General & Others Officially confirmed: Zoro is the vice captain
- Thread starter ThunderSupernova
- Start date
Dont understand all this drama over this subject.
Its clear that the cover have the n°2 of the groups, whatever the rank/title they use, those guys are seen by the world as the right hand man in theirs captains.
The topic over "vice captain" seems like a problem of translation, dont think the rank "vice captain" is used crew, the correct rank is first-mate, but is basically the same thing, Ray and Beackman are called first-mates, even if Zoro and Killer aren't called that in a name boxes, thats prety much theirs positions in the crews, as the Kid Pirates, the SH, the RHP and the Roger Pirates follow the smaller type of crew.
If course u dont need to hold the positions of first-mate to be consider the right hand man, and we can see that in some bigger crews like BM, WB, Kaido and Teach crews, where some of people have the same high rank (Sweet General, Division Commander, Ship Captain and All-Star), but even among them theres one guys who is the right hand.
I'm not even a big Zoro fan, but by this point, only some dumb Sanji fans are still in denial that Zoro isnt the second strongest and the first-mate of the SH.
Its clear that the cover have the n°2 of the groups, whatever the rank/title they use, those guys are seen by the world as the right hand man in theirs captains.
The topic over "vice captain" seems like a problem of translation, dont think the rank "vice captain" is used crew, the correct rank is first-mate, but is basically the same thing, Ray and Beackman are called first-mates, even if Zoro and Killer aren't called that in a name boxes, thats prety much theirs positions in the crews, as the Kid Pirates, the SH, the RHP and the Roger Pirates follow the smaller type of crew.
If course u dont need to hold the positions of first-mate to be consider the right hand man, and we can see that in some bigger crews like BM, WB, Kaido and Teach crews, where some of people have the same high rank (Sweet General, Division Commander, Ship Captain and All-Star), but even among them theres one guys who is the right hand.
I'm not even a big Zoro fan, but by this point, only some dumb Sanji fans are still in denial that Zoro isnt the second strongest and the first-mate of the SH.
I've seen you shitting on Zoro in the past, while simping for Sanji.
Such massive ammount of copium should be illegal, how many times did you overdose already in order for your brain to have melted soo bad you would publicly post soo much bullshit? Even you already admited Zoro is luffy's right hand man LOL.
Bepo is not the second strongest in his crew, but he is also there, he IS the VC tho.
Such massive ammount of copium should be illegal, how many times did you overdose already in order for your brain to have melted soo bad you would publicly post soo much bullshit? Even you already admited Zoro is luffy's right hand man LOL.
Bepo is not the second strongest in his crew, but he is also there, he IS the VC tho.
!!STOP!!
Also, this Laffitte is chief of staff thing just came out of thin air one day and has stuck, the guy is just the navigator nothing more!
If Oda is using real-life for BB pirates crew structure then the first ship captain is just the helmsman of the 1st ship of the armada, the ship on which the admiral is stationed on, so the first ship captain has no real authority unlike the other ship captains.
Also, this Laffitte is chief of staff thing just came out of thin air one day and has stuck, the guy is just the navigator nothing more!
If Oda is using real-life for BB pirates crew structure then the first ship captain is just the helmsman of the 1st ship of the armada, the ship on which the admiral is stationed on, so the first ship captain has no real authority unlike the other ship captains.
Indeed, and even fourteen years old can understand that, when some seconds are given the title of first mate while others aren't (even in data compilations like Vivre Cards), then maybe we should think that not all seconds are first mates.
But hey, maybe fourteen years old can answer questions like...
1) Why Vivre Cards only addressed a few number twos as first mates if they all are.
2) Why Rayleigh is both addressed as Roger's right hand man AND his first mate as introductory information directly from the author if those two are synonyms.
3) Why Oda stated every division commander shares the same rank if Marco literally holds a higher rank than them.
4) Why Sabo is in this color spread as the Revolutionary Army's chief of staff yet Teach's own chief of staff isn't here.
5) Why there's any debate at all about who will inherit the captaincy of the Big Mom Pirates if Katakuri is officially the first mate, and why Daifuku alludes to Katakuri's strength instead of his supposed rank as the one appointed to lead them in absence of their mother.
...And so on. Fourteen year old boys aren't dumb enough to not understand that not every crew is structured the same way and to not notice that, if people like Rayleigh and Beckman are explicitly referred as first mates while Marco, Katakuri, King, Zoro... aren't, then perhaps not every second man holds such rank.
(Which is the obvious scenario here).
