[FNZ] Salem of Lies Round 2 - Town of Salem Test Take 2

[Emil]

I'm truncatingUsopp's replies, as I don't feel like repeating myself or making my posts redundant.
I have not said anything of the sort. A null read can mean anything, from "this person's play is full of NAI posts" to "this person doesn't have enough posts" to "I don't know how to read this player". A read that goes out of its way to say "I think this is townie behaviour, but might be from scum too" is redundant and contributes nothing, while giving the appearance of contributing something.

its getting pretty annoying to repeat the same thing because you refuse to read and admit your entire case is wacky and attacking someone who made an empty post while mine was not empty, it was supported and backed upon. period. its a townie PoV to give thoughts throughout the game and say if u r worried or not someone might be changing his play style. you may not do that cuz u love text walls, but everyone else does it.

That's... kinda the problem, lol.

how so??? like i literally fail to see it because like i said again and again it was not an empty post. it was build up upon LITERALLY 5 minutes after its been post. like right next page ratchet. im sure u can do better than that.

Again, you telling me it is Town!Usopp doesn't really mean what you think it means to me, because when I see you aware of this, I must then consider that you're capable of repeating this as scum.

yea sure i can repeat is as scum, but why would i even psot it as scum to begin with? why even town clear fuji??? like what do i gain from that as scum? u have to dig deeper on all of that and again read the rest of my posts then tell me why the heck would scum usopp even do that?? like what purpose does it even serve other than bring my demise, throw the game for my faction, and town clear fuji for free making his results and everything he say believable

This is untrue, and I have demonstrated why it is untrue over and over again by this point.
So let me get this straight. You go through each scenario, point by point, and try (but ultimately fail, in my opinion) to dismantle them, but then you come to this one and just... give up? Why would you do this, especially when you alledgedly think I'm scum?

this is literally a joke scenario and u posting it is practically an insult to our scum play
i mainly think ur non town from that weird "shade" you threw at me when everyone was voting me. why dont u read first then i'll answer everything because im talking to an uneducated wall rn so read first pls

 

[Flower]

Can we please get a wagon on somebody we can all agree on now?

 

[Lindltaylor]

hes only voted on me and never bothered explaining, and tried hard to force me to claim
thats auto scum in my book. hes not looked at any direction other than mine so its tunnel as well

He's actually looked at other directions than yours. When I iso'd him, here:

I don't see it either. I ISO'd him and he has 27 posts. He scum read Ekko, Fuji and Drago as I recall. Says Ekko's reply to him could have been better. Then he suspected Fuji as being scum since his Exe play was a bit too obvious apparently. Then he said he found Drago's posts a bit scummy.

His meta is definitely different than in favs. I think the reason they suspect him is because he really hasn't given proper reasons for his suspects. He also mentioned that he would like Ekko to claim after a few votes on him and then proceed to Light.

I admit he's jumping from suspects and his weird asks for claims have pinged me. But I don't know why he would act that way as scum imo.

Tbh he's jumped from player to player pretty often and maintains his read of scum players. He town locked T-pein pretty early, though.

So, I mean we can suspect him for jumping from player to player and then hounding others for claims. But other than that, there's not much else from him. If he's scum, it seems his play fell flat in trying to hide himself.

 

[krogothwolf]

I mean I don't know how you came away with this, Kro.

Right now I don't see either one of you as exactly scum to be honest. I feel like its a lot of going back and forth but to me neither one of you is currently coming of a bad in the exchange. Maybe I'm wrong as I've only read a bit of your communications to each other but there's no smoking gun or slip or anything I notice that raises any red flags between the two of you.

I don't see it either. I ISO'd him and he has 27 posts. He scum read Ekko, Fuji and Drago as I recall. Says Ekko's reply to him could have been better. Then he suspected Fuji as being scum since his Exe play was a bit too obvious apparently. Then he said he found Drago's posts a bit scummy.

His meta is definitely different than in favs. I think the reason they suspect him is because he really hasn't given proper reasons for his suspects. He also mentioned that he would like Ekko to claim after a few votes on him and then proceed to Light.

I admit he's jumping from suspects and his weird asks for claims have pinged me. But I don't know why he would act that way as scum imo.


Currently, I think Ratchet is town. Although I think he may have to catch up with the thread to give us his thoughts on other players but his focus on Usopp looks very genuine to me. Especially his post about different cases where Usopp is scum/town and Fuji is scum/town. I'd give that a town read for now.


Drago is saying Odd is scum and he has yet to give this reason as of my writing.

Al is being scum read by Ekko and me to some extent since I found him tunneling Ekko almost all day a bit much. However, Ekko apparently town reads melon now and she's not really considered for a lynch right now by others.

Could drago just be paranoid on Odd?

Also Isn't it a bit cliche to read ScumAl as scum? :D Its almost as tropy as scum flower.

 

[Dragomir]

I am on page 43 right now. My read on Usopp is town.


Usopp's worst posts to me are these two where he deflected to someone else while responding to suspicion on him. Deflections are inherently suspicious and a bad thing to do. But I will refrain from suspecting Usopp just for this due to how commonly deflections are done by townies. It's naturally suspicious but not alignment indicative.

This post below from Usopp is very good.

