Powers & Abilities Mind blowing theory about Luffy's Devil Fruit.

[HA001]

He knows the name cuz Shanks said him
the name of the DF, Luffy never named it by himself.

Not what I'm talking about.
When spandam gives kaku and kalifa their fruits he says as soon as you eat it you automatically know the name.
He'd have known the name of it himself instantly and he still calls it gomu gomu no

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

The only problem is

When you eat a fruit
You know the name of the fruit

Luffy himself says the name is gomu gomu

this is not true and luffy has to be told the name. no one in the series learns the name of the fruit by eating it

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Not what I'm talking about.
When spandam gives kaku and kalifa their fruits he says as soon as you eat it you automatically know the name.

this is a bad translation and hes actually saying something more like "when you eat it youll get powers and can figure out the name." you dont learn "i have the ox ox fruit model giraffe" you eat the fruit and then look it up in the manual, and if its not in the manual you just get powers and make up a name for them yourself

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in addition, later in that same scene lucci asks them "have you identified your powers yet?" and they say no, and he's like well experiment with them more, or something like that

 

[HA001]

this is not true and luffy has to be told the name. no one in the series learns the name of the fruit by eating it

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this is a bad translation and hes actually saying something more like "when you eat it youll get powers and can figure out the name." you dont learn "i have the ox ox fruit model giraffe" you eat the fruit and then look it up in the manual, and if its not in the manual you just get powers and make up a name for them yourself

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in addition, later in that same scene lucci asks them "have you identified your powers yet?" and they say no, and he's like well experiment with them more, or something like that

Was that old viz or some shit ?

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Was that old viz or some shit ?

yeah viz before stephen paul showed up is kind of bad. some great moments but pletny of stuff like this. translating stuff for flavor when its actually supposed to be precise information or w/e like when they missed the first mention of haki

 

[Salah WG]

I don't believe Gomu Gomu No Mi have any Special Powers
WG feared it for another reason

 

[HA001]

yeah viz before stephen paul showed up is kind of bad. some great moments but pletny of stuff like this. translating stuff for flavor when its actually supposed to be precise information or w/e like when they missed the first mention of haki

Fair enough. If that's wrong then sure
It can be luffys.

Still think oda spoiled eos luffy in the game crossover cover page and luffy gonna have flame hair and flame fists

 

[Master OF Haki]

he still calls it gomu gomu no

Because the entire world calls it Gomu Gomu no mi. That's the entire point!!! The world government changed the name of the DF to hide it, there would no point in doing so if you could easily find out the true name of the DF by yourself.

 

[Gintoki]

Luffy’s df being an Oil Oil df would only make Akainu’s DF stronger so nope. A mythical df(Sun God) would made more sense.

 

[Finalbeta]

Can you reference what you are talking about? I do not recall Rayleigh talking about Vulcanization.

I recall vulcanization was a very short lived theory about Luffy's CoA until we saw others do it. Vulcanization also doesn't set rubber on fire.

I don't recall either.

I actually don't recall it ever mentioned in the manga but I could be potentially wrong. 🤔

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

So Luffy is gonna be like:

 

[Garps tekkai]

My problem with that Yuderon guy is that he somewhat creates his own evidence. If you drift off in mutliple languages and all kinds of different meanings of words and include seemingly random chapter numbers for supposed implications it gets too wild.
Wtih that vast amount of raw material you can literally make anything sound logic and for every part of your theory you can just create the evidence yourself if you do it his way.
Confirmation bias much.
Just look at the absurd stuff he's talking about, for example when he wants to create a link from a drunk customer of Ussop's gama oil to drunk Kaido this chapter.
That's what he was doing within the theory, that Ohara put up in english a while back, aswell. 80% of it was bullcrap, but people are still buying into it.

I really doubt that Oda plans out themes at hand of chapter numbers, it's just the ever developing chronological order of his manga.

His theory is basically just based on a) needs to be an insulator other than rubber (cause Gorosei talk about rubber fruit-assumption) and b) Luffy used fire within two specific moves, therefore oil, with a whole lot of "the fuel that ignites Ace's and Roger's fire/will again" symbolism to "back it up".
It's like super weak, fed up with plain asinine reaches at times.

"Fire" as a standalone ability is not a thing for Luffy. He's creating this via friction. He's only doing it with the hardened version of his g2 boosted ggn bullet movement. That's why Hawk Bullet technically also cannot be a thing, cause it automatically becomes red hawk.

