Has Kaido been defeated!?


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roger literally had the one pice in front of his eyes, but he could never attain it.

it's not even a matter of chance by that point, it's impossible to get the one piece without being the chosen one.

the yonko actually worked hard and invested a lot of time and resources to get to where they are.

luffy literally blitzed through in 2 years.

Roger get to the final island and had the one piece but we have no idea what it is .
Also Roger blitzed things as soon as he got Oden and got to the final island .
The whole chosen one aspect bigger than getting the OP .
Also saying Yonko work hard to get where they are funny since Kaido enslave a whole island and was chilling out for years.
 
Who cares. That just means it's a bad final fight.
- Lot of readers.


- Also "who cares".
- also lot of readers again


- I'm against "this villain needs his flashed out backstory before his defeat". I think Kaido is a very poor character and it isn't a flashback after 140 chapters that it's going to fix it.
- If you don't care for a good villian,it is then your problem. A good manga works with a good villian. Why was Doffy so unique? Kaido is not just a basic villian. Dude was build up since 400 chapters, because of him lot of bad things happen. He is a major antagonist, a villian who is a Reason why Luffy got 3 Powerups in a fucking same arc. Lot of questions still need to get answered.


- It's not important. You think it is, but it really isn't. Momo's development is an internal one. The people will support him anyway already. He doesn't need witnesses. He needs to mature. It's not something that happens because someone saw him doing something. Stop this nonsense.
- For lot of reader it is important.
Again because of you having a low expectation and don't care for a good plot it doesn't mean we also must have the same opinion. You try to find excuse to defend that nonsense what Oda do this arc.


- All these things can be done AFTER the fight. Ennies Lobby didn't end as soon as Luffy beat Lucci.
-Or it can happen with Kaido standing up again, nothing would speak against it if he indeed stand up with awakening and to give Kaido a proper build up.

Oden got over 10+ chapters a flashback.
Kaido has a more meaning then Oden, he should get a proper build up.
 
It's by competence, becoming joyboy is by destiny
What are you saying
Roger reached final island by competence
roger couldn't finish his task.
only joyboy can have the one piece.
roger on the day of his execution talked about the one piece as something that belongs to him, but in reality it never was.

"my treasure, it's there where i left it, it's yours if you can find it..."
a lie.
 
@DruMzTV like you post in AP and agree totally with it, you summ it up perfectly:
""sure. Since it's 1am i'll just make the biggest points.

- There still hasn't been any tension in the fight
- Kaido still hasn't awakened. Some people will say "he is already awakened" but that simply speaks against every awakening oda has written so far. He always states the awakening.
- Kaido has used 4 Wisdom King referencing attacks so far. But there exist 5 Wisdom Kings. The most important one is missing.
- The 1 major thing we needed from Kaido's flashbacks were his Motivations. We knew how he started out. A young ambitious man wanting to claim the world. Then something happened during the GV Incident that changed him as a person. We have yet to see what changed him. What made him so obsessed with death? Why is he in Wano? What makes wano special for him? Why does he seek out Joyboy? He literallysaid to Yamato "There are no easy answers in this world" when she asked him why he's pulling this stuff. The Chapter completly skips the God Valley Incident and does not mention Rocks at all.
- We still haven't gotten the Lore about the history of Onigashima to us that was hinted multiple times.
- Momo's moment is a B plot in this chapter and it's questionable if the citizens even witnessed it, which is extremely important for his character.
- There is no symbolism of the dawn or anything whatsoever tied to his defeat yet.
- The citizens always are greatly involved in the Arc climax and defeat of the big bad. They beg the good guys to defeat the bad guys that also creates stakes and tension. Because if the good guys lose, the bad guys will demolish them. But here, they are barely even present.
- We do not see Luffy taking any repurcussions or really struggling throughout the fight.
- Kaido got defeated in his arguably (weakest) Zoan form. I doubt the Fire is giving him such a major boost that it topples everything else. It's just harder to touch him.
- No Narrator box of his defeat (granted, those usually come after the defeated Chapter.)
Stuff:
- Then you could point out unresolved stuff like What's up with Zoro? What's up with the remaining CP0 guy? What's up with Caribou? Apoo? the Journal? Road Poneglyph? Big Mom? Big Mom's Crew? Nidai Kitetsu? Ame no Habakiri? Kokeshi Dolls? Who's Tenguyama? Drunken Iron Lore? Yamato's heritage? Where went Kaido on an expedition 3 years ago (It was teased in an earlier flashback)? Is Orochi really dead? Will we get to see Toki? What was her purpose? Oden's Journal? Yamato actually being accepted by the citizen, when or how will that go? Wano Land of gold. Will that ever get adressed?

Navy?
Zunesha? "

Also we didn't get anything why Kaido choose Onigashima, what is his race, how he get the Numbers.
I'll try to tackle @DruMzTV points

- If Oda hadn't build up any tension after 100+ pages of fighting I fail to see how extending the fight would help. I think it's time to take the L on that
- His drunk forms are his awakening. Oda could've easily forgotten to mention it, he's not perfect.
- Luffy is the last wisdom king
- We have gotten crumbs of Kaido's motivations. Honestly if he were to die or admit defeat next chapter we could finally have one last flashback that puts everything together ala WB. Also Rocks is obviously being kept for BB
- Easily post wano lore dump
- It could be that Oda's planning something else for Momo. Anyways the island thing is done
- The dawn can come next chapter. In Thriller Bark at one point it was dead dark and the next we were being reminded of the dawn.
- The citizens can show some backbone right before Kaido is about to die next chapter, or they could even capture him.
- It was symbolic
- Luffy usually doesn't get those
- Post Wano lore dump

easy to address
 
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Imu created Devil Fruits

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Nami is mermaid mermaid Zoan human fruit
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jörmungandr

How jormungandr is drawn , looks similar to Luffy drawing of Nami.

Nami is from Sweden. Sweden = Viking = Elbaf

Jormungandr is enemy of Thor. Thunder connection with Nami.

Jormungandr disguised herself as Cat (Cat burglar Nami ).

Ever since Jormungand was a little child who could do no harm to the world, he was banished into the deep ocean in Midgard. The land of Midgard was surrounded by a vast ocean. And gods cursed Jormungand to forever stay under the vast ocean.


The first time Jormungand emerged from the waves was his first encounter with Thor.
 
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