General & Others Oda should have less focus on Luffy

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serkeara

serkeara

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I read JJK and it is very amazing on how panels have been distributed across characters. Apart from Yuji, we have story for Yuta, Mugumi, Maki, and even villians.
For me, this make the world building super amazing with variety of personalities and tones. This is similar to HxH.

Imagine One Piece, which is very famous for the world building, has explored more on other characters like Marine, Yonko, revolutionary, supernova. Imagine having 100+ chapters exploring the world like Reverie arc. This manga will be unbeatable.

Unfortunately, in OP, Luffy is the center of every arc, foreshadow everybody, and make everyone become cheerleader. This is a big miss from Oda.
 
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Den_Den_Mushi

Den_Den_Mushi

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I don’t think there would be a problem with Oda’s focus on Luffy if he would just treat Luffy like a dynamic, interesting character with flaws that actually matter and a character arc of his own. The MCU for example has been extremely Steve and Tony-centric for 10 years but very few people complain. Why? Because Steve and Tony were always changing and growing. Their dynamics with others and each other didn’t stay the same. That’s why there’s so much Luffy fatigue. He never learns anything that doesn’t pertain to fighting. He never has to.
 
Afroking

Afroking

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Unpopular opinion. The worldbuiding is the problem .

The time he focuses on Luffy hasn't changed . Back in prets it was fine.

The lack of focus on the other SH because he introduced a massive amount of side characters is the problem. Along with the degrade of the quality the impact is clear.
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He focuses more in worldbuilding through words as well and doesn't focus on the characters anymore,unlike prets.

And because he has more characters now ,he has more to focus kn them as well and he cluster every page to fit more into a chapter.

You won't see him draw panels like this nowadays




A big ass panel "wasted " on the grass to set the tone for the upcoming battle. He won't do shit like that anymore.
 
serkeara

serkeara

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Afroking said:
Unpopular opinion. The worldbuiding is the problem .

The time he focuses on Luffy hasn't changed . Back in prets it was fine.

The lack of focus on the other SH because he introduced a massive amount of side characters is the problem. Along with the degrade of the quality the impact is clear.
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He focuses more in worldbuilding through words as well and doesn't focus on the characters anymore,unlike prets.

And because he has more characters now ,he has more to focus kn them as well and he cluster every page to fit more into a chapter.

You won't see him draw panels like this nowadays




A big ass panel "wasted " on the grass to set the tone for the upcoming battle. He won't do shit like that anymore.
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I miss those tones... It's like we are in a different manga now
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Den_Den_Mushi said:
I don’t think there would be a problem with Oda’s focus on Luffy if he would just treat Luffy like a dynamic, interesting character with flaws that actually matter and a character arc of his own. The MCU for example has been extremely Steve and Tony-centric for 10 years but very few people complain. Why? Because Steve and Tony were always changing and growing. Their dynamics with others and each other didn’t stay the same. That’s why there’s so much Luffy fatigue. He never learns anything that doesn’t pertain to fighting. He never has to.
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While I agree with you, I want to point out that other characters become dull and lose integrity when interacting with Luffy. Characters like WB, Kid, or Law will be much more interesting in their owns, but were ruined when involving with Luffy.
 
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God Ward

God Ward

Back When They Called Us Devils
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Luffy was more interesting preTS. Alabasta and that talk with Vivi about people dying always come up in my mind when I think of Luffy preTS. He was happy go lucky, yes, but it wasn't WAKU WAKU tier like it is right now. He still has great moments, like how he told everyone to keep going when Pedro died, and when he threw Katakuri into the mirror to take care of him without destroying the Sunny, but those moments are becoming rarer and rarer.
 
Mackiss

Mackiss

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Afroking said:
Unpopular opinion. The worldbuiding is the problem .

The time he focuses on Luffy hasn't changed . Back in prets it was fine.

The lack of focus on the other SH because he introduced a massive amount of side characters is the problem. Along with the degrade of the quality the impact is clear.
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He focuses more in worldbuilding through words as well and doesn't focus on the characters anymore,unlike prets.

