Character Discussion Why Sanji has more self respect as a fighter than Zoro, without even having fight oriented dream?

Who has more self respect for their strength?


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#42
And yet he used it when it benefitted him no problem
Yeah because it was useful and he still did not like using it

Unlike Zoro who looks like he wants to fuck Enma because of how much power it gave him
But of course you will keep reflecting back to Sanji because you can't excuse Zoro's shit character who only looks for shortcuts, eh?

Zoro is a swordsman he was one from day 1 a swordsman uses swords
Except these are magic swords that are billion times more durable than normal swords
and billion times more stronger

also having special powers like giving Zoro the power to injure Kaido without needing adv CoA.
duh so yur coping about it cause it helped him unlock advcoc doesnt work here.
Oh yeah, it also helped him unlock haki he would've never unlocked by using normal swords. Good job.
Sanji changed from a physical fighter to a lab rat fighter in only a few chapters
How is he still not a physical fighter?
And he also made his mother sacrifice almost entirely meaningless.
How? Does he not still have his emotions?
Did he do it on purpose knowing what will happen? huh?
 

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#44
Yeah because it was useful and he still did not like using it

Unlike Zoro who looks like he wants to fuck Enma because of how much power it gave him
But of course you will keep reflecting back to Sanji because you can't excuse Zoro's shit character who only looks for shortcuts, eh?


Except these are magic swords that are billion times more durable than normal swords
and billion times more stronger

also having special powers like giving Zoro the power to injure Kaido without needing adv CoA.

Oh yeah, it also helped him unlock haki he would've never unlocked by using normal swords. Good job.

How is he still not a physical fighter?

How? Does he not still have his emotions?
Did he do it on purpose knowing what will happen? huh?
Zoro can wish to fuck enma all day that wont change the fact he is a swordsman using a sword.
He even had to train to use it before the raid since zoro is about hard work and cant take the easy path like steroids using sanji.
The difference between a conqueror and a lab rat.
 
#45
Yeah because it was useful and he still did not like using it

Unlike Zoro who looks like he wants to fuck Enma because of how much power it gave him
But of course you will keep reflecting back to Sanji because you can't excuse Zoro's shit character who only looks for shortcuts, eh?


Except these are magic swords that are billion times more durable than normal swords
and billion times more stronger

also having special powers like giving Zoro the power to injure Kaido without needing adv CoA.

Oh yeah, it also helped him unlock haki he would've never unlocked by using normal swords. Good job.

How is he still not a physical fighter?

How? Does he not still have his emotions?
Did he do it on purpose knowing what will happen? huh?
Sanji swore not to use a raid suit or germa enhancements. Zoro, on the other hand, never said he wouldn't use a sword as a crutch, after all he's a swordsman. I know it's a bad plot line to have him use a sword as his crutch for growth but that's how it'll be for now, just gotta accept it.
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Zoro>King>Queen(not distracted)>Yamato>Jinbei>Sanji
Yamato > Zoro but besides that this list is correct.
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Zoro can wish to fuck enma all day that wont change the fact he is a swordsman using a sword.
He even had to train to use it before the raid since zoro is about hard work and cant take the easy path like steroids using sanji.
The difference between a conqueror and a lab rat.
actually a good point come to think of it
 
#46
Zoro can wish to fuck enma all day that wont change the fact he is a swordsman using a sword.
So if there was that was capable of cutting the fabric of space, it would still be okay for Zoro to use it and it won't be a cheap way to reach his goal, all because it's a "sword"?
He even had to train to use it before the raid since zoro is about hard work and cant take the easy path
Oh please, if infinity gauntlet needed few minutes of practice to use, that doesn't mean that somehow the power character has gained is thanks to "hard work" lmao. It's still a magic power the character could've never achieved in multiple lifetimes with just training.

That "hard work" cope is just a character getting used to a magic item.
and cant take the easy path like steroids using sanji.
The difference between a conqueror and a lab rat.
Once again, why do you keep deflecting to Sanji? He doesn't have a strength dream. He can get stronger by wishing a genie and it still wouldn't hurt his character.
Unlike Zoro, who keep begging for magic swords and training from WSS.
 

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#47
So if there was that was capable of cutting the fabric of space, it would still be okay for Zoro to use it and it won't be a cheap way to reach his goal, all because it's a "sword"?

Oh please, if infinity gauntlet needed few minutes of practice to use, that doesn't mean that somehow the power character has gained is thanks to "hard work" lmao. It's still a magic power the character could've never achieved in multiple lifetimes with just training.

That "hard work" cope is just a character getting used to a magic item.