Bullshit. Not only I don't "simp for Sanji" (whatever that means in your twisted mind) but I've explicitly stated tons of times that I dislike the route Oda has been following with the character and that the cook has long not been of my liking, plus assuring in many other instances how obvious it is that he's weaker than Zoro, that he isn't Luffy's right hand man and so on.
Bepo is more than likely Law's strongest subordinate with direct portrayal as such when he beat with ease the right hand man of Law's novel main antagonist. And even if he wasn't, my point would stand because what I'm arguing is that not every right hand man holds the title of first mate, whether they are the strongest after their leader or not.
And yes, I admitted that Zoro is Luffy's right hand man because he is. But since Oda has made explicit distinctions between a right hand man and a first mate, I'm honest enough to not mix them.
Stop what? Understanding that we have no right to assume as first mates the many characters that have never, ever been confirmed as such just because people's beloved Zoro is Luffy's right wing and second strongest subordinate yet has combatant as his official rank?
If you don't like Laffite as Teach's chief of staff (ergo Sabo's equivalent in terms of authority rank) go complain to the same Vivre Cards stating so while giving the rank of first mate to a small number of right hand men. And I don't know what your first ship captain stuff comes from, but I'm not talking about it.
But hey, maybe fourteen years old can answer questions like...
1) Why Vivre Cards only addressed a few number twos as first mates if they all are.
2) Why Rayleigh is both addressed as Roger's right hand man AND his first mate as introductory information directly from the author if those two are synonyms.
3) Why Oda stated every division commander shares the same rank if Marco literally holds a higher rank than them.
4) Why Sabo is in this color spread as the Revolutionary Army's chief of staff yet Teach's own chief of staff isn't here.
5) Why there's any debate at all about who will inherit the captaincy of the Big Mom Pirates if Katakuri is officially the first mate, and why Daifuku alludes to Katakuri's strength instead of his supposed rank as the one appointed to lead them in absence of their mother.
...And so on. Fourteen year old boys aren't dumb enough to not understand that not every crew is structured the same way and to not notice that, if people like Rayleigh and Beckman are explicitly referred as first mates while Marco, Katakuri, King, Zoro... aren't, then perhaps not every second man holds such rank.
(Which is the obvious scenario here).
Bullshit. Not only I don't "simp for Sanji" (whatever that means in your twisted mind) but I've explicitly stated tons of times that I dislike the route Oda has been following with the character and that the cook has long not been of my liking, plus assuring in many other instances how obvious it is that he's weaker than Zoro, that he isn't Luffy's right hand man and so on.
Bepo is more than likely Law's strongest subordinate with direct portrayal as such when he beat with ease the right hand man of Law's novel main antagonist. And even if he wasn't, my point would stand because what I'm arguing is that not every right hand man holds the title of first mate, whether they are the strongest after their leader or not.
And yes, I admitted that Zoro is Luffy's right hand man because he is. But since Oda has made explicit distinctions between a right hand man and a first mate, I'm honest enough to not mix them.
Stop what? Understanding that we have no right to assume as first mates the many characters that have never, ever been confirmed as such just because people's beloved Zoro is Luffy's right wing and second strongest subordinate yet has combatant as his official rank?
If you don't like Laffite as Teach's chief of staff (ergo Sabo's equivalent in terms of authority rank) go complain to the same Vivre Cards stating so while giving the rank of first mate to a small number of right hand men. And I don't know what your first ship captain stuff comes from, but I'm not talking about it.
I mean, imagine Mr. Interdependence appointing Zoro as his first mate as if he cares about such ranks, or the rest of members staying together and under Zoro's captaincy without Luffy (and needing an official rank to do so, if the situation plays that way). The guy is only the captain because he sees the world through the eyes of a kid, but at the end of the day he sees everybody as equal.
The Straw Hats don't need a first mate and, for Luffy, Zoro is the guy that can use swords just like Nami can navigate, Sanji can cook and so on; plain and simple.
The Straw Hats don't need a first mate and, for Luffy, Zoro is the guy that can use swords just like Nami can navigate, Sanji can cook and so on; plain and simple.
No One:
Some Zoro fans (not all): tONs Of rIghT HAnd men AnD SecOND STrongEST aRE NevER CoNfiRMED AS fIRst MATes AND eVen eXPLicitLY DenIED To HOlD sUCH RanK but SUrely THEY are BecAUSE POtaTO...!
Are you sure you aren't the one reading Two Piece where Zoro, Marco, Katakuri... are officially addressed as first mates, not every division commander of the Whitebeard Pirates shares the same rank, Luffy actually cares about this issue, and so on?
