Character Discussion Ryokugyu Specializes In Armament, Has A Black Blade, And Is A Future Zoro Opponent. What Aramaki’s parallels with Issho tell us about him.

What type of haki do you think Ryokugyu specializes in?

  • Conqueror’s

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Armament

    Votes: 19 90.5%
  • Observation

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    21
#1
I’ve made several disjointed threads about my ideas regarding this, but I thought it would be best to coalesce everything into one over-arching thread.
(I’ll embed the images later but I’m using my phone so for now it’s just Imgur links)

Here’s the gist of the idea I have:

Fujitora is:
1) a moral/kind admiral

2) someone who accidentally causes destruction wherever he goes

3) an observation haki specialist

Ryokugyu is:
1) an evil/hardline admiral (the opposite of Fujitora)

note: there’s a strong possibility that’s he’s a “delinquent with a heart of gold” trope - Yoshio Harada, the actor Ryokugyu is based on, plays these characters A LOT - for the sake of this thread and the current evidence I’m going to assume this is not the case

2) someone who accidentally causes RESTORATION wherever he goes (another stark contrast to Fujitora)

3) You can guess what I’m going to write here. Fujitora is an observation specialist, therefore Ryokugyu is an armament specialist.


I strongly believe that most of the (admittedly little) information we have about Black Blades implies that the key to obtaining one is armament haki, not conqueror’s.

A sword being a black blade is related to being clad in haki according to Mihawk. This doesn’t really fit super well with what we know about conqueror’s, even now, since hardening/“cladding” weapons specifically is more associated with armament. We also know lots of obvious conqueror’s specialists (Roger, Shanks, etc) without black blades.

Previously, I’ve stated that I thought Kizaru would be Zoro’s opponent. I no longer believe this.

While Ryokugyu possessing a black blade doesn’t make it impossible that he’s a Sanji opponent, the evidence would undeniably tilt towards a confrontation between him and Zoro.

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#2
Oda prefer battles due to people's personalities and moral ideaolgies. Zoro has never fought someone with a personality similar to Ryoukugyu. On the contray Sanji has....

Plus I think the whole point is to have CoO Master vs CoA Master.

Sanji (CoO Master) vs Ryou (CoA Master)
Zoro (CoA Master) vs Fuji (CoO Master)

Sanji having to penetrate through his Black Blade defence.

Zoro having to land a few clean hits and get through Fuji's CoO (FS) defence.
 
#3
Oda prefer battles due to people's personalities and moral ideaolgies. Zoro has never fought someone with a personality similar to Ryoukugyu. On the contray Sanji has....

Plus I think the whole point is to have CoO Master vs CoA Master.

Sanji (CoO Master) vs Ryou (CoA Master)
Zoro (CoA Master) vs Fuji (CoO Master)

Sanji having to penetrate through his Black Blade defence.

Zoro having to land a few clean hits and get through Fuji's CoO (FS) defence.
Maybe but a few things.

1) I think Oda is generally more likely to pair up opponents with similar haki-based skill sets than not.

2) I’m not sold on Fujitora being an antagonist EOS,

3) Between Kizaru and Ryokugyu, Kizaru seems more suited for Sanji (based on his connections to science groups like Vegapunk’s — he’s also more weird)
 
#4
Maybe but a few things.

1) I think Oda is generally more likely to pair up opponents with similar haki-based skill sets than not.

2) I’m not sold on Fujitora being an antagonist EOS,

3) Between Kizaru and Ryokugyu, Kizaru seems more suited for Sanji (based on his connections to science groups like Vegapunk’s — he’s also more weird)
1.) Possibly, but haki is a new concept. Weve just had our first proper fighting arc with haki in the fray as well. Plus King didnt seem like he was a CoA specialist or anything. His CoA seemed pretty simple, nothing suggesting his was superior to Queen's.

2.) I mean Fuji just helped fight off the Revos, protect the CDs and capture Sabo. Idk about you but that doesnt seem like something a good guy would do. Even if he feels bad for fighting Luffy and co, I dont believe he will. Hes only ever been against the Shichibukai system.

