Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1049 Spoilers Discussion
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I had this theory of zoro was actually using superior form of ryou with ashura that's why just a scar not wound. And the attacked was named secret technique ashura dead 'man' man game. If zkk were to happen. As zoro ends his attack with ashura. Like his ryou attack was named flying dragon blaze which bigmam asked kaido to dodge which mean ryou do hurt kaido in forms of cut only. And against King he used adv con the attack name was flying dragon hell blaze. Not just blaze. Looking at that I thought in zkk zoro Final ashura attack could be death 'god' game rather than dead man game.
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Enma Zori's greatest power up in series took him from a weak YC3 level to mid YC1 level.
Luffy defeats Kaido Zori technically draws with King as they're both unconscious
Luffy defeats Kaido Zori technically draws with King as they're both unconscious
Recent chapter luffy is about to pass out too after punching kaido.
And mid yc1? He is ready to high diff a yonkou.
There's always going to be people who don't fight though, everyone willing and able joined the raid or help in other ways like Kinemons wife, this is like being mad at people in real life who flee or stay praying at war times or don't fuck around with oppressive regimes, in the case of Wano they already suffered a big blow with the loss of Oden and the scabbards, have been systematically oppressed since then with even their kids getting brainwashed and they even launched a raid years before that ended in failure and took many who were willing to fight then and the hopes of those that remained.
You want "substance" but don't want a character arc that doesn't just have Zoro be a "coolboy badass feats collector"; that can't happen, you think the Sanji moments would be as impactful as they were if it weren't for WCI?. You can't have your cake and eat it too you know, if you want substance from Zoro but don't want him to fail, struggle, look weak, question himself and seem foolish then you don't want substance, you just want a half baked backstory and forced character moment to prop up what really matters to you which boils down to, "Zoro beats this", "Zoro beats that", "Look how strong Zoro is he did all that". Oda played the long game with Sanji and it payed off, got a strong and character relevant opponent, meaningful power up and a good character moment, all off the back of that arc which was so "horrible" because Sanji wasn't swinging his dick around showing everyone who's boss. You want a gourmet meal?, well you gotta wait, if not then just get a burger, same idea.
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Oh god, don't put such words in my mouth!
I'm not criticising the non fighting Wano citizens for not fighting in the raid.
My criticism is directed at Oda painting them as highly superstitious and fake. They can't see things as what they are.
They are easily manipulated and let themselves be used as tools.
I'm not criticising the non fighting Wano citizens for not fighting in the raid.
My criticism is directed at Oda painting them as highly superstitious and fake. They can't see things as what they are.
They are easily manipulated and let themselves be used as tools.
Thanks for this post. Because it shows exactly what many think.
This arc feels like to have sooo many questions who need to get answered, so many build up but in the end nothing come out of it, just Oda teasing but not bring it to the end. And I don´t mean the end plot build up but general this arc feel so that we go into the arc with less question and left it with more questions out.
Something who was Oda forte, his main skill for handle the story proper, I feel like Wano arc was to much plot to handle them.
I mean people should read DR and then go back to read wano, based on storytelling, it is a huge gap, Oda was never such bad as he was in Wano, like legit if we has tons of question to get answered even after 140chapters, then it is clear that Oda couldn´t handle the huge cast. I mean we get few questions answered, but the Oden flashback as example left us out with more question, I don´t even wanna talk about Toki role and character build up.
What I like in DR was that when Oda open up a plot, he ended it and give us the answer, I feel like Oda take more care in DR to
development characters then in Wano and in my opinion he kinda did it. You get many characters but most of them get proper good stories. Like the character build up for DR was better in writing then in Wano where many characters(the villians in case) didn´t get a proper build up.
Let talk about each part of DR as example, in case of fights wano is of course far better, but in story telling DR was far better, since Oda highlight each phase and development the good and bad characters pretty good.
Start with the Colosseum(rewatching it currently), you could feel something to characters like Barto,Cavendish,Don Family and the other characters of Luffy current fleet(as example Hajrudin). Oda give them flashbacks, great background stories, explain the motive and each character had a development during the arc.
As example the Scabbards aren´t worse, I like the flashback with Oden and also the Mink story, but I feel like Oda should never made so many scabbards, Denjiro should stay Kyoshiro,Ashura and Kawamatsu should cut of the cast,to many characters to handle.
