[FNZ] Role Madness [Season 2] Round 11 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Diamond is Unbreakable

[Hayumi]

The thing about dyna’s “claiming” is that for both times he soft claimed it was because:
1. Day one he was finally getting some real pressure and then brought up some random flavor theory shit that confused most of us and didn’t mean shit.
2. Soft claims some kind of stealing action literally only when @Zara brings up stealing as a possibility of wha it could have meant when referring to an ability, and literally only says that to throw sus on her.

Granted, if Zara somehow ends up not being town then that would make sense but I’m not seeing that happening.

 

[Lindltaylor]

Whats wrong with a pressure vote until I see what Tobi has to say for himself?

Come on, Zara. These posts really don't look like you're applying pressure at all.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

i investigated tobi and the ability Mel sent me clearly belongs to kira

town mvp lets gooooooo baby!

I understand why people are paranoid. But ask yourselves this, has Tobi even been playing as town this game?

Especially this last one here ^ This almost looks like you're pushing an agenda or narrative to make your results more believable.

 

[Hayumi]

Anything and everything I’ve “soft” or just flat out openly hinted have been way more substantial then anything Dyna’s said and for a supposed town who’s stubbornly pushed and sussed me for shit that actually doesn’t make that much sense you would think he’ll be more town leaning one me. ESPECIALLY now that all the people I was accused of protecting have flipped town .

 

[Zara]

Come on, Zara. These posts really don't look like you're applying pressure at all.



Especially this last one here ^ This almost looks like you're pushing an agenda or narrative to make your results more believable.

Not sure how that's pushing an agenda bro, Tobi has not been playing like a townie this game. Do you disagree?

 

[Dr_Professor83]

I don’t think it’s been mentioned much. But there’s a good chance someone was culted last night. This cult stuff feels hard to deal with because it makes ISO’ing someone a lot harder.

But the Zara, Dyna, Tobi, T-Pien stuff is way more important to sort out rn.

 

[Hayumi]

woof woof

What about me were you talking about?



woof woof

Dyna is one of those players I have been flip flopping my read on. Some of his takes I didn't like on day 1 and on day 2 I thought he looked a bit better thinking he could be town with some takes I disagree on. I didn't like when he wanted to focus on the miller claims on day 1 and I also saw this strange he said something along the lines of asking for a claim and it should be a flavor claim. Once when there was a wagon on Dyna he softed his role and that doesn't help the players who are not familiar with the theme because sometimes scum can also pretend to fake a soft claim.

That doesn’t acknowledge what I’m saying about me myself and I tho. I’m pointing out the flaws in the very same statements/posts from Dyna that you basically said made you sus me..?

 

[Lindltaylor]

The thing about dyna’s “claiming” is that for both times he soft claimed it was because:
1. Day one he was finally getting some real pressure and then brought up some random flavor theory shit that confused most of us and didn’t mean shit.
2. Soft claims some kind of stealing action literally only when @Zara brings up stealing as a possibility of wha it could have meant when referring to an ability, and literally only says that to throw sus on her.

Granted, if Zara somehow ends up not being town then that would make sense but I’m not seeing that happening.

A claim is a townie's strongest defense. Most players default into early claiming either because they're scum or townies being tunneled unnaturally.

The one point that holds in Dyna's favor is that he didn't claim to get the pressure off him. He claimed to put the pressure on someone else i. e Fuji, whom he thought had slipped. It's a clear difference here and the latter is a more townie move. So Dyna gets a few townie points for me. However, I'm still keeping an eye on him.

Point number 2 is him hard claiming completely. I don't think he soft claimed anything. But yeah, I'm trying to not make a repeat of last day phase again and lay out all the information first.

 

[Destroya]

Could somebody Iso Dyna and see if I'm correct?

I remember him saying something about his ability being able to steal other abilities. I hope I'm not misremembering.

@DynaMight correct me if I'm wrong.

Zara was throwing out all of these abilities and said something about stealing an ability. Dyna then came in and accused Zara of investing him and then stealing his abilities and his claim. I think that's how it went down.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

Zara was throwing out all of these abilities and said something about stealing an ability. Dyna then came in and accused Zara of investing him and then stealing his abilities and his claim. I think that's how it went down.

I believe this to be accurate.

 

[Juliet]

I was saying it didn’t really like a lot of your previous suspicion reads and the reasons behind them besides Tobi. I was saying you’re a wait and see right now.

woof woof

Same thing can be said about you. In the last 24 hours on day 1 I started to lean town on Mango and I saw you voted Mango. You were also scum reading Cal and I didn't understand the scum read on Cal since I had him on null.