I mean, that would explain the way you guys turn every person denying your made up assumptions into Sanji fans (even those who have explicitly shown their dislike towards him). Which is fallacious attempt at reasoning, albeit way too common for how stupid it is.
Some Zoro fans (not all): tONs Of rIghT HAnd men AnD SecOND STrongEST aRE NevER CoNfiRMED AS fIRst MATes AND eVen eXPLicitLY DenIED To HOlD sUCH RanK but SUrely THEY are BecAUSE POtaTO...!
Are you sure you aren't the one reading Two Piece where Zoro, Marco, Katakuri... are officially addressed as first mates, not every division commander of the Whitebeard Pirates shares the same rank, Luffy actually cares about this issue, and so on?
I mean, that would explain the way you guys turn every person denying your made up assumptions into Sanji fans (even those who have explicitly shown their dislike towards him). Which is fallacious attempt at reasoning, albeit way too common for how stupid it is.
We're not dillusional from facts like you, it's amazing how stupid you seem from the outside looking in when you make up random shit to satisfy your narrative.
Being the number 2 paints a very clear and obvious picture but keep doing you and writing comments devout of reality and we can keep laughing at you
Also good job trying to epically fail at mocking me when no where in my comment making fun of you guys did I use the word first mate... I used the word number 2
Being the number 2 paints a very clear and obvious picture but keep doing you and writing comments devout of reality and we can keep laughing at you
Also good job trying to epically fail at mocking me when no where in my comment making fun of you guys did I use the word first mate... I used the word number 2
Man what your saying now sounds like delusional ramblings of a mad man, please stop!
Chief of staff in division is someone who gives information to the officers, their authority is below that of the admiral and vice-admiral (captain and vice in a pirate ship) , since the revolutionary army has no captain or vice-captains, Sabo's title is that of the head chief commander, who seniority over the other staff officers, something which is totally different from what Laffitte is, Sabo's title is similar to that of vice-admiral Tsuru.
Laffitte's rank is similar to that of Cabaji, he is still under the authority of the vice-admiral of the crew.
Jesus is the captain of the first ship, the flagship of the BB pirates, he has no command over a battalion/division as in the first ship the admiral (Blackbeard) has say on all matters unlike on the other decision ships where the division captains have say on the conduct of the crew.
Anyway, the cover spread makes it pretty clear of who the number 2 in each crew/ organisation is, refuting this is just being ignorant.
Chief of staff in division is someone who gives information to the officers, their authority is below that of the admiral and vice-admiral (captain and vice in a pirate ship) , since the revolutionary army has no captain or vice-captains, Sabo's title is that of the head chief commander, who seniority over the other staff officers, something which is totally different from what Laffitte is, Sabo's title is similar to that of vice-admiral Tsuru.
Laffitte's rank is similar to that of Cabaji, he is still under the authority of the vice-admiral of the crew.
Jesus is the captain of the first ship, the flagship of the BB pirates, he has no command over a battalion/division as in the first ship the admiral (Blackbeard) has say on all matters unlike on the other decision ships where the division captains have say on the conduct of the crew.
Anyway, the cover spread makes it pretty clear of who the number 2 in each crew/ organisation is, refuting this is just being ignorant.
We're not dillusional from facts like you, it's amazing how stupid you seem from the outside looking in when you make up random shit to satisfy your narrative.
Being the number 2 paints a very clear and obvious picture but keep doing you and writing comments devout of reality and we can keep laughing at you
Also good job trying to epically fail at mocking me when no where in my comment making fun of you guys did I use the word first mate... I used the word number 2
Being the number 2 paints a very clear and obvious picture but keep doing you and writing comments devout of reality and we can keep laughing at you
Also good job trying to epically fail at mocking me when no where in my comment making fun of you guys did I use the word first mate... I used the word number 2
The whole thread of discussion these last pages is on first mate not equalling right hand man, what's the point of your mockery if you aren't laughing at people "dillusional (sic) from facts" like me who, in my case, defend said distinction?
The fact here is that tons of number twos aren't first mates. If your only problem is with people challenging the reality of Zoro being Luffy's second strongest and right hand man, then we're fine; but since you addressed me as delusional on facts, and since my position is that second strongest doesn't equal right hand man nor both equal first mate, then you either didn't understand my points or you are the actual dumbass here since you called me delusional on something you share agree with me.
So yeah, suuureeely I'm the stupid here just because I'm sharing facts (I'm not the one who chose not to label many seconds as first mates in official products) and obvious contradictions on the ideas I'm rejecting.