Powers & Abilities Does Sanji move invisible to everyone ?

[Chrono]

Well we all knew this thread was coming, especially based on what Oda said in the last SBS.

Spoiler

R: Odacchi tell me. The mouse "Chuji" that Osome-chan have looks identical to the mouse that Sanji made food for when he was a child! Are they relatives or something?
O: You remember it well-. Sanji's kindness can be seen by the fact that he is liked by mouses. They are not relatives but I felt relieved seeing that Germa hasn't taken Sanji when I saw a mouse identical to the one of that time liking him. However, Sanji has become stronger by "the power of science" that was manifested in his body. He also obtained "the power to disappear" but be relieved, this is something based on speed, he can't use this technique in the bathrooms.

So with this we can see Oda saying that Sanji's top speeds are in general "the power to disappear". This is like the 4th time its been compared to pure invisiblility. (

- First time with HM...it had the invisibility SFX
- Second time it had the invisibility SFX
- Queen called it invisibility with high speeds
- Now this SBS)

However what makes this different than before is that theres no Queen in the picture. Theres no invisible...."but only to Queen" headcannon (usually this headcannon is about all High Tiers tho), but yh Oda genuinely said Sanji's Top Speed = Invisibility.

It kinda makes sense. I dont think Kaido, even though hes far stronger than Queen....would see something Queen couldnt. Queen easily could see Marco....using his strongest (probably fastest attack) and Marco's pretty fast. Can Queen react his body to it...no. However he can still see it. The difference between Kaido would probably be that Kaido could easily react his body to it.

And lets say that even if Kaido can see things Queen can't, we dont know how much faster than Queen's eyesight Sanji is. He can be loads faster. I mean dude is running around the entire room, but he doesnt exist to Queen. Im pretty sure if he ran in straight line...Kaido couldnt see him atleast.

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Either way this is just an observation. Who knows Top Tiers maybe able to see him. But as of now Sanji's speed has no cap....and with Oda constantly comparing to actual invisibility, makes one wonder right. Its not like the Suke Suke Fruit only disappears to one person. It disappears to everyone.

 

[BleakAsh]

Sanji in Women's bathroom

 

[Boiroy]

Doesn't matter what no 4 does

Jinbei can act as a boulder and Sanji gonna get hit.

 

[BleakAsh]

Doesn't matter what no 4 does

Jinbei can act as a boulder and Sanji gonna get hit.

Lol

but if someone like queen was Sent flying miles... i doubt jimbe can do shit to sanji

on top of that his speed aids his strength.. so honestly it's won't be a stretch to say that sanji could break Jimbe's armament with sheer force and DJ

 

[Boiroy]

Lol

but if someone like queen was Sent flying miles... i doubt jimbe can do shit to sanji

on top of that his speed aids his strength.. so honestly it's won't be a stretch to say that sanji could break Jimbe's armament with sheer force and DJ

Jinbei has pure muscle vs Queen was fat.

Muscle is strength, Fat makes you weaker=higher cholesterol n organs get fat.

 

[BleakAsh]

Jinbei has pure muscle vs Queen was fat.

Muscle is strength, Fat makes you weaker=higher cholesterol n organs get fat.

LMAO.. that dino was pure muscle my G..

honestly Jinbe with Coa is like Queen's hybrid..

WsW wasn't that impressive when ut comes to pure strength.. thats where Jinbe whooped his ass... but sanji in that category.. just miles ahead of WsW

 

[Shanal]

He's moving so fast that he can poof, but I don't think he moves so fast that likes of Roger and WB can't see him, for example.

It's about perception and whoever he's up against, pretty much. He's not LITERALLY invisible.

The reason why he can't go invisible in bathrooms is probably because there's not enough room for him to zip around so much that he's invisible lol

 

[Salah WG]

Rayleigh literally trained Luffy on CoO by blindfold him and showed him how to sense without your Eyes

So anyone with Super Hyper Speed can become Invisible to everyone, but they can still sense them with CoO (Such as Rebecca against Hakuba)

Sanji, Hakuba, Soru Technique Users, Hyouzou, Brook, Niji, Luffy, King and many others can become Invisible to everyone

Only one I'm not sure about is Mihawk cuz it seems he saw Luffy in his Gear 2 rather than just sense him, apparently Double-Layered Eyes gives super Eyesight (Mihawk, Imu, Zunisha)

 

[Chrono]

He's moving so fast that he can poof, but I don't think he moves so fast that likes of Roger and WB can't see him, for example.

It's about perception and whoever he's up against, pretty much. He's not LITERALLY invisible.