And since when is someone only adaptating certain quirks of a substance, while owning some that do not fit that substance at all?
Keyword rebound/recoil. With an oil fruit he would be Katakuri 2.0, but oily instead of sticky, what he obviously isn't. He's not producing some kind of somewhat elastic substance, his body can just be stretched and deformed and when a certain lvl of extension is reached, his rubber body snaps back into its original form. Really wanna know how oil could explain that.
Also his skin is not oily, when he's using his ability.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Ok, so now that I had a little bit of time to think about it, I'd like to put my own concept on the prospect of Luffy's Devil fruit actually being the "Nika Nika no Mi", without the whole "Oil concept" that the person in the video described.

Now in order for this to make the most sense, I highly suggest you guys read my One Piece/FF Connection theory, in regards to Devil Fruits actually being human abilities, prior to becoming Devil Fruits. You can find that here.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...abilities-before-becoming-devil-fruits.16856/

Now if you bear this theory above in mind, then it would be completely plausible, that Nika himself, actually possessed the power of Rubber, and was the creator of the "Gomu Gomu no Mi". In that regard, Luffy's devil fruit would not be the "Gomu Gomu no Mi" but rather, the Mythical Zoan fruit the "Nika Nika no Mi". If this was the case, then Luffy's awakening, would actually turn him into the "Fire God Nika". That would mean that Luffy himself wouldn't actually be some chosen one, or reincarnation of a person long dead, but rather, he will have inherited the Will of Nika the Fire god, after consuming the Devil Fruit that he created.

Think about this for a second. Kaido's Devil Fruit, is not actually a "Dragon" devil fruit, but rather a "Fish" Devil Fruit. It's Model just so happens to be the Azure Dragon. But what if, Kaido didn't actually turn into a Dragon when he first consumed the fruit? What if, when he ate it, he was actually, just a fish?

Think about the story that Kaido's Fruit is based off of, about the Koi fish who climbed the Waterfall, and only one fish managed to make it to the top, and in doing so, it turned into a Dragon. What if Kaido's fruit was useless at first, and through constant battles, and struggles, he "Awakened" his Fish devil Fruit, and THAT is when he became the Azure Dragon.

This could be the same principle for Luffy's Devil Fruit. Upon eating the "Gomu Gomu no Mi" he gained some of the abilities of Nika, but it won't be until he awakens, that he is able to harness the true power of the Devil Fruit, which is that of the Sun God. I think this makes so much sense in the Grand Scheme of things, and would tie everything together nicely.

With that being said, what do you guys think?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

would honestly hate this
i love the idea he maximized what he had with a relatively strong but fairly average fruit
but this connection to nika or any of these past legends takes away a lot.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

would honestly hate this
i love the idea he maximized what he had with a relatively strong but fairly average fruit
but this connection to nika or any of these past legends takes away a lot.

But if you think of it like this. If the Gomu Gomu no Mi hasn't been awakened in centuries, that means that nobody has been able to take the fruit to that point in hundreds of years. So in essence, Luffy did maximize this "regular fruit" to it's highest potential, and was able to achieve what nobody has before him, for a very, very long time. Awakenings are supposed to be powerful. What difference does it make what the fruit becomes when it awakens, when it's what he did with the fruit prior to awakening it, that should matter the most?

 

[Malio]

One Piece theories are mostly hit and miss 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

But if you think of it like this. If the Gomu Gomu no Mi hasn't been awakened in centuries, that means that nobody has been able to take the fruit to that point in hundreds of years. So in essence, Luffy did maximize this "regular fruit" to it's highest potential, and was able to achieve what nobody has before him, for a very, very long time. Awakenings are supposed to be powerful. What difference does it make what the fruit becomes when it awakens, when it's what he did with the fruit prior to awakening it, that should matter the most?

it ceases to be regular when its connected or in possession to a legend as prestigious as nika
the fruit may also have been in the hands of the world government for quite some time
bit of an assumption to assume a lot of credible users failed to awaken it
and also fruit awakenings are rare in general .

its just a pile on at this point that doesnt need to happen
you have a guy whose dad is the most wanted man , whose grandad arguably the strongest marine
who is an ally of the emperor of the sea and that relationship compelled the right hand man of the previous pk to seek him out to train him in haki and he has become great at that prob even better than some of the emperors he is fighting .
then you add the fact that he was given a df possessed by a legendary warrior in the past who is connected to a prophecy which guarantees this figure will accomplish a particular feat in the future. when you take into account the wg or no one in the story ever pointed out till now , its BS , its an additional boost that doesnt need to happen and if this is the case when he becomes pirate king one can reasonably look back and say , was it ever in doubt?? not because he is the mc but reasonably who the hell was actually going to compete with this guy ........