 

[Hayumi]

A claim is a townie's strongest defense. Most players default into early claiming either because they're scum or townies being tunneled unnaturally.

The one point that holds in Dyna's favor is that he didn't claim to get the pressure off him. He claimed to put the pressure on someone else i. e Fuji, whom he thought had slipped. It's a clear difference here and the latter is a more townie move. So Dyna gets a few townie points for me. However, I'm still keeping an eye on him.

Point number 2 is him hard claiming completely. I don't think he soft claimed anything. But yeah, I'm trying to not make a repeat of last day phase again and lay out all the information first.

It was during when he was being pressured the hardest tho. And it’s essentially the same exact things as point 2 except it wasn’t a flat out claim. Both points still stand. If he’s town he needs to get his head out his ass. Because again, none of his cases on me make shit sense. It’s repeating the same points and all boils down to me flip flopping around like any normal town even tho again, all those people flipped town so how tf was I defending a certain person?

 

[Lindltaylor]

Not sure how that's pushing an agenda bro, Tobi has not been playing like a townie this game. Do you disagree?

Zara, if you wanted to put pressure on Tobi and had information on him. You should have made Tobi full claim. After that you match what you got against what he said and then conclude that he's lying. That's how ability invests are usually handled.

You coming out with the ability name already and then saying you're putting pressure on Tobi really doesn't bode well.

But let us test this out anyway. @Tobi it's time to full claim - flavor, abilities and alignment.

 

[Hayumi]

I think you know that I'm down for a Dyna lynch. However, what do you think about Zara's invest on Tobi?

If Zara’s being serious, which it sounds like they are imo obviously I’d want to trust it. But whether the information is accurate or not still seems to be up in the air. It could have been Dyna didn’t do anything? If T Pein’s telling the truth about redirecting him to Zara. But why wouldn’t he? And if he did do something, why would Zara lie about the result? Why would T Pein make that up? Who is he trying to distract from? My head hurts.

 

[T-Pein™]

I want you to tell me clearly, how many abilities did you have at the beginning? Just the redirect? Or more?

just one and its gone,

 

[Zara]

Zara, if you wanted to put pressure on Tobi and had information on him. You should have made Tobi full claim. After that you match what you got against what he said and then conclude that he's lying. That's how ability invests are usually handled.

You coming out with the ability name already and then saying you're putting pressure on Tobi really doesn't bode well.

But let us test this out anyway. @Tobi it's time to full claim - flavor, abilities and alignment.

multiple people were expecting to hear my results at the start of the phase, i got tagged by like three people bro



damned if i reveal my results, damned if i dont reveal my results

 

[Dr_Professor83]

woof woof

Same thing can be said about you. In the last 24 hours on day 1 I started to lean town on Mango and I saw you voted Mango. You were also scum reading Cal and I didn't understand the scum read on Cal since I had him on null.

I didn’t like Cal because of the way he came at me with that Mafia claim question, nor how he wouldn’t answer me, nor how he tried so hard to downplay any hesitation toward claiming consequences. He also was playing way differently than last game when he was Town. But on hindsight I think maybe he was trying to appear a little suspicious because it benefited his role.

As far as Mango, I didn’t feel good about that vote but they were almost all fluff and enough people said they could behave that was as Scum that I felt better about their vote than Ryu’s who was acting exactly like his town self last game.

 

[T-Pein™]

Dyna said that he could steal abilities as one of his actives

possible that he stole my ability?

 

[Hayumi]

Zara was throwing out all of these abilities and said something about stealing an ability. Dyna then came in and accused Zara of investing him and then stealing his abilities and his claim. I think that's how it went down.

To be specific, I’m pretty sure they were throwing out abilities that they thought I was hinting at day 1, since Dyna questioned why Zara would protect themselves when I hinted a protect. But Zara said they took it as just an ability protect that could prevent “roleblocks, crushes, ability steals”, ect. Then that’s when Dyna felt like Zara invested him. Which is honestly kind of paranoid and random.

 

[Juliet]

Come on, Zara. These posts really don't look like you're applying pressure at all.



Especially this last one here ^ This almost looks like you're pushing an agenda or narrative to make your results more believable.

woof woof

What do you think of Tobi? He has been one of the players I have been leaning scum on. Are you suspecting Zara is framing Tobi?

 

[Zara]

To be specific, I’m pretty sure they were throwing out abilities that they thought I was hinting at day 1, since Dyna questioned why Zara would protect themselves when I hinted a protect. But Zara said they took it as just an ability protect that could prevent “roleblocks, crushes, ability steals”, ect. Then that’s when Dyna felt like Zara invested him. Which is honestly kind of paranoid and random.

yeah this sums up exactly what happened

dyna revealed for no reason