I understand his logic in here perfectly and it makes a lot of sense. This leads me to my reason for town reading Usopp. He is town for his consistent townie progression. He has constantly defended himself and explained everything thrown at him logically in a way that would make sense for a townie to do. Case in point, Mel rescinded her scum read on Usopp after revising him, stating that he's been consistent. On the topic of Usopp throwing out town reads like candy. That's not suspicious for him to do. He's done it as town all the time and truth be told, never as scum. I know I said earlier that he can easily replicate that as scum, but fuck it, I'ma add it to the reasons for why he's town. The way he's playing the game bar for bar matches town Usopp.

Another reason why he's town is how he's defended himself. He was composed at the start, staying cool and collected, responding constructively to everyone who questioned him. He was not flustered. Then he slowly became more frustrating, specifically at Flower and Al as he believed they were coming at him with some bullshit. I agree with that(will explain below). Usopp's defense strikes me more as town defense than a scum defense.

Overall, the reasons to suspect Usopp, to be frank, suck. His "slips" are nonsense. I already explained why Flower's wasn't actually a slip. And really to me, Flower is just coming across as spiteful towards Usopp for him being happy about lynching a town Flower(which is a boost in her favor. Makes me town read her more, but it still wasn't a slip). Al's slip, I don't really understand. I get what Usopp was trying to say. If he, me, and Xlaw are scum but not together then logically, at least 2 of us are indies. What Usopp is saying is that none of us can be buddies together, ergo at least two of us have gotta be indies. That's the logic.

So yeah, Usopp is town. I would also like to really talk about somebody: Odd. That man is yikes all-around. I'll talk about him in a later post after I catch up.

@Ekkologix @LANJI CUCKSMOKE you both had asked me about thoughts on Usopp. Here they are.

 

[Emil]

im kinda burned the fk out imma go eat cya'll later

 

[Emil]

@Ekkologix @LANJI CUCKSMOKE you both had asked me about thoughts on Usopp. Here they are.

yea fk usopp, im glad i asked for thoughts about him

 

[Dragomir]

Could drago just be paranoid on Odd?

I'm not. I have reasoning for it. Just give me a moment to a catch up and I will explain them. I'm on page 54 right now.

 

[Dragomir]

Drago. Had plenty of interactions with various players. One thing I didn't like is his excuse about the other game.

What other game am I playing?

 

[Emil]

on another note

ayaka sux @Ratchet

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

@Dragomir pls lemme know what u think after ur done reading

@LANJI CUCKSMOKE i want ur thoughts as well

are you talking about something specific here
thoughts on?

 

[Flower]

My vote stays on Law, then.

 

[Dragomir]

Among all of these Text walls, why was Drago's so verbose about Ekko's town read, though? Don't think it needed so many words imo.

I had a lot on my mind about Usopp and I wanted to get them out at once.

 

[Lindltaylor]

No, he wasn't. There's a big difference between tunneling and applying pressure. What Al did was the latter. He thought he caught Usopp slipping and proceeded to question and prod him over it. That's applying pressure. Tunneling would be continuously hounding Usopp for the same thing for several day phases with no progression of reads. That is tunneling and that is suspicious. Undeveloped reads are unnatural and forced. It's what scum do when they're struggling with their fake reads so they latch on to reads from previous day phases.

When players say someone is tunneling, most of the time, that player is just applying pressure.

So tunneling is applying consistent pressure on a single player for a long duration. Where did the "several phases" come from? All it depends on is how long AL remained convinced by his own argument beyond a decent proportion of time. There really is no standard measure for the classification to change from pressure to tunnel vision.

You wanna be town core, Linda?

Would I get to choose? It depends on the read others give me to enter it. However, I'll scum hunt without town pools anyway. I never listened to anyone to lead anyone either. Town pools aren't for me.

 

[Yuelyn]

Vote lynch Xlaw

The past couple of pages are full of text walls. I really don't have the energy to read those.
Hot take: Flowa vs Usopp was T vs T. Though I usually read them wrong, but imma go with this.

Also why are we voting Odd? He barely said anything except for asking for claims.

 

[Dragomir]

So tunneling is applying consistent pressure on a single player for a long duration. Where did the "several phases" come from? All it depends on is how long AL remained convinced by his own argument beyond a decent proportion of time. There really is no standard measure for the classification to change from pressure to tunnel vision.

Long duration, several phases, same difference, dude. My point still stands. Tunneling only really occurs when someone has undeveloped reads and is trying to force the same scum read from a while ago. Al wasn't tunneling. He was only applying pressure. Whether or not he applied it for 5 mins or 30 mins, he was only applying pressure. You could hardly call what he did tunneling.

Would I get to choose? It depends on the read others give me to enter it. However, I'll scum hunt without town pools anyway. I never listened to anyone to lead anyone either. Town pools aren't for me.

Okay lol.

 

[Yuelyn]

Where are the rest? @krogothwolf @Juliet @Light D Lamperouge @T-Pein™ @Xlaw @Wris

I don't really do much on D1 since there is no night info. I like to work with info and stuff. But I did say some things this phase. >_>

 

[Fujishiro]

Ratchet and Usopp writting longer wall of texts than a PHD Thesis.

 

[krogothwolf]

Ratchet and Usopp writting longer wall of texts than a PHD Thesis.

We don't got time for that shit.

 

[Flower]

We don't got time for that shit.

Thoughts on Xlaw?