luffy didnt only fail to save ace tbf , he got beat unconscious and put in the med.
if you are going to call it a "loss" , in which case that has little place in pl discussions.
kizaru "lost" to the supernovas in sabaody because he failed to capture them . if that is the sort of logic you lot are running with honestly suit yourselves. I think its pretty clear what's shown in the story when someone loses a fight.
if you are going to call it a "loss" , in which case that has little place in pl discussions.
kizaru "lost" to the supernovas in sabaody because he failed to capture them . if that is the sort of logic you lot are running with honestly suit yourselves. I think its pretty clear what's shown in the story when someone loses a fight.
Ace dug his own grave by falling for Akainu's taunting and putting Luffy at risk.