanjuro a second time? That first encounter added absolutely nothing to the narrative and in fact hurt the Kanjuro plotline. Oda wasted months of tension and buildup on an offscreen encounter.

- Chapter after chapter Yamato and momo just running around

- Also, oda has maxed out world building to such an extent that no matter what he does he won't be able to do justice with all characters now.

- Large percent of those characters end up doing almost nothing relevant. This brings up the question why some of these characters were even brought into the story in the first place. This is were Yamato comes into place. What has she done so far? Yamato has been running with Momonosuke and Shinobu fighting against fodder and pointless shenanigans even though it has already been established that Momo isn't going to die. Do we really need a side-plot like this in the semi- endgame of OP?

-this arc had hundreds of chapters of build up before hand, yet the plot is still generic as ever, and the conflict is still about defeating a false ruler because one of the inhabitants are friends with Luffy, there's no ideological nor personal rivaly nor any deep reasons for fighting the big bad ,so far there's actually no reason for this arc to even exist, it's seems like filler.

-Oda has been setting up the current matchups and moving characters around for like over 30 chapters now.

- Wano is 80% just set up and 15 percent shenanigans and 5% story progression.

- This author is trying to run a 4 hour marathon in 5 minutes, to do so you have to take short cuts and progress in unnatural ways. Oda simply added too many characters and storylines, now he has no idea how to maneuver through this mess and often just leaps past all of it in attempts to just make luffy win because well.....that's what needs to happen. Oda at this point seems like an author who has a check list of things that he wants to just x off one by one, offhanded explanation's are not enough to make us care, so...what does he do? easy, just make it hype!, "but oda luffy just got one shot 2 weeks ago" ya....cause its hype, never mind how detrimental it is to current events, "but oda if it took luffy 2 weeks to learn the basics of advanced armament how did he just use advanced kings?!"....hype!. What oda does is check off what he needs to write and improvise what's in-between, writing for young boys is.....just make it look cool, Oda himself already said it and that's what your expectations should be.

- 4 Chapters earlier Kaido and Big Mom on a panel together where it was written "this is hell“ then chapter 1011 happened where Big Meme gets tamed by a 9 year old. A lot chapters earlier Kaido and Big Mom wants to dominate, conquer and destroy the world, now gets TAMED by one of the 3 worst plot-device by a child with a plot-armour that is even unreachable for Luffy.

- Ridiculous plot armour in the series. Against page one Big Mom uses conquerors haki punch. Against Kidd - the good guys = no haki. Would think Big Mom would take Kidd invading her island and injuring her commanders a bit more personal than Page One doing completely nothing against her but here we are. Oh I'm guessing her mental state wasn't right when her homies were attacked and switched which is why she couldn't use haki against Kidd amirite? lol

-What is the point anymore, why must we keep playing these stupid little games. Big Mom came to wano specifically to kill luffy, specifically to get revenge on luffy and she keeps getting distracted with shenanigans.

- Enemies keep getting revived, wont stay down and going back to fight (orochi , kanjuro, jack, apoo etc), it doesnt seem to be going one way or the other.

- Fairy Tail type power scaling: Luffy is now good enough to fight Kaido 1 v 1. Law and Zoro tanking the same attack that Luffy got one shotted by.

- No tension at all: Marco is fighting King and Queen on his own, The 9 Scabbards are healed and back in action, Otama has control over all the SMILE users that have been hyped up since Punk Hazard and Dressrosa, The Beast Pirates on the Main Floor have joined the alliance, Otama just befriended Big Mom and she just rocked Page One, etc.

-So instead of going back to the roof after Big Mom blows Kidd and Killer away, she “coincidentally” decides show up in front of Nami and co? How does this make any sense lol. And of course Zeus will be on the way there since Nami said she needs stronger lightening and Zeus is looking for Big Mom. Like I get it, Oda wanted to manufacture a situation where Nami gets Zeus but this is such a cheap way to do it lol. Also this is the second chapter where Oda shafts Kidd and Killer to give another character a moment. Last chapter so that Luffy could get his 1 v 1 with Kaido, he made Kidd act completely out of character to go chase Big Mom and people called it “character development”. (It wasn’t). In this chapter instead of letting Kidd finally do something big against Big Mom, just so Nami can get Zeus Kidd and Killer are blown away in the first pages and now Killer has to fight Hawkins and Kidd is “looking” for Big Mom. (ch 1011)

- This arc has been setup since 2012 in Punk Hazard and has had Dressrosa, Zou and WCI additionally setting this arc up. Yet STILL, despite 4 arcs of setup, Oda decided to give another 70 chapters of setup before the actual main event of the arc that everything is focused around. It would be made a bit better if the actual content in the 70 chapters was any good either.
 
Lifeismeh

Lifeismeh

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#53
I know things will change and some big reveals are coming

but I would say as it stand the biggest problem this arc had is it didn't need and deserve all the build up that came before, nothing make this arc special than any past arc

this arc could have the same quality with 0 chapter wasted on building it up before hand, I think Oda is at a crucial time, because when it's set and done people will question what's the point of characters like Kaido and arcs like Wano

it's a bit frustrating and annoying, it give me the vibe that One Piece is an incredibly mediocre manga that should have ended ages ago
 
Doggo

Doggo

Welcome to the House of Hope
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#54
#54
My opinion on current Oda:


There was a post that said Oda uses to get mad when people complain about things in the story, so he just goes overboard purely to "shut up his haters".

I have 0 respect for an author that decides to ruin his characters and stories only because he gets triggered that not everyone like the things the same way as he does. :kayneshrug:
 
Udell

Udell

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#56
9/10
I am just happen to see Luffy 1 v 12 Kaido while people were arguing about 7 people having to fight Kaido for him to go down. Also it's nice to see one of the supernovas still against the alliance though will probably change soon. Hawkins did help Law after all.

Plot is great
There are certain things I didn't like though. Might change to 10/10 based on how its wrapped up.
 
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Fuckthis3

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#58
#58
Udell said:
9/10
I am just happen to see Luffy 1 v 12 Kaido while people were arguing about 7 people having to fight Kaido for him to go down. Also it's nice to see one of the supernovas still against the alliance though will probably change soon. Hawkins did help Law after all.

Plot is great
There are certain things I didn't like though. Might change to 10/10 based on how its wrapped up.
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When did law help hawkins? Lol
 
lee33

lee33

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#59
#59
Doggo said:
My opinion on current Oda:

There was a post that said Oda uses to get mad when people complain about things in the story, so he just goes overboard purely to "shut up his haters".

I have 0 respect for an author that decides to ruin his characters and stories only because he gets triggered that not everyone like the things the same way as he does. :kayneshrug:
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Oda also admitted he hated Kishimoto because Naruto international sales were doing better than One Piece. Then Oda goes on to admit that he doesn't want his editors to help him because it is "his" story. Oda is known to be rather arrogant.
 
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