Speculations Shusui>Nerfma. Oda
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1.Chapter 473 Mentioned hardness as one of the special characteristics of the black blade and toughness as not even a dinosaur can make it bend i agree with you that temporary zoro is doing this coating his swords in arnament haki as they do not break and that toughness last forever.
2.chap 474 shusui made the power of the technique stronger absorbing the other two slashes (another characteristic of the black blade which zoro has not done with any coated blade in manga )
3.i agree with the haki preservation but i think ur downplay is real when it comes to actually making a permanent black blade and using it and i am in no way downplaying mihawks words... a permanent black blade is the goal not temporary imbuement but hey oda will show u the way
Where the heck has shodai been mentioned in wano ?
2.chap 474 shusui made the power of the technique stronger absorbing the other two slashes (another characteristic of the black blade which zoro has not done with any coated blade in manga )
3.i agree with the haki preservation but i think ur downplay is real when it comes to actually making a permanent black blade and using it and i am in no way downplaying mihawks words... a permanent black blade is the goal not temporary imbuement but hey oda will show u the way
Where the heck has shodai been mentioned in wano ?
2.chap 474 shusui made the power of the technique stronger absorbing the other two slashes (another characteristic of the black blade which zoro has not done with any coated blade in manga )
its not that it made the technique stronger, the blade itself was stronger and it made the attack imbalanced... you can check the chapter itself, Zoro himself mentions how he needs to get used to it so he can balance his attack... the blade itself was stronger than his other 2 blades, yes of course but the attack was wrong and not intended like that as mentioned by Zoro, Shusui absorbing other attacks was not a trait of shusui but a blunder from zoro at that time
3.i agree with the haki preservation but i think ur downplay is real when it comes to actually making a permanent black blade and using it and i am in no way downplaying mihawks words... a permanent black blade is the goal not temporary imbuement but hey oda will show u the way
again Mihawk is the one talking about blacking the blade, temporarily... and its not me who is downplaying, its you guys who are hyping shusui so that you can indirectly hype Zoro.... if Black blades were all so special they would never fall off supreme grade and would all be ranked the best of supreme grades... being ranked so low while being black blade means its not shusui's sharpness that is so great but the toughness that Blackening grants... ranks are granted by quality of sharpness and categories are just numbers, they are all meito and you could say over all shusui is a meito deserving position 13-33 among all meito
Where the heck has shodai been mentioned in wano ?
its not just Shodai, its Shodai Kitetsu... Kitetsu is the swordsmith of Wano who crafted kitetsu swords, this was already mentioned when talking about Nidai Kitetsu (or is it that you guys don't want Kitetsu to be Kitetsu so you can call Shusui as strongest of Wano ?)
yes, they are the best, but you should also understand that it is stupid to say 21 O wazomono are better than 12 Saijo O wazomono (which are mostly non black blades),
which means the black blades have one particular trait that they are better at than the rest, not in overall... and that trait was already mentioned by Zoro, that they are toughest and unbreakable
its not that it made the technique stronger, the blade itself was stronger and it made the attack imbalanced... you can check the chapter itself, Zoro himself mentions how he needs to get used to it so he can balance his attack... the blade itself was stronger than his other 2 blades, yes of course but the attack was wrong and not intended like that as mentioned by Zoro, Shusui absorbing other attacks was not a trait of shusui but a blunder from zoro at that time
3.i agree with the haki preservation but i think ur downplay is real when it comes to actually making a permanent black blade and using it and i am in no way downplaying mihawks words... a permanent black blade is the goal not temporary imbuement but hey oda will show u the way
again Mihawk is the one talking about blacking the blade, temporarily... and its not me who is downplaying, its you guys who are hyping shusui so that you can indirectly hype Zoro.... if Black blades were all so special they would never fall off supreme grade and would all be ranked the best of supreme grades... being ranked so low while being black blade means its not shusui's sharpness that is so great but the toughness that Blackening grants... ranks are granted by quality of sharpness and categories are just numbers, they are all meito and you could say over all shusui is a meito deserving position 13-33 among all meito
Where the heck has shodai been mentioned in wano ?
its not just Shodai, its Shodai Kitetsu... Kitetsu is the swordsmith of Wano who crafted kitetsu swords, this was already mentioned when talking about Nidai Kitetsu (or is it that you guys don't want Kitetsu to be Kitetsu so you can call Shusui as strongest of Wano ?)
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yes, they are the best, but you should also understand that it is stupid to say 21 O wazomono are better than 12 Saijo O wazomono (which are mostly non black blades),
which means the black blades have one particular trait that they are better at than the rest, not in overall... and that trait was already mentioned by Zoro, that they are toughest and unbreakable
Enma forces the wielder to release a ridiculous amount of haki resulting in him trying to control his Haki output. Nothing more.
Anything else is fanfiction.
Enma already has insane cutting potential given that we were told it was the only blade to cut Kaido.
Enma wasn’t a training tool for Zoro. Merely a powerup that was out of his control. In the end he realized controlling his haki output was not what he should have been doing but instead allowing it to release as much as possible.
In terms of cutting power, Enma most certainly is superior to Shusui. Otherwise why would Zoro claim that he would get stronger once he got used to Enma?
Anything else is fanfiction.
Enma already has insane cutting potential given that we were told it was the only blade to cut Kaido.
Enma wasn’t a training tool for Zoro. Merely a powerup that was out of his control. In the end he realized controlling his haki output was not what he should have been doing but instead allowing it to release as much as possible.
