[FNZ] Role Madness [Season 2] Round 12 - Genshin Impact

Is Flower always scum?

  • A) Yes

    Votes: 22 66.7%
  • B) Option A

    Votes: 11 33.3%

  • Total voters
    33
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Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
This is multiball. You never seen two scum factions with a kill before?
Are you trying to insult me now? I've seen setups with several scum factions, each with a dedicated kill. I've seen Cults with a kill. But Cults that recruit in the Day, inherit the recruit once the leader dies, and is able to kill? I would have to think back hard on only the most scum-sided of setups I've played to find one like that. Like, if it's just a one-shot kill, then this will soon be apparent. But you assuming it is or that Cult gained the ability to kill because "reasons" is a huge stretch given the information on the table right now.
 
Fruitji/Dyna probably wasn’t the D1 convert by the parameters we set for suspects. Fruitji and Me tried to get a last minute Xlaw lynch going D1, meaning Fruitji would have had to backtrack from that if culted. Combine that we how much heat he generated D1 and he was probably a bad option.
 
Are you trying to insult me now? I've seen setups with several scum factions, each with a dedicated kill. I've seen Cults with a kill. But Cults that recruit in the Day, inherit the recruit once the leader dies, and is able to kill? I would have to think back hard on only the most scum-sided of setups I've played to find one like that. Like, if it's just a one-shot kill, then this will soon be apparent. But you assuming it is or that Cult gained the ability to kill because "reasons" is a huge stretch given the information on the table right now.
So you're insulted when I ask if you've ever seen multiple factions with a kill and question your great Mafia knowledge, including Cults with kills, but call my idea of this Cult having a kill hog wash because apparently it's too much. Makes sense.

What are your reasons Wolf team is still alive besides the fact that there was a kill.
 
Are you trying to insult me now? I've seen setups with several scum factions, each with a dedicated kill. I've seen Cults with a kill. But Cults that recruit in the Day, inherit the recruit once the leader dies, and is able to kill? I would have to think back hard on only the most scum-sided of setups I've played to find one like that. Like, if it's just a one-shot kill, then this will soon be apparent. But you assuming it is or that Cult gained the ability to kill because "reasons" is a huge stretch given the information on the table right now.
If we keep getting conversions and kills then I’ll seriously start considering a 4th Wolf as broken as it would be.
 
I mean, Ratchet literally thinks Cult doesn't have a kill so that when Town 'actually' eliminate the Wolf team, we just have to sit here and take Day conversions from Cult without having anyway to stop it.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
If you both could behave like adults that would be much appreciated
I'm sorry, but I resent this. Has there been any one of my posts you felt was unpleasant or unbecoming? I think I've been perfectly civil and kept everything within the bounds of the game. I consider X a friend, so.... is there an issue here?
The whole game, dude. You're not Town and you're overcompensating hard for it.
You can't just tell me I'm emotional without substantiating it. On the contrary, I think I'm mostly detached emotionally so far.
@Ratchet what's ur opinion on Melo, I think you've had some time to chat or was s/he as inactive in Mason chat as here?
Mel has been mostly inactive, we've had a slight talk but it was mostly just me understanding what information is there. As for reads, I'd lean Town, but by no means would I say I'm certain on that. I could see her having been recruited, too.
 
If we keep getting conversions and kills then I’ll seriously start considering a 4th Wolf as broken as it would be.
We're literally fucking sitting ducks if Cult can keep Day converting and that's how they get their numbers in order to achieve their wincon. If Town can't really stop Day conversions, how does Cult not win with their wincon that they have?
 
I'm sorry, but I resent this. Has there been any one of my posts you felt was unpleasant or unbecoming? I think I've been perfectly civil and kept everything within the bounds of the game. I consider X a friend, so.... is there an issue here?
You can't just tell me I'm emotional without substantiating it. On the contrary, I think I'm mostly detached emotionally so far.
Mel has been mostly inactive, we've had a slight talk but it was mostly just me understanding what information is there. As for reads, I'd lean Town, but by no means would I say I'm certain on that. I could see her having been recruited, too.
I did not mean to insult either of you, I would simply appreciate it if we could work together here^^
 
