Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1017 Spoilers Discussion
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You and your toxic side are just mad cause ZKK was debunked come to me when you've become Finalalpha @Finalbeta
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Ohhh so you are a member of staff and have the rights and ownership and control of one piece right? Or do you have insane real life future sight? No? Then you have the ability to manipulate reality?
If you don't any of those things welll hmmm...........?
Can you read odas mind in reference to what he would like to include or not include in his story? No.
Ok then do you have manga panels proving your case to atleast make a headcanon?No?
If not then you bullshitting
If you don't any of those things welll hmmm...........?
Can you read odas mind in reference to what he would like to include or not include in his story? No.
Ok then do you have manga panels proving your case to atleast make a headcanon?No?
If not then you bullshitting
Big difference between receiving a Straw Hat as inspiration from a pirate who ended up being important (whether he was meant to be so important when first introduced is up to debate) and receiving literally everything that makes him the chosen one.
The point here is that, after all of this, how can't Luffy be the Pirate King and Joy Boy. He has everything and more. How do we even suspend our disbelief as he isn't just born to become big but has everything on his side (what a wide world, yeah...) to the point any other contender feels like a joke.
Jinbe was imprisoned in order to push him to reconsider his choice and regain him as an asset; they were expecting to release him as soon as he changed his idea. With Who's Who they decided to waste their biggest CP9 prodigy, a character that would have been praised by veteran vice-admirals considering the treatment Lucci received, because he lost "a fruit" to "the ENEMY PIRATE SHIP". Unless we're talking about some Ope Ope level shit here, I fail to see the Government taking such turn.
And look at how things ended for Lucci "being chased by wg" and "begging" for his life: member of CP0.
If we look at this from a reader perspective it's obvious that Luffy is going to be the Pirate King and whatever he tries to do because, well, he's the main character. The problem here is what I've mentioned before: how can Luffy, from in-story, NOT be the chosen one if everything special converges in him. Imagine you want to become Pirate King yet have to face a guy who was inspired by an emperor, family of the elite in the world, wears a Straw Hat that is obviously going to represent some huge thing and belonged to Roger, has every power you can think of and now even his fruit may be very important.
There's no point at making any effort anymore, and this should get to the readers as, while the suspension of disbelief can work if we focus only on Luffy being the main character and logically bound to success as this is his story, the tables consistently turn more and more into Luffy being the chosen one; which is a big difference, because one thing is "Luffy is the main character because we are telling his story as he eventually succeeded (and who cares about those who lost)" but another one is "Luffy is the chosen one and he's bound to succeed no matter what".
The first way is justifying his protagonism by appealing to the conclusion of his efforts, so logically we're telling the interesting story of the winner of this race; but the second way is justifying his protagonism by appealing to his messianic premise, and that's exactly where things begin to disbalance and the story to fall apart.
The point here is that, after all of this, how can't Luffy be the Pirate King and Joy Boy. He has everything and more. How do we even suspend our disbelief as he isn't just born to become big but has everything on his side (what a wide world, yeah...) to the point any other contender feels like a joke.
Jinbe was imprisoned in order to push him to reconsider his choice and regain him as an asset; they were expecting to release him as soon as he changed his idea. With Who's Who they decided to waste their biggest CP9 prodigy, a character that would have been praised by veteran vice-admirals considering the treatment Lucci received, because he lost "a fruit" to "the ENEMY PIRATE SHIP". Unless we're talking about some Ope Ope level shit here, I fail to see the Government taking such turn.
And look at how things ended for Lucci "being chased by wg" and "begging" for his life: member of CP0.
If we look at this from a reader perspective it's obvious that Luffy is going to be the Pirate King and whatever he tries to do because, well, he's the main character. The problem here is what I've mentioned before: how can Luffy, from in-story, NOT be the chosen one if everything special converges in him. Imagine you want to become Pirate King yet have to face a guy who was inspired by an emperor, family of the elite in the world, wears a Straw Hat that is obviously going to represent some huge thing and belonged to Roger, has every power you can think of and now even his fruit may be very important.
There's no point at making any effort anymore, and this should get to the readers as, while the suspension of disbelief can work if we focus only on Luffy being the main character and logically bound to success as this is his story, the tables consistently turn more and more into Luffy being the chosen one; which is a big difference, because one thing is "Luffy is the main character because we are telling his story as he eventually succeeded (and who cares about those who lost)" but another one is "Luffy is the chosen one and he's bound to succeed no matter what".
The first way is justifying his protagonism by appealing to the conclusion of his efforts, so logically we're telling the interesting story of the winner of this race; but the second way is justifying his protagonism by appealing to his messianic premise, and that's exactly where things begin to disbalance and the story to fall apart.
I wonder how far we'll get with it in Wano. we know jack shit but the seed of a story... I don't know what to say about the complaints. All we do know: that legendary pirate Shanks stole a treasure deliberately. Not so contrived.
To the "imagine facing a guy who..." The characters aren't plot savvy. You have to step into it for it to make sense, like any story. They don't know about the hat or the fruit or whatever. Kaido just kicked his ass. You're staying at the reader level here.
To the "imagine facing a guy who..." The characters aren't plot savvy. You have to step into it for it to make sense, like any story. They don't know about the hat or the fruit or whatever. Kaido just kicked his ass. You're staying at the reader level here.
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I am not comparing Marco to BM. Marco trash lol 😆. I am trying to tell you Marco hits wasn't that affective. Which is why King and Queen look like they hasn't been in a fight. Marco did the same thing in the war, go around kicking people and them having barley any damage. Jozu did more damage then he did lol. They are weak or it would have left more lasting damage or longer to heal. Chopper can make queen bleed yet Chopper knows its not significant enough for a Zoan like queen. Its a joke which is why he said he toying with him.
Luffy is:a member of the D clan(sworn enemies of celestial dragons),son of world's most wanted man Dragon,Grandson of marine legend Garp,sworn brother of Ace(pk's son),sworn brother of Sabo(dragon's right hand),is a Friend of Shanks who was an apprentice of Roger,wears Roger's hat,got trained by legend Rayleight...so why are you so mad about gomu gomu being especial?Oda has been wanking Luffy since chapter 1!It is a shounnen thing for main characters be special in some way!Luffy is destined to be Joyboy be he still has to work hard and overcome challenges,he literally has extreme fights every arc!I like Oda's approach!
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