3.) I mean its possible, but theirs no denying the duoship between Ryou and Fuji....something Oda loves for Zoro and Sanji's opponents to have. Even though Kizaru is weird....Sanji's opponents have always been more arrogant and lively than that. Kizaru is just trollish and somewhat calm.
 

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Conqueror of the Stars
#5
While I do not agree that Admirals will fight Zoro or Sanji, let’s get something straight:

Kizaru vs Zoro and Green Bull vs Sanji would be the correct way to go. Green Bull is too similar to Zoro to fight Zoro, and Zoro already has a black blade matchup with Mihawk. Kizaru is also similar enough to Sanji that I’m pretty positive Oda would rather him face Zoro than Sanji.

Anyway, Green Bull is an armament specialist.
 
#7
NGL, I'm kinda of starting to get the feeling SH's maybe apart from luffy will face one.

This was a good thread though, I didn't notice how fuji/ryo were the exact opposite.
 
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#8
note: there’s a strong possibility that’s he’s a “delinquent with a heart of gold” trope - Yoshio Harada, the actor Ryokugyu is based on, plays these characters A LOT - for the sake of this thread and the current evidence I’m going to assume this is not the case
I hope this is the case. His design, devil fruit and 10 year long hype would be wasted if he's a mini-Akainu:whitepress:
 
#10
Zoro and Sanji are not fighting Admirals.

Sanji will never be Top Tier Level stop being retarded...

Zoro would lose to any Admiral he faces.

Mihawk would have a 50/50 with Ryu or Fujitora and Mihawk is Zoro's final opponent, Zoro will beyond extreme diff Mihawk with nakama willpower bullshit.
 
#13
I never said that.

Sanji will be at Marco level at the end of the series but without the regeneration, so he is fodder to Admirals since the only reason Marco has any chance of survival against them is his regeneration.
He can already defeat Marco now lol.

Marco was potrayed inferior to him when he called Sanji the Star. Marco's strongest attack shown so far cant even make Base Queen keep the damage for more than a chap.
 
#14
obviously armament haki , Wano people are armament haki people , Kaido's crew are Zoans which stand for toughness. and that is why i think he has a Zoan DF (maybe mythical Zoan) as well.
it is basically like that: Oda has this 3 colors concept :
Mind Force user:
those who use the mind force are people who are creative , sharp minded etc so basically :
observation haki
paramcia DFs , are effective if the user is creative and sharp minded.

Body force user :
those who are has tough bodies and mostly depends on sheer force basically:
arament haki
zoan DF , give the user tough bodies

Body and Mind user:
those who can conquer the people
Conquer haki
logia user.

so basically you could see the yonko BM and Kaido are like observation haki and armament haki.
and their crew are the same while BM's crew has only paramecia users , so has Kaido's crew only /mostly Zoan users.
 
#17
He can already defeat Marco now lol.

Marco was potrayed inferior to him when he called Sanji the Star. Marco's strongest attack shown so far cant even make Base Queen keep the damage for more than a chap.
Completely baseless statement...

Marco mid diffed King and Queen combined while Sanji defeated only Queen mid diff who already had prior damage as well as hit himself with his own attacks.

How is Sanji Marco level?

Marco level is literally Sanji's max potential at the end of the series, stop deluding yourself.
 
#18
Completely baseless statement...

Marco mid diffed King and Queen combined while Sanji defeated only Queen mid diff who already had prior damage as well as hit himself with his own attacks.

How is Sanji Marco level?

Marco level is literally Sanji's max potential at the end of the series, stop deluding yourself.
Sanji>marco easy
 
#20
Completely baseless statement...

Marco mid diffed King and Queen combined while Sanji defeated only Queen mid diff who already had prior damage as well as hit himself with his own attacks.

How is Sanji Marco level?

Marco level is literally Sanji's max potential at the end of the series, stop deluding yourself.
Marco mid diff King and Queen ? What are you talking about lol.

Marco was left as a bloody corpse and Queen even thought he was dead after Marco fought with the Calamities.

Queen has Zoan recovery...and was literally healing from some of Marco's attacks in base. Queen was near full health or was full health when starting fighting Sanji.
 
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