Best Deuteragonist Tournament Finals
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Of course I still give L his props. He did something incredible. Not denying that both had advantages over each other, and L had quite a lot as well, but in the end he got bested. As I mentioned earlier, L controlled the entire police of the world, and could put anyone under supervision and tracking as he deemed fit. He was even watching Light both outside and in his room, and Light still managed to outwit him.
They were both extremely intelligent and L had much much more experience which caused Light to play into his hand during early times, such as the fakeout with Lind L Taylor.
Yeah, the cat and mouse game between the two was the best part of the show, so I'd would have been drastically worse. I also fail to see an opponent that could give them trouble at all.
They were both extremely intelligent and L had much much more experience which caused Light to play into his hand during early times, such as the fakeout with Lind L Taylor.
Yeah, the cat and mouse game between the two was the best part of the show, so I'd would have been drastically worse. I also fail to see an opponent that could give them trouble at all.
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L is a great antagonist and the perfect obstacle against Light, but I agree with @Thururuzao on that he's overrated. I don't get what some ppl find so special about him. I prefer Light.
Griffith is by far the best character in this poll, but I'm picking Zoro over him because Griffith already won the best villain tournament. I think it's pretty meh if the same character wins over and over. I like some variety. That's why I'm voting for Zoro. @Light D Lamperouge I encourage you to exclude some characters that won before who could go for qualify for multiple roles in a story. For example, here Griffith would count as a deuteragonist and a villain. L could count as both an antagonist and deuteragonist(I specifically say antagonist and not villain since I don't view him as the latter). Light could count as both a villain and the protagonist.
With that being said, I don't think neither Griffith nor Zoro is the best deuteragonist among all the characters. Killua and Askeladd are tied to me as the best. These two are absolutely amazing characters and I strongly recommend to anyone who hasn't yet watched their respective shows to check them out: Hunter x Hunter and Vinland Saga.
Griffith is by far the best character in this poll, but I'm picking Zoro over him because Griffith already won the best villain tournament. I think it's pretty meh if the same character wins over and over. I like some variety. That's why I'm voting for Zoro. @Light D Lamperouge I encourage you to exclude some characters that won before who could go for qualify for multiple roles in a story. For example, here Griffith would count as a deuteragonist and a villain. L could count as both an antagonist and deuteragonist(I specifically say antagonist and not villain since I don't view him as the latter). Light could count as both a villain and the protagonist.
With that being said, I don't think neither Griffith nor Zoro is the best deuteragonist among all the characters. Killua and Askeladd are tied to me as the best. These two are absolutely amazing characters and I strongly recommend to anyone who hasn't yet watched their respective shows to check them out: Hunter x Hunter and Vinland Saga.
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Why do you think so?
L has many special things that people find attractive. The mystery surrounding him, his unique quirks, his keen mind, him being morally-grey-ish, an amazingly smart individual, that is in the detective business dealing with cases not because he's strictly focused on some justice, but because he adores the puzzles that the aforementioned cases bring. The incredible deduction abilities that he possesses as well as his unique, funny, and interesting personality are huge bonuses as well. A big part of making him great is how effectively he plays off of Light, and the entire cat and mouse game he and Light play.
You can vote for Griffith then because he did not win the villain tournament, it was the Joker. You have most likely confused it with the MC tournament in which Guts was the victor.
Yeah I have thought about doing it, and will do it for future renditions of tournaments.
Who would you classify as the deuteragonist of One Piece?
L has many special things that people find attractive. The mystery surrounding him, his unique quirks, his keen mind, him being morally-grey-ish, an amazingly smart individual, that is in the detective business dealing with cases not because he's strictly focused on some justice, but because he adores the puzzles that the aforementioned cases bring. The incredible deduction abilities that he possesses as well as his unique, funny, and interesting personality are huge bonuses as well. A big part of making him great is how effectively he plays off of Light, and the entire cat and mouse game he and Light play.
You can vote for Griffith then because he did not win the villain tournament, it was the Joker. You have most likely confused it with the MC tournament in which Guts was the victor.
Yeah I have thought about doing it, and will do it for future renditions of tournaments.
Who would you classify as the deuteragonist of One Piece?
Ah I understand what you mean, but the fact that Zoro is the second most important is what makes him a deuteragonist. It could come down to one's interpretation of the word, however, the deuteragonist or secondary main character is the second most important character of a narrative, after the protagonist and before the tritagonist. The deuteragonist may be on the protagonist's side: for example, a love interest or sidekick. Or the deuteragonist can be a villain, like the protagonist's main rival. The deuteragonist could also be a neutral character. An antagonist is considered a deuteragonist if they are especially present in the story and play a major role.