In terms of cutting power, Enma most certainly is superior to Shusui. Otherwise why would Zoro claim that he would get stronger once he got used to Enma?
- yeah so it forces the wielder to become stronger
- fake hype ,we saw ame do the same shit
- for me Emma is a powerup by being a training tool for zoro
- so it did force zoro to get stronger to wield it thus a training tool , zoro claimed that cause its factual , at the end of the day he will be strong enough to wield enma properly and thus stronger .
- but for me if u swap shusui and Enma from current zoro's hands then he will be better off with shusui .
- fake hype ,we saw ame do the same shit
- for me Emma is a powerup by being a training tool for zoro
- so it did force zoro to get stronger to wield it thus a training tool , zoro claimed that cause its factual , at the end of the day he will be strong enough to wield enma properly and thus stronger .
- but for me if u swap shusui and Enma from current zoro's hands then he will be better off with shusui .
Oda again made it clear that black blades are the most elite of all swords. That is why Shusui is considered the strongest blade of vano and above enma. Zoro voluntarily gave up the highest blade among the top 21 swords and took a nerf that weakened him.
I think it's you guys who are coping you would rather invent bs abilities about Enma than give Zoro cred for his growth.
Enma will never be better than Shusui in it's current state we didn't make the grading system of these blades Oda did
It was even deriving it's hype from Shusui during it's intro for belonging in the same grade
This so called special ability is more of a nerf draining it's users haki
Can't go against the author's word, Shisui is an elite sword, Enma isn't.
Shisui is most likely only under the supreme grade weapons in terms of durability.
Zoro is the power up, his ability to improve is what allowed him to use Enma, others just eat reality warping fruits and have it easy, just look at Luffy and Momo.
Shisui is most likely only under the supreme grade weapons in terms of durability.
Ame and Enma both cut Kaido because Oden was wielding them. As Zoro implies, Odens skill with Haki is greater than his own as he was easily able to wield Enma with no drawbacks. At the end of the day Enma is a powerup because Zoro himself acknowledges it as such.
Zoro was willingly exuding his haki as this statement proves not that he was letting it release the agenda is strong in this as always coming from you. When Enma drains the user without their will and exudes haki usually the arm shrivels up as we saw it happen multiple times. Ch 1033 was to show Zoro's journey to complete mastery over it that was whole point of that FB.
Zoro relying on Enma to release his haki for him would mean the sword is the one in control rather than the other way around not to mention the fact we never heard any swordsman rely on that crap to release their own haki. Zoro using coc on all 3 of his swords still doesn't seem register in your brains
No. This would be the case if acoc and haki smoke came ONLY from Enma. Enma DOES NOT RELEASE KHAKI, she SUCKS KHAKI only through herself. If Enma had released the haki, then all three of Zoro's blades would have been covered in haki smoke during the roof. Zoro HIMSELF covers the rest of the khaki blades with smoke and acoc in 1033. Just like Auden. Zoro can cover acoc as soon as Sandai (with Vado and Enma "off") and three blades at the same time. The enma does not have the same function as the Zaraki Kenpachi bandage to release more reatsu (haki) with the whole body when removed. No. She sucks khaki only through the holding hand. The current Zoro can cover khaki with smoke and acoc any blade with or without enma. Which he demonstrated with Sandai
Kinemon did not want to take Enma for nothing, which kills users without asking devouring hacks. I would take Shusui. Moreover, as it turned out, Zoro perfectly covers acoc all three swords or sandai (bird dance). Why enma if Zoro can cover acoc with any blade? But to combine three slashes into one (shusui) this is a truly unique feature.
Kinemon did not want to take Enma for nothing, which kills users without asking devouring hacks. I would take Shusui. Moreover, as it turned out, Zoro perfectly covers acoc all three swords or sandai (bird dance). Why enma if Zoro can cover acoc with any blade? But to combine three slashes into one (shusui) this is a truly unique feature.
Zoro also said that HE WILL BECOME STRONGER, but HE HAS NOT BECOME STRONGER YET. He became stronger after he figured out how to use his hacks. Enma did not stand out in any way either by the number of hacks or by the number of acocs in 1033 chapters and beyond.
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Kinemon did not want to take Enma for nothing, which kills users without asking devouring hacks. I would take Shusui. Moreover, as it turned out, Zoro perfectly covers acoc all three swords or sandai (bird dance). Why enma if Zoro can cover acoc with any blade? But to combine three slashes into one (shusui) this is a truly unique feature.
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Kinemon did not want to take Enma for nothing, which kills users without asking devouring hacks. I would take Shusui. Moreover, as it turned out, Zoro perfectly covers acoc all three swords or sandai (bird dance). Why enma if Zoro can cover acoc with any blade? But to combine three slashes into one (shusui) this is a truly unique feature.
Ame and Enma both cut Kaido because Oden was wielding them. As Zoro implies, Odens skill with Haki is greater than his own as he was easily able to wield Enma with no drawbacks. At the end of the day Enma is a powerup because Zoro himself acknowledges it as such.
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After the failure with Oden Hacks, they have a new strategy. 1 To declare that enma began not to suck, but to release Haki. 2 What Zoro throws from enma haki to other blades. 3 The fact that enma pulls acoc and Zoro distributes it to all swords. 4 That Enma gives acoc even when acoc is only on one blade (sandai)
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