Kinemon got a proper build up as also the Minks,but in case you see how Oda ruin the whole tension with the Minks, he build up Zou with Jack and totally ruin it in Wano, offscreen a fight like Inu vs Jack. Why build up a whole arc and a great build up to ruin it in wano?
A reason most like, to much characters!! In the end the scabbards stay under the potential what they had expect Kinemon.
And that with a arc over 140+chapters!!
In case the build up for Luffy grandfleet was far better for me since in the end each character had his own development.
Coming to the next part, the citizen, Tontattas and other characters like Kyros,Rebecca and King Riku.
In the end every of these characters had a positive effect to the story, the citizen who didn´t give up against Doffy birdcage, the Tontattas who saved their friends and Kyros(Rebecca and Riku) who could take their revenge. I feel like the development of the Riku family was far better then Oden family.
Coming to Doffy crew, we had a big long flashback, how Doffy meet his top four with a epic panel.
We see how the crew grow up, how they took over DR with a genius plan,working as crew together, the Law/Corazon flashback make it ever better for them. At top Baby5 and Senior Pink had great build ups, as compare look at Kaido crew and family.
Corazon as example,we as reader feel more for his character as for Yamato, just imagine this.
Kaido crew is flat,don´t have any character building except King and Kaido.
People wish proper build up for WsW, it was a disaster, I don´t wanna even speak about Jack and other flying six members, I remember how people had theory about Sasaki, Oda tease Denjiro and Sasaki encounter only to end it very fast, so many great potenial plots just ruined. And then Kaido the main antagonist since 400chapters ago. Just compare his character development with Doffy one...
What is the difference between a Hody,Ceaser,Doffy and a Kaido, when in the end Kaido get a same threatment, worse even then Doffy? And I don´t speak about powerscaling but development as character. We are sitting now over 140chapters and all what Kaido got for his own personal flashback are 3-5panels... Big mom as example got 2 back to back chapters and at top half flashback with Streusen, also many other flashbacks where we seen her. Big Mom as character get a far better build up as Kaido.
A Character who was hyped since 400chapter ago.
I don´t even wanna talk about the whole lore content..
Lot of question, so many questions where Im sure that Oda will not answer all of them, meaning we will leave this arc with many questions open up....
I could open up a whole book over 20pages in full detail what go wrong with wano, but I would probably need weeks to finished it...
Lot of terrible writing in my opinion, I never see Oda so bad as in this arc with so many fails, the case why this arc is not one of the worst is duo all the characters and good other stuff, im not saying it is the worst arc but I can´t understand how people try to tell me that this arc was Oda best work, it was for sure not. In my opinion it is not even in the top5 if this continue as I expect it.
In my opinion the hated WCi arc is far better then Wano arc, as example.
I hope and wish for the future that Oda don´t make ever such a huge cast, I fear for the final war!!
I hope he see how hard it is to make a good arc with such a huge cast, he couldn´t handle it.
The best thing for the future arc, make the cast smaller and focus finally on the story+Strawhats without stalling around or giving us characters like Tama and the Samurai.
We not watching and reading OP because of Samurai or other sideline characters, we reading it because to see how the strawhats reach their goals in the end. Alone the fact how Usopp and other strawhats get threat this arc so that Oda forget the most important build up, the strawhats...
The fight is finished, I don´t expect Kaido to stand up, I rather accept this failure of Oda and don´t hope for two weeks now that Kaido stand up in 1050...
This arc feels like to have sooo many questions who need to get answered, so many build up but in the end nothing come out of it, just Oda teasing but not bring it to the end. And I don´t mean the end plot build up but general this arc feel so that we go into the arc with less question and left it with more questions out.
Something who was Oda forte, his main skill for handle the story proper, I feel like Wano arc was to much plot to handle them.
I mean people should read DR and then go back to read wano, based on storytelling, it is a huge gap, Oda was never such bad as he was in Wano, like legit if we has tons of question to get answered even after 140chapters, then it is clear that Oda couldn´t handle the huge cast. I mean we get few questions answered, but the Oden flashback as example left us out with more question, I don´t even wanna talk about Toki role and character build up.