L likewise, ticks the above boxes, whilst some may argue that it's Ryuk that is the deuteragonist of the show for instance. Who do you think it is?
L likewise, ticks the above boxes, whilst some may argue that it's Ryuk that is the deuteragonist of the show for instance. Who do you think it is?
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Yeah sure i don't mind it that much, i just have higher expectations lol.
I mentionned The Breaker earlier, the deuteragonist in the first season of the manhwa is at times, more important to the narrative than the MC himself lol. Zoro sadly doesn't really meet that standard, especially post-timeskip where Luffy is put forward more than ever.
I agree more on L, it's just the fact that he disappears too early that irks me lol. Ryuk is too much of a spectator tho.
I mentionned The Breaker earlier, the deuteragonist in the first season of the manhwa is at times, more important to the narrative than the MC himself lol. Zoro sadly doesn't really meet that standard, especially post-timeskip where Luffy is put forward more than ever.
I agree more on L, it's just the fact that he disappears too early that irks me lol. Ryuk is too much of a spectator tho.
Because Light is a little prick with some God-complex whose story is completely driven by "convenience".
Light never have to deal with "wrongfully" killing an innocent, because Light is oh so intelligent and right all the time, bla bla bla.
Boring ass hypocrite.
Death Note doesn't happen because Light is a genius.
Death Note happens because Ryuk is bored and doesn't want Light to get caught early, so he tells Light about the agent tailing him and falls for the apple "blackmail" to search the cameras.
The one time Ryuk didn't gave him the win, he got completely outplayed by Misa and got spotted.
"but he didn't know about the death time thing". So? L didn't know about anything from the Death Note and still reached a point where he would have caught both Light and Misa. With no Shinigami conveniently helping out.
L>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shinigami-carried-emo-prick.
Light never have to deal with "wrongfully" killing an innocent, because Light is oh so intelligent and right all the time, bla bla bla.
Boring ass hypocrite.
Death Note doesn't happen because Light is a genius.
Death Note happens because Ryuk is bored and doesn't want Light to get caught early, so he tells Light about the agent tailing him and falls for the apple "blackmail" to search the cameras.
The one time Ryuk didn't gave him the win, he got completely outplayed by Misa and got spotted.
"but he didn't know about the death time thing". So? L didn't know about anything from the Death Note and still reached a point where he would have caught both Light and Misa. With no Shinigami conveniently helping out.
L>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shinigami-carried-emo-prick.
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Why do you think so?
L has many special things that people find attractive. The mystery surrounding him, his unique quirks, his keen mind, him being morally-grey-ish, an amazingly smart individual, that is in the detective business dealing with cases not because he's strictly focused on some justice, but because he adores the puzzles that the aforementioned cases bring. The incredible deduction abilities that he possesses as well as his unique, funny, and interesting personality are huge bonuses as well. A big part of making him great is how effectively he plays off of Light, and the entire cat and mouse game he and Light play.
L has many special things that people find attractive. The mystery surrounding him, his unique quirks, his keen mind, him being morally-grey-ish, an amazingly smart individual, that is in the detective business dealing with cases not because he's strictly focused on some justice, but because he adores the puzzles that the aforementioned cases bring. The incredible deduction abilities that he possesses as well as his unique, funny, and interesting personality are huge bonuses as well. A big part of making him great is how effectively he plays off of Light, and the entire cat and mouse game he and Light play.
Really? I thought he won one of the tournaments. Whoops, my bad then.
Yeah I guess you can say that, especially with Oda's lackluster treatment of post TS characters not named Luffy.
Aye I get it. L kinda lived on in Near and Mello, though the first one sucks ass, and the second one is alright, but nothing like L lmao.
Light is factually smarter than L though.
This, however, does not factor into the equation, or the ultimate outcome the fact that just as Light had Shinigami powers, he had restrictions on him- he needed the name and the face of the individual in order to kill somebody. Moreover, due to the fact he wanted to live longer and rule as the God of the world, he played the game of Shinigami on difficult mode, without being able to access one’s names and faces directly. L, on the other hand, had power over all the police in Japan, FBI, and such. In terms of research, investigation, espionage (cameras and bugging devices) and etc., he had quasi-omnipotent power to prove that Light was Kira. Therefore, if we consider things from this perspective, we will realize that L was not so powerless in comparison to Light, as even though Light had the powers of the Shinigami, he had restrictions on him which incapacitated him from killing L directly (which then would be a direct advantage).
