General & Others Why Page One Getting up from Big Moms attack would be problematic...

#1
In the recent chapter we see Big Mom a Yonko Hit Page One infusing Armament Haki and Conquerors Haki.
I've seen many are say Page One is going to recover from this and fight again....... were going to talk about why this is problematic

So lets start with this.......

Kaido is one of if not the most IF NOT THE MOST durable individual in the one piece verse.........

Before Luffys training We saw Gear 4 Luffy attack Kaido multiple times and Luffy couldn't hurt Kaido.

Kaido then proceeds to use Thunder Bagua, (which we now know was infused with both conquerors haki and armament haki) and One shots Luffy instantly..........



We find out in chapter 1010, the thing luffy was trying to learn in udon to bypass Kaidos Scales was infusing conquerors haki with his armament haki. This has allowed Luffy to go blow for blow with Kaido IN BASE and is likely the key to defeating Kaido. So the Ancient Zoan durability Excuse does not apply here. Kaido is more durable than the Ancient Zoans by a MILE from what the story has shown.........


We know Gear 3 Elephant Gun is enough to Draw blood from Page One.... and Sanjis regular kicks in the suit could make him scream.

With this information its safe to say the Gear 4 Luffy who couldn't hurt Kaido earlier in the arc would have destroyed Page One most likely.


We saw Big Mom subdue Queen a (Yonko Commander much stronger than Page One) in just about 2 basic attacks. 2 Basic Attacks from Big Mom had Queen Shook Queen and took him out of his dinosaur form. She drew blood from just slamming him.......


Big Mom is Yonko who used Conquerors Haki+ Armament haki hardening on Page One a Tobi Roppo who people preach is the weakest of the Tobi Roppo........far below a Commander.

Page One getting up from this attack implies it would require something as strong as Conquerors Haki+Armament haki to defeat an Anicent Zoan. Unless Oda intends to give Conquerors Haki attacks to the Strawhats and other characters downstairs who are fighting tobi roppo and commanders, it makes NO SENSE for the Strawhats to defeat the Beast Pirates if Page One can get up from an attack of this caliber from a Yonko.

It Makes no sense for Page One to Get up period....... And its also more Big Mom disrespect quite honestly.



People have tried to excuse this by saying Law tanked Thunder Bagua......... We dont know wtf happened in this panel. Oda introduced a new blocking ability for law in this same chapter.... Its likely Law used this ability but still took damage as shown before.



This Attack from an Angry Yonko Big Mom should be more than enough to take Page One out for the rest of the arc....... This should be the first major Defeat of the Beast pirates.





But What do you guys think? Is it ok for Page One to come back after this? Does it make sense? Is Big Mom being disrespected if he does get back up and fight again?
 
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Seth

𝐊𝐨𝐤𝐮𝐭𝐨 𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐢
#3
In the recent chapter we see Big Mom a Yonko Hit Page One infusing Armament Haki and Conquerors Haki.
I've seen many are say Page One is going to recover from this and fight again....... were going to talk about why this is problematic

So lets start with this.......

Kaido is one of if not the most IF NOT THE MOST durable individual in the one piece verse.........

Before Luffys training We saw Gear 4 Luffy attack Kaido multiple times and Luffy couldn't hurt Kaido.

Kaido then proceeds to use Thunder Bagua, (which we now know was infused with both conquerors haki and armament haki) and One shots Luffy instantly..........



We find out in chapter 1010, the thing luffy was trying to learn in udon to bypass Kaidos Scales was infusing conquerors haki with his armament haki. This has allowed Luffy to go blow for blow with Kaido IN BASE and is likely the key to defeating Kaido. So the Ancient Zoan durability Excuse does not apply here. Kaido is more durable than the Ancient Zoans by a MILE from what the story has shown.........


We know Gear 3 Elephant Gun is enough to Draw blood from Page One.... and Sanjis regular kicks in the suit could make him scream.

