Questions & Mysteries Did Zoro defeated Kuma in Thriller bark
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Oh, he was never going to kill Luffy, just his crewmates lol.
But also... never kill them either, just test them. Which you have to assume because he never said that.
If Kuma was worried about raising suspicion, he probably wouldn't have asserted the need to go personally only to come back a failure. If he imagined rhe'd see them again, he jeopardized it with Thriller Bark.
Kuma himself was destroyed by the government with his body enslaved and mass produced. He sent himself up shit's creek with his actions including the whisper in front Kizaru. Maybe your argument is supposed to point to him looking like an idiot, if you're saying that hurting Zoro bad enough to where lacked strength in the following ven fight in the next arc instead of breaking character after seeing that Zoro and Sanji were ready to die in Luffy's place.
But also... never kill them either, just test them. Which you have to assume because he never said that.
If Kuma was worried about raising suspicion, he probably wouldn't have asserted the need to go personally only to come back a failure. If he imagined rhe'd see them again, he jeopardized it with Thriller Bark.
Kuma himself was destroyed by the government with his body enslaved and mass produced. He sent himself up shit's creek with his actions including the whisper in front Kizaru. Maybe your argument is supposed to point to him looking like an idiot, if you're saying that hurting Zoro bad enough to where lacked strength in the following ven fight in the next arc instead of breaking character after seeing that Zoro and Sanji were ready to die in Luffy's place.
He had no intention of killing anyone, I wasn't saying he wanted to kill his crewmates, I was telling you to quote me properly. As for why he put Zoro through that pain, well it's obvious isn't it?......that was Zoros decision; Kuma is a man of honor and so is Zoro, just like Kuma would never break his word (as he stated prior), he knew Zoro would never either. It's no different to what Ussop said back in Skypiea when Sanji stood Infront of EL Thor, "Never trample on a mans resolution", are you going to tell me Ussop wanted to leave Sanji for dead?, of course not but he understood that Sanji had made peace with his decision. Kuma wasn't going to deny Zoro his sacrifice, he also knew Zoro wasn't going to back down from it. Breaking character would defeat the whole purpose of a test and would put him at risk of exposure, again he was undercover why the hell would he risk compromising his mission. You also have to tell me why Kuma didn't kill the crew and take Luffy if that was his true goal and why the hell would he go on to praise Luffy and his crew right after AND save them later on in Sabaody when he still had his memories of Thriller Bark, so he was still the same Kuma. Zoro asked for his life to be taken, Kuma instead gave him Luffys pain, that is a mercy in and of itself which he wouldn't have granted Zoro had he intended on killing any of them, which Zoro even says when they meet again in Saboady.
In conclusion, Kuma was testing the straw hats loyalty to see how far they are willing to go for thier captain, Zoro offered his life, Kuma respected his decision and honored it, instead of trampling over it like you are suggesting which goes against his character. Ultimately Zoro survived because Kuma never had any intention on killing him, or any straw-hats hence " I am alive because of your mercy", you don't like the way it was done?.....that doesn't change the reality of the story, talk to Oda about that.
In conclusion, Kuma was testing the straw hats loyalty to see how far they are willing to go for thier captain, Zoro offered his life, Kuma respected his decision and honored it, instead of trampling over it like you are suggesting which goes against his character. Ultimately Zoro survived because Kuma never had any intention on killing him, or any straw-hats hence " I am alive because of your mercy", you don't like the way it was done?.....that doesn't change the reality of the story, talk to Oda about that.
It's more like a moral victory
Like in HxH: Hanzo was astronomically superior to Gon, but after watching his willpower and stubbornness he decided to give up and Gon ended up winner despite going to coma right after, while Hanzo was completely fresh.
However my suggestion is regardless of what your opinion is let's just appreciate this great Zoro's character moment and his great feat.
It was one of the greatest moments in the entire manga, there is really no need to do pointless debates around it.
Like in HxH: Hanzo was astronomically superior to Gon, but after watching his willpower and stubbornness he decided to give up and Gon ended up winner despite going to coma right after, while Hanzo was completely fresh.
However my suggestion is regardless of what your opinion is let's just appreciate this great Zoro's character moment and his great feat.
It was one of the greatest moments in the entire manga, there is really no need to do pointless debates around it.
Good to know you finally became a pure Zoro hater @M944
Everyone needs to be honest about their true nature
Everyone needs to be honest about their true nature
Because I think he didn't defeated Kuma ? WTF ?
If I don't Say Zoro's top 1 in the verse I'm a hater I Guess ?
Don't need to lie bro lol!
The moment you create a thread about something happened 15 years ago, we all know for what purpose.