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

it ceases to be regular when its connected or in possession to a legend as prestigious as nika
the fruit may also have been in the hands of the world government for quite some time
bit of an assumption to assume a lot of credible users failed to awaken it
and also fruit awakenings are rare in general .

its just a pile on at this point that doesnt need to happen
you have a guy whose dad is the most wanted man , whose grandad arguably the strongest marine
who is an ally of the emperor of the sea and that relationship compelled the right hand man of the previous pk to seek him out to train him in haki and he has become great at that prob even better than some of the emperors he is fighting .
then you add the fact that he was given a df possessed by a legendary warrior in the past who is connected to a prophecy which guarantees this figure will accomplish a particular feat in the future. when you take into account the wg or no one in the story ever pointed out till now , its BS , its an additional boost that doesnt need to happen and if this is the case when he becomes pirate king one can reasonably look back and say , was it ever in doubt?? not because he is the mc but reasonably who the hell was actually going to compete with this guy ........

What's the difference between that and the countless other characters who have absolutely broken Devil Fruit's beyond belief that would fail to achieve the mantle of Pirate King?

If the Gomu Gomu no Mi being some Mythical OP Devil Fruit was enough to propel Luffy to Pirate King status, then Oda wouldn't be wasting his time giving him every form of OP Haki under the sun.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

What's the difference between that and the countless other characters who have absolutely broken Devil Fruit's beyond belief that would fail to achieve the mantle of Pirate King?

If the Gomu Gomu no Mi being some Mythical OP Devil Fruit was enough to propel Luffy to Pirate King status, then Oda wouldn't be wasting his time giving him every form of OP Haki under the sun.

"What's the difference between that and the countless other characters who have absolutely broken Devil Fruit's beyond belief that would fail to achieve the mantle of Pirate King?"

you arent getting it
the difference is a lot of those characters dont/will not have the level of haki luffy has been exposed to and for good reason . luffy is already looking head and shoulders above with what hes been given in haki that allows him to go toe to toe with people with potentially better dfs. taking away that edge from everyone else and making his fruit probably the most special one in the verse the way its being talked about is ridiculous . not just that , this theory will imply he is the figure in yet another prophecy being talked about.

No one is arguing the gomu gomu no mi is enough to propel luffy to pk status
but adding it to the multitude of things his character already has highlighted is over the top.


roger achieved this title without the elaborate prophecies
and to our knowledge a broken devil fruit
its just plainly unnecessary .

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

"What's the difference between that and the countless other characters who have absolutely broken Devil Fruit's beyond belief that would fail to achieve the mantle of Pirate King?"

you arent getting it
the difference is a lot of those characters dont/will not have the level of haki luffy has been exposed to and for good reason . luffy is already looking head and shoulders above with what hes been given in haki that allows him to go toe to toe with people with potentially better dfs. taking away that edge from everyone else and making his fruit probably the most special one in the verse the way its being talked about is ridiculous . not just that , this theory will imply he is the figure in yet another prophecy being talked about.

No one is arguing the gomu gomu no mi is enough to propel luffy to pk status
but adding it to the multitude of things his character already has highlighted is over the top.


roger achieved this title without the elaborate prophecies
and to our knowledge a broken devil fruit
its just plainly unnecessary .

You have to understand, this is far more than just being "strong enough to be Pirate King". That is not going to be the end of the Journey for this story. The narrative is being pushed in the direction where the fate of the entire World is going to hang in the balance, and the #1 Prime candidate of final antagonist happens to have two absolutely broken devil fruits, with the possibility of maybe having a third. He'll also have at least 1-2, if not all three forms of Top Tier Haki. This has absolutely nothing to do with Luffy and becoming Pirate King. It's what comes after that, that there needs to be something that separates Luffy from EVERYONE else, bar Blackbeard, whose going to be on a whole other level no matter what.

 

[Hanners220]

That was an interesting video, and I look forward in seeing if Yuderon's theory comes to fruition in any sort of capacity.

I think Oda is building a connection between Luffy's fruit, Nika, and Joy Boy.