L’s thought pattern which lead to Light being the only suspect was terrifying. L's deduction that Light was Kira was based solely on the evidences that no one else could have been, given how FBI characters were the ones being targeted.
The main reason that Light is actually smarter than L is because he outmaneuvers L and L's traps through the entirety of Death Note.
L, throughout the whole series, sets up traps and tests Light. He blatantly states that he is L in front of Kira in order to get a reaction, tests him in a tennis game, tells him to become the successor of L in case he dies, and such. With all these traps, he believes that he may reveal that Light is Kira.
Now, L is not only appealing to evidence and logic. He is appealing to the micro expressions of the individual to his questions. That is something you can barely control, unless you are in the right mindset.
Therefore, in order to overcome the traps set up by a highly intelligent person, you would have to have equivalent or higher intelligence to not fall for those. Light did exactly that. Not only has he kept his calm, firm posture when being taunted by L (who was in a much safer spot to be himself and act as he wishes), but also answered the questions in a manner that would be impossible to say that he was Kira. With this in mind, we can not only deduct that Light is incredibly intelligent in his contingency planning, but emotionally as well.
Aye I get it. L kinda lived on in Near and Mello, though the first one sucks ass, and the second one is alright, but nothing like L lmao.
Light is factually smarter than L though.
This, however, does not factor into the equation, or the ultimate outcome the fact that just as Light had Shinigami powers, he had restrictions on him- he needed the name and the face of the individual in order to kill somebody. Moreover, due to the fact he wanted to live longer and rule as the God of the world, he played the game of Shinigami on difficult mode, without being able to access one’s names and faces directly. L, on the other hand, had power over all the police in Japan, FBI, and such. In terms of research, investigation, espionage (cameras and bugging devices) and etc., he had quasi-omnipotent power to prove that Light was Kira. Therefore, if we consider things from this perspective, we will realize that L was not so powerless in comparison to Light, as even though Light had the powers of the Shinigami, he had restrictions on him which incapacitated him from killing L directly (which then would be a direct advantage).
L’s thought pattern which lead to Light being the only suspect was terrifying. L's deduction that Light was Kira was based solely on the evidences that no one else could have been, given how FBI characters were the ones being targeted.
The main reason that Light is actually smarter than L is because he outmaneuvers L and L's traps through the entirety of Death Note.
L, throughout the whole series, sets up traps and tests Light. He blatantly states that he is L in front of Kira in order to get a reaction, tests him in a tennis game, tells him to become the successor of L in case he dies, and such. With all these traps, he believes that he may reveal that Light is Kira.
Now, L is not only appealing to evidence and logic. He is appealing to the micro expressions of the individual to his questions. That is something you can barely control, unless you are in the right mindset.
Therefore, in order to overcome the traps set up by a highly intelligent person, you would have to have equivalent or higher intelligence to not fall for those. Light did exactly that. Not only has he kept his calm, firm posture when being taunted by L (who was in a much safer spot to be himself and act as he wishes), but also answered the questions in a manner that would be impossible to say that he was Kira. With this in mind, we can not only deduct that Light is incredibly intelligent in his contingency planning, but emotionally as well.
No one actually tried, but I would have had to tell them to pick someone else. Yuno is the one that fits the deuteragonist bill. I had to turn down Gojo for instance because of that.
Well personal tastes differ of course, therefore I can't really divulge into that lol. L is objectively an undoubtedly good/great character, but personal preference is different.
Not to my recollection. He appeared in the villain tournament, of course, however, he was eliminated in the semi-finals, as he was in a 3-way fight with the eventual victor the Joker and Light.
Well personal tastes differ of course, therefore I can't really divulge into that lol. L is objectively an undoubtedly good/great character, but personal preference is different.
Not to my recollection. He appeared in the villain tournament, of course, however, he was eliminated in the semi-finals, as he was in a 3-way fight with the eventual victor the Joker and Light.
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Yeah, for me while watching the show, I cared a lot more about what Light was doing as opposed to how L would combat him. L made for a great obstacle and made the battle of wits spectacular between them, but to me, Death Note was much more about how Light was gonna about taking over the world as Kira than who is gonna stop him. I understand that part 2 of Death Note sucked but I don't think you need an L level antagonist to make the story good. We could see how prior to getting into the thick of things with L, the show was still great with Raye Penber and his wife with the way Light took them out.
I don't know how to explain it well but I was personally far more invested with Light than I was with L and that investment kinda dictates how I feel about both characters.
Gotcha. I've changed my vote to Griffith now.
I don't know how to explain it well but I was personally far more invested with Light than I was with L and that investment kinda dictates how I feel about both characters.
Gotcha. I've changed my vote to Griffith now.