What I like in DR was that when Oda open up a plot, he ended it and give us the answer, I feel like Oda take more care in DR to
development characters then in Wano and in my opinion he kinda did it. You get many characters but most of them get proper good stories. Like the character build up for DR was better in writing then in Wano where many characters(the villians in case) didn´t get a proper build up.
Let talk about each part of DR as example, in case of fights wano is of course far better, but in story telling DR was far better, since Oda highlight each phase and development the good and bad characters pretty good.
Start with the Colosseum(rewatching it currently), you could feel something to characters like Barto,Cavendish,Don Family and the other characters of Luffy current fleet(as example Hajrudin). Oda give them flashbacks, great background stories, explain the motive and each character had a development during the arc.
As example the Scabbards aren´t worse, I like the flashback with Oden and also the Mink story, but I feel like Oda should never made so many scabbards, Denjiro should stay Kyoshiro,Ashura and Kawamatsu should cut of the cast,to many characters to handle.
Kinemon got a proper build up as also the Minks,but in case you see how Oda ruin the whole tension with the Minks, he build up Zou with Jack and totally ruin it in Wano, offscreen a fight like Inu vs Jack. Why build up a whole arc and a great build up to ruin it in wano?
A reason most like, to much characters!! In the end the scabbards stay under the potential what they had expect Kinemon.
And that with a arc over 140+chapters!!
In case the build up for Luffy grandfleet was far better for me since in the end each character had his own development.
Coming to the next part, the citizen, Tontattas and other characters like Kyros,Rebecca and King Riku.
In the end every of these characters had a positive effect to the story, the citizen who didn´t give up against Doffy birdcage, the Tontattas who saved their friends and Kyros(Rebecca and Riku) who could take their revenge. I feel like the development of the Riku family was far better then Oden family.
Coming to Doffy crew, we had a big long flashback, how Doffy meet his top four with a epic panel.
We see how the crew grow up, how they took over DR with a genius plan,working as crew together, the Law/Corazon flashback make it ever better for them. At top Baby5 and Senior Pink had great build ups, as compare look at Kaido crew and family.
Corazon as example,we as reader feel more for his character as for Yamato, just imagine this.
Kaido crew is flat,don´t have any character building except King and Kaido.
People wish proper build up for WsW, it was a disaster, I don´t wanna even speak about Jack and other flying six members, I remember how people had theory about Sasaki, Oda tease Denjiro and Sasaki encounter only to end it very fast, so many great potenial plots just ruined. And then Kaido the main antagonist since 400chapters ago. Just compare his character development with Doffy one...
What is the difference between a Hody,Ceaser,Doffy and a Kaido, when in the end Kaido get a same threatment, worse even then Doffy? And I don´t speak about powerscaling but development as character. We are sitting now over 140chapters and all what Kaido got for his own personal flashback are 3-5panels... Big mom as example got 2 back to back chapters and at top half flashback with Streusen, also many other flashbacks where we seen her. Big Mom as character get a far better build up as Kaido.
A Character who was hyped since 400chapter ago.
I don´t even wanna talk about the whole lore content..
Lot of question, so many questions where Im sure that Oda will not answer all of them, meaning we will leave this arc with many questions open up....
I could open up a whole book over 20pages in full detail what go wrong with wano, but I would probably need weeks to finished it...
Lot of terrible writing in my opinion, I never see Oda so bad as in this arc with so many fails, the case why this arc is not one of the worst is duo all the characters and good other stuff, im not saying it is the worst arc but I can´t understand how people try to tell me that this arc was Oda best work, it was for sure not. In my opinion it is not even in the top5 if this continue as I expect it.
In my opinion the hated WCi arc is far better then Wano arc, as example.
I hope and wish for the future that Oda don´t make ever such a huge cast, I fear for the final war!!
I hope he see how hard it is to make a good arc with such a huge cast, he couldn´t handle it.
The best thing for the future arc, make the cast smaller and focus finally on the story+Strawhats without stalling around or giving us characters like Tama and the Samurai.
We not watching and reading OP because of Samurai or other sideline characters, we reading it because to see how the strawhats reach their goals in the end. Alone the fact how Usopp and other strawhats get threat this arc so that Oda forget the most important build up, the strawhats...
The fight is finished, I don´t expect Kaido to stand up, I rather accept this failure of Oda and don´t hope for two weeks now that Kaido stand up in 1050...
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