And because he has more characters now ,he has more to focus kn them as well and he cluster every page to fit more into a chapter.

You won't see him draw panels like this nowadays




A big ass panel "wasted " on the grass to set the tone for the upcoming battle. He won't do shit like that anymore.
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I agree

He puts too much characters saying too much bullshit in a single chapter, and forget to focus on what really matters.
 
lee33

lee33

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There has only been a single arc the entire post time skip that focuses on world building and it lasted 3 chapters. There is NO world building in One Piece. Adding a bunch of new characters and giving them screen time is NOT world building.

To answer your question, the problem with Oda is not that Luffy gets too much focus (which he definitely does) but instead is that Oda creates so many unnecessary characters that it is impossible to give others as much screen time as Luffy. For example, what is the point of 9 scabbards? Tama? O-toko? Hiroyo? Orochi? Etc? They serve no added purpose to the story. Just a bunch of filler characters.
 
Ar1sE1998

Ar1sE1998

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lee33 said:
There has only been a single arc the entire post time skip that focuses on world building and it lasted 3 chapters. There is NO world building in One Piece. Adding a bunch of new characters and giving them screen time is NOT world building.

To answer your question, the problem with Oda is not that Luffy gets too much focus (which he definitely does) but instead is that Oda creates so many unnecessary characters that it is impossible to give others as much screen time as Luffy. For example, what is the point of 9 scabbards? Tama? O-toko? Hiroyo? Orochi? Etc? They serve no added purpose to the story. Just a bunch of filler characters.
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Idk why oda don't kill a few of them they will be irrelevant in the future
 
uyuu

uyuu

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serkeara said:
I read JJK and it is very amazing on how panels have been distributed across characters. Apart from Yuji, we have story for Yuta, Mugumi, Maki, and even villians.
For me, this make the world building super amazing with variety of personalities and tones. This is similar to HxH.

Imagine One Piece, which is very famous for the world building, has explored more on other characters like Marine, Yonko, revolutionary, supernova. Imagine having 100+ chapters exploring the world like Reverie arc. This manga will be unbeatable.

Unfortunately, in OP, Luffy is the center of every arc, foreshadow everybody, and make everyone become cheerleader. This is a big miss from Oda.
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Theres more to it tho.

- Oda can center an arc on someone else (not Luffy), but don't make it a PK-related arc. If an arc is about PK then it's inevitable that it will be Luffy-centric. So among Oda's true mistakes imo is Oda makes every arc about PK instead of other topic, cornering himself into making it into Luffy-centric arc. Wano and Dressrosa for example, the arc bosses want to be PK, of course Luffy will surpass them directly in powerlevel clashb etc etc.

- Oda focus on quantity of Luffy's spotlite, but he also focus on humiliating Luffy as well. Oda focusing on Luffy's quantity of screentime is the true mistake imo, since he should focus on Luffy's quality of screentime instead. Luffy doesnt have to fight Page 1-Ulti-Yamato with a tired expression etc if he is already too strong for that, but Oda want quantity so Luffy's screentime is diluted and have less meaning.
 
roronoa_fan

roronoa_fan

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Den_Den_Mushi said:
I don’t think there would be a problem with Oda’s focus on Luffy if he would just treat Luffy like a dynamic, interesting character with flaws that actually matter and a character arc of his own. The MCU for example has been extremely Steve and Tony-centric for 10 years but very few people complain. Why? Because Steve and Tony were always changing and growing. Their dynamics with others and each other didn’t stay the same. That’s why there’s so much Luffy fatigue. He never learns anything that doesn’t pertain to fighting. He never has to.
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I agree, the problem is not giving Luffy time, he is the MC, the problem is giving and Luffy being exactly the same after 1043 chapters.

He hasn't grown at all after so much, he says he cares about his teammates, but the first thing he does is act recklessly and put them at risk.
 
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