Once again, why do you keep deflecting to Sanji? He doesn't have a strength dream. He can get stronger by wishing a genie and it still wouldn't hurt his character.
Unlike Zoro, who keep begging for magic swords and training from WSS.
arguing ''what ifs'' is pointless, what if the raid suit could rip the fabrice of space too?
And yes zoro had to train to use enma we literally saw him training with momo before the raid.
What does having a strength dream has to do with anything zoro's is to become the strongest swordsman so if he wished to a genie he would achieve that as well right?
Except he would never do such a bitch move.
Even worse would be doing it like sanji did getting your wish fulfilled then destroying the lamp trying to look cool after it lost all meaning in destroying it.
The real sanji who doesnt use germa's powerups died to brachiosnake that's as far as sanji goes in the new world,below queen level.
 
#48
So if there was that was capable of cutting the fabric of space, it would still be okay for Zoro to use it and it won't be a cheap way to reach his goal, all because it's a "sword"?

Oh please, if infinity gauntlet needed few minutes of practice to use, that doesn't mean that somehow the power character has gained is thanks to "hard work" lmao. It's still a magic power the character could've never achieved in multiple lifetimes with just training.

That "hard work" cope is just a character getting used to a magic item.

Once again, why do you keep deflecting to Sanji? He doesn't have a strength dream. He can get stronger by wishing a genie and it still wouldn't hurt his character.
Unlike Zoro, who keep begging for magic swords and training from WSS.
He begged for a sword that a girl gave to him for free?
Literally makes no sense.
 
#51
It's easy to get named/good swords, nobody has any excuse. Preskip Zoro could do it, and he wasn't even that strong. The strongest swordsmen get the strongest weapons, it's just how it is. Dissing Zoro because he has good equipment is pretty funny ngl. Might as well just say why doesn't Zoro use a wooden sword. A shit weapon won't even be able to hold Zoro's power, it's gonna break. Same was stated with Whitebeard in recent Databook.

As for Enma, only Zoro & Oden could weild it, you need to be strong already to be able to weild it. The only "magic" thing it does is it brings out your Haki on it's own which is mostly a nerf and almost got him killed. And Zoro has to master his swords to be able to use them and he went through a lot of be able to deal with Enma.

If Zoro really wanted to get stronger in any way possible, he'd also get Genetic Enhancments and a Raid suit if possible, or would try to get a Devil Fruit.

You have to be on a lot of copium to say a sword is stronger than a Raid Suit or Genetic Enhancments which you don't even need to master at all to use. Give them to Usopp he could become strong, give him Enma and he's dead.
 
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#54
Sora sacrificed herself so sanji wouldnt become a germa.
It was more about him not being heartless solider than getting Germa powers.
Sanji uses raid suit 3 times and accepts the germa powers he supposedly hated so he could win.
To Win a fight that if he lost he would be dead and his crew/allies would be dead,putting his friends over hatred he has for family is a pretty good choice.
Also breaking his "only uses legs" code by using the raid suit and germa powers.
He didn't use his hands while using his RD or germa power so he dint break his "not using hands" rule.
 
#55
It was more about him not being heartless solider than getting Germa powers.

To Win a fight that if he lost he would be dead and his crew/allies would be dead,putting his friends over hatred he has for family is a pretty good choice.
He didn't use his hands while using his RD or germa power so he dint break his "not using hands" rule.
Bro me and you both know queen would not have even come close to wiping out the alliance. At most Jinbe and Brook would have to handle him if Sanji got clapped.
 

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#56
It was more about him not being heartless solider than getting Germa powers.

To Win a fight that if he lost he would be dead and his crew/allies would be dead,putting his friends over hatred he has for family is a pretty good choice.
He didn't use his hands while using his RD or germa power so he dint break his "not using hands" rule.
he didnt broke it by using his hands he broke it by using something other than his feet
 
#59
I'm sorry the same Sanji who is currently only keeping up cause of his mutations given to him by his dad.

Also I hate the he had to fight swordsman argument Cause that not only kills the variety of his fights but also makes no sense considering you get the title by beating Mihawk. What does fighting dudes who genuinely add nothing to his goal do. He can beat a billion swordsman but only Mihawk matters cause he has the title.

The trajectory Zoro has been on has helped him advance as a swordsman more then a duel could considering his opponents are for the most part teaching him to cut anything. He has gone from rocks,steel, mountains and now dragon scales. Plus Zoro can make new moves on the fly or copy other swordsman with ease.

Ps. Bounty hunters meaning nothing in the story is sad to me
 
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