There are luffy haters, sanji haters and zoro haters, it's normal lol.
You said it "because I think he didn't defeat kuma" so why you need the approval of others and their point of views ? Are you gonna change your mind if even the world say "yes zoro defeated kuma" ?
To ridicule another fanbase and make them look stupid and their fav.
Others do the same to your fav and you do the same.
We aren't Saint
The moment you create a thread about something happened 15 years ago, we all know for what purpose.
There are luffy haters, sanji haters and zoro haters, it's normal lol.
You said it "because I think he didn't defeat kuma" so why you need the approval of others and their point of views ? Are you gonna change your mind if even the world say "yes zoro defeated kuma" ?
To ridicule another fanbase and make them look stupid and their fav.
Others do the same to your fav and you do the same.
We aren't Saint
Don't need to lie bro lol!
The moment you create a thread about something happened 15 years ago, we all know for what purpose.
There are luffy haters, sanji haters and zoro haters, it's normal lol.
You said it "because I think he didn't defeat kuma" so why you need the approval of others and their point of views ? Are you gonna change your mind if even the world say "yes zoro defeated kuma" ?
To ridicule another fanbase and make them look stupid and their fav.
Others do the same to your fav and you do the same.
We aren't Saint
The moment you create a thread about something happened 15 years ago, we all know for what purpose.
There are luffy haters, sanji haters and zoro haters, it's normal lol.
You said it "because I think he didn't defeat kuma" so why you need the approval of others and their point of views ? Are you gonna change your mind if even the world say "yes zoro defeated kuma" ?
To ridicule another fanbase and make them look stupid and their fav.
Others do the same to your fav and you do the same.
We aren't Saint
Don't need to lie bro lol!
The moment you create a thread about something happened 15 years ago, we all know for what purpose.
There are luffy haters, sanji haters and zoro haters, it's normal lol.
You said it "because I think he didn't defeat kuma" so why you need the approval of others and their point of views ? Are you gonna change your mind if even the world say "yes zoro defeated kuma" ?
To ridicule another fanbase and make them look stupid and their fav.
Others do the same to your fav and you do the same.
We aren't Saint
The moment you create a thread about something happened 15 years ago, we all know for what purpose.
There are luffy haters, sanji haters and zoro haters, it's normal lol.
You said it "because I think he didn't defeat kuma" so why you need the approval of others and their point of views ? Are you gonna change your mind if even the world say "yes zoro defeated kuma" ?
To ridicule another fanbase and make them look stupid and their fav.
Others do the same to your fav and you do the same.
We aren't Saint
It was "a defeat". Because kuma had the order to bring Luffy's head and failed his mission because of Zoro. We call that a L like Jack who failed to bring Doffy because of Fujitora and Sengoku.
Kuma went away, luffy and zoro were still alive.
Kuma thought he would kill Zoro but Zoro won the bet and Kuma lost his bet.
But Kuma spared the life of Zoro and Zoro didn't lose Kuma's challenge.
Kuma went away, luffy and zoro were still alive.
Kuma thought he would kill Zoro but Zoro won the bet and Kuma lost his bet.
But Kuma spared the life of Zoro and Zoro didn't lose Kuma's challenge.
Don't need to lie bro lol!
The moment you create a thread about something happened 15 years ago, we all know for what purpose.
There are luffy haters, sanji haters and zoro haters, it's normal lol.
You said it "because I think he didn't defeat kuma" so why you need the approval of others and their point of views ? Are you gonna change your mind if even the world say "yes zoro defeated kuma" ?
To ridicule another fanbase and make them look stupid and their fav.
Others do the same to your fav and you do the same.
We aren't Saint
The moment you create a thread about something happened 15 years ago, we all know for what purpose.
There are luffy haters, sanji haters and zoro haters, it's normal lol.
You said it "because I think he didn't defeat kuma" so why you need the approval of others and their point of views ? Are you gonna change your mind if even the world say "yes zoro defeated kuma" ?
To ridicule another fanbase and make them look stupid and their fav.
Others do the same to your fav and you do the same.
We aren't Saint
If I spamm Luffy can solo the verse and you don't agree I Can call you an hater ?
That's what I basically said.
You wanna "ask" the point of views of others like you are Saint and when they say something different "buh buh ztards, zfighters" and you wanna act like cool dudes
So you are basically saying Kuma knew Zoro would survive when he literally said "hell itself" and "you won't survive" lol.
You wanna "ask" the point of views of others like you are Saint and when they say something different "buh buh ztards, zfighters" and you wanna act like cool dudes
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So you are basically saying Kuma knew Zoro would survive when he literally said "hell itself" and "you won't survive" lol.