I'm sorry, but I resent this. Has there been any one of my posts you felt was unpleasant or unbecoming? I think I've been perfectly civil and kept everything within the bounds of the game. I consider X a friend, so.... is there an issue here?
You can't just tell me I'm emotional without substantiating it. On the contrary, I think I'm mostly detached emotionally so far.
Mel has been mostly inactive, we've had a slight talk but it was mostly just me understanding what information is there. As for reads, I'd lean Town, but by no means would I say I'm certain on that. I could see her having been recruited, too.
Yeah Ratchet and I are homies here. He just subbed in after Drago was Culted. Would have been going after Drago here if he was still this slot. I just don't buy Ratchet's bull shit here is all. So I'm purposely being short because I think he's scum. That's all there is to it, really.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
So you're insulted when I ask if you've ever seen multiple factions with a kill and question your great Mafia knowledge, including Cults with kills, but call my idea of this Cult having a kill hog wash because apparently it's too much. Makes sense.

What are your reasons Wolf team is still alive besides the fact that there was a kill.
I'm insulted because you know I've seen games with multiple scum factions with their own kills, you've played several games I've hosted that have featured multiple scum factions with their own kills, and your patronisation was unnecessary as a result. I call your argument that a fourth Mafia member is too much, but a Cult being able to kill and recruit is fine, hogwash, because in my view the latter is FAR stronger than the former.

As for the kills, I mean, the fact I role blocked Melkor Night 4 and there were still 3 kills, with role block immune scum already dead? Outside of kills, nothing, but from my perspective two nights in a row have had extra kills that shouldn't have happened if Melkor was the last scum player.
 
but looking at Rej's role, doesn't that seem unlikely?
Flavor wise yeah it’s weird. But like why the hell would mafia start with 3 members and be able to cult someone when we have a day cult, a super SK, and a hostile indie? That’s just too much. Also Rej would have had to have been converted early because they lied for LM on D2. Rej was suspected and their role wasn’t outed at all yet so they’d have been a weird D1 mafia convert.
 
So, a few things:

Hosts confirmed to me that if a faction is eliminated, this will not be confirmed. Due to the presence of a kill, I'm guessing the Mafia are not eliminated, but if this came from Town it should probably be claimed at this point.

I have been Poisoned, again. This time around, it is a 48-hour Poisoning, as opposed to a 24-hour one, meaning I have the next two cycles before I succumb to death's sweet embrace. Heals will be appreciated.

It's time to get to brass tacks:

@ConquistadoR
@T-Pein™
@QueenEmilia

All three of you should claim your character at this point. Not your role. Let me be clear - this is not because you're otherwise scum-read. We need to unravel flavour here, because as it stands, we have a scum featuring Fatui Harbingers and... Jean? It doesn't quite add up, as anyone with flavour knowledge will confirm. Your three flavour claims may help piece this together, because right now the possibilities in play are that Mafia has a recruiting ability, and recruited Jean, Jean being scum was a fake writeup, or that the flavour of this game is taking a very liberal spin on the characters. There may be more possibilities that I haven't yet thought of. Please play ball here, I think I speak for everyone when I say I'd rather not be forced to re-evaluate the whole game state because a few players won't claim their character when it's beneficial to do so. If you have any concerns about doing so, please raise them, because I believe I can address most if not all of them. Thank you ^_^
so how are you gonna figure out by claims if jean being mafia doesnt add up? there could very well be fake claims or recruits with town roles according to your theory.
 

Adam 🍎

Pretty Boy
Lets stop arguing and turning on each other so much because thats what scum wants.

Cult culting durinf the day away from eyes of watchers and trackers concludes that their cult number should be limited or that they turn vanilla.

Game needs checks and balances. Cult IMO has at most 3 to 4.members.

Arguing about whp is who accusing left and right doesnt help us at all.

We have one shot LD and we must make use of it. Watcher on me, protect on Ratchet to heal him of poison.
 

Adam 🍎

Pretty Boy
If we presume mafia has last member, with cult having 3-4 members --- we still outnumber them by 2 together.

If cult is alone then even better. Our position isnt that bad to drop all hope.

So chill the fuck out and stop going on each other throats and play into scums favour
 
Lets stop arguing and turning on each other so much because thats what scum wants.

Cult culting durinf the day away from eyes of watchers and trackers concludes that their cult number should be limited or that they turn vanilla.

Game needs checks and balances. Cult IMO has at most 3 to 4.members.

Arguing about whp is who accusing left and right doesnt help us at all.

We have one shot LD and we must make use of it. Watcher on me, protect on Ratchet to heal him of poison.
my protect can't heal him I'm afraid, do we even still have a heal left?
 
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