With this information its safe to say the Gear 4 Luffy who couldn't hurt Kaido earlier in the arc would have destroyed Page One most likely.


We saw Big Mom subdue Queen a (Yonko Commander much stronger than Page One) in just about 2 basic attacks. 2 Basic Attacks from Big Mom had Queen Shook Queen and took him out of his dinosaur form. She drew blood from just slamming him.......


Big Mom is Yonko who used Conquerors Haki+ Armament haki hardening on Page One a Tobi Roppo who people preach is the weakest of the Tobi Roppo........far below a Commander.

Page One getting up from this attack implies it would require something as strong as Conquerors Haki+Armament haki to defeat an Anicent Zoan. Unless Oda intends to give Conquerors Haki attacks to the Strawhats and other characters downstairs who are fighting tobi roppo and commanders, it makes NO SENSE for the Strawhats to defeat the Beast Pirates if Page One can get up from an attack of this caliber from a Yonko.

It Makes no sense for Page One to Get up period....... And its also more Big Mom disrespect quite honestly.



People have tried to excuse this by saying Law tanked Thunder Bagua......... We dont know wtf happened in this panel. Oda introduced a new blocking ability for law in this same chapter.... Its likely Law used this ability but still took damage as shown before.



This Attack from an Angry Yonko Big Mom should be more than enough to take Page One out of the arc....... This should be the first major Defeat of the Beast pirates.





But What do you guys think? Is it ok for Page One to come back after this? Does it make sense? Is Big Mom being disrespected if he does get back up and fight again?
Don't bother to care if he stands up after that.

Oda is not serious with his writing anymore.
 
#4
Opponents, it's just that Zoans recover faster, that's all
This isn't special to zoans only, what you describe is a feature of awakened zoans not normal forms. More durable yes but there are limits to that, they aren't a phoenix where they can just heal.

Apoo doesn't have a zoan yet we all thought he would be down after that shaded out Zoro attack but nope fat from it. Doesn't mean now suddenly his df grants him fast recovery.
 
#5
This isn't special to zoans only, what you describe is a feature of awakened zoans not normal forms. More durable yes but there are limits to that, they aren't a phoenix where they can just heal.

Apoo doesn't have a zoan yet we all thought he would be down after that shaded out Zoro attack but nope fat from it. Doesn't mean now suddenly his df grants him fast recovery.
Did i say Non-Zoans can't recover?
 
#9
Do you saw that Page one had just little blood from his mouth after that attack from bigmom?It makes no sense why he wont come back after that hit.
The anciaent zoans are just so durable, you guys just downplay luffy and sanji because page one took relatively low damage from those 2.
This is the power creep at play, the current characters are adapting to the current power system, it happened already with zoro and trafalgar, kid, killer on the roof. Some of them entered in this duel with no feats(killer/kid), and ended up with solid ones. Heck trafalgar went from losing to doffys thereads, to blocking acoc.
Page one is just adjusting to the current power levels . I wont be surprised if usopp takes an acoc hit in the next chapters, and survives.
:kayneshrug:This is the meta, eventually everyone will start to abuse it.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#10
Y’all, we are talking about an ability that only seems to be used by Yonko and the Pirate King...even if P1 is an Ancient Zoan, it would be ridiculous for one of the strongest moves we’ve seen so far to not do any damage to a veteran-level fighter. I’m not a fuckin’ powerscaler, and even I know that him getting up without reeling or vomiting blood is a cop out of the highest caliber :kayneshrug:
 
#14
It would make Big Mom look better if Page One stays down but if he gets up a bit later with a significant injury then I'll accept it. The Scabbards got up after getting some healing, Page One's known for his resilience and recovery abilities. That's his thing. Queen got up within minutes of Big Mom's hits, Page One being down for chapters then getting up only to be finished off isn't the worst thing that could happen so long as it's made clear Big Mom's hit played a part. I just want to see Usopp to finish the guy off but yeah, Big Mom putting him down for the rest of the raid would be the best for her in this situation.
 
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