The reason why he can't go invisible in bathrooms is probably because there's not enough room for him to zip around so much that he's invisible lol

Oda never said its about who hes up against tho. He keeps on comparing it to the likes of the Suke Fruit and the Invisibility RS tech. Things that Sanji wanted...but now hes speed can achieve what they can. Those have the "power to disappear". And we know those things dont discrimnate and are invisible to everyone.

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Rayleigh literally trained Luffy on CoO by blindfold him and showed him how to sense without your Eyes

So anyone with Super Hyper Speed can become Invisible to everyone, but they can still sense them with CoO (Such as Rebecca against Hakuba)

Sanji, Hakuba, Soru Technique Users, Hyouzou, Brook, Niji, Luffy, King and many others can become Invisible to everyone

Only one I'm not sure about is Mihawk cuz it seems he saw Luffy in his Gear 2 rather than just sense him, apparently Double-Layered Eyes gives super Eyesight (Mihawk, Imu, Zunisha)

That was aura sensing training, being able to see attacks with your eyes close or unconciously. Basically sneak attack training.

Ive said this before and I'll say it again. If a person moves faster than your eyes than your body has no chance in hell to react to it.

Your eyes move faster than your body. If your eyes cant see it....your body cant react to that speed. Simple.

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Its always been eye speed >> body speed


If a persons eyes cant react to it. Not matter how great your CoO is, your body is slower than your eyes. You have no chance to react to it.

 

[Shanal]

Oda never said its about who hes up against tho. He keeps on comparing it to the likes of the Suke Fruit and the Invisibility RS tech. Things that Sanji wanted...but now hes speed can achieve what they can. Those have the "power to disappear". And we know those things dont discrimnate and are invisible to everyone.

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That was aura sensing training, being able to see attacks with your eyes close or unconciously. Basically sneak attack training.

Ive said this before and I'll say it again. If a person moves faster than your eyes than your body has no chance in hell to react to it.

Your eyes move faster than your body. If your eyes cant see it....your body cant react to that speed. Simple.

When was it compared to Suke fruit?

Also, we can't ignore how it fundamentally works. It's literally just him zipping around so fast that he appears invsiible. It's like Hakuba to Barto except Sanji has done to far stronger people.

 

[Chrono]

When was it compared to Suke fruit?

Also, we can't ignore how it fundamentally works. It's literally just him zipping around so fast that he appears invsiible. It's like Hakuba to Barto except Sanji has done to far stronger people.

In the SBS. The "power to disappear" is the suke fruit. He also shares the same turning invisible SFX as the Suke Fruit and the RS.

Yh but Hakuba didnt get invisibility comparisons. No invisibility SFX or his speed labled as the "power to disappear"

 

[Shanal]

In the SBS. The "power to disappear" is the suke fruit. He also shares the same turning invisible SFX as the Suke Fruit and the RS.

Yh but Hakuba didnt get invisibility comparisons. No invisibility SFX or his speed labled as the "power to disappear"

He didn't say "Power to display like Suke Suke no Mi"

There's, like, no comparison in regards to Suke Suke no mi.

And it, again, is fundamentally just moving fast enough to vanish.

So basically, if you think he moves so fast that no top tier's eyes can keep up with him no matter how strong or powerful, then he's invisible to "everyone", otherwise no. Even then he's not invisible in actuality, it's just that no one's eyes can "keep up with him"

 

[Chrono]

He didn't say "Power to display like Suke Suke no Mi"

There's, like, no comparison in regards to Suke Suke no mi.

And it, again, is fundamentally just moving fast enough to vanish.

So basically, if you think he moves so fast that no top tier's eyes can keep up with him no matter how strong or powerful, then he's invisible to "everyone", otherwise no. Even then he's not invisible in actuality, it's just that no one's eyes can "keep up with him"

He didnt need to. The power to disappear is the Suke Suke Fruit. No ifs or buts.

Did you forget the SFX thing. Both Shiryu's invisibility SFX and Sanji disappearing SFX....is exactly the same. Thats a comparison.

He is invisible then...cause what can see him as visible ? To every living creature...he isnt visible. So thats invisibility.

 

[VisualKei]

Sanji in Women's bathroom

With RS

 

[Lion of Olympus]

Idk why people even argued against this in the first place, Sanji being as invisible as Queen’s invisibility tech already made this pretty clear lol

 

[BleakAsh]

Idk why people even argued against this in the first place, Sanji being as invisible as Queen’s invisibility tech already made this pretty clear lol

it was obvious that he didn't dissappear.. coz Queen really made a fuss out of it being impossible coz he doesn't have his suit on

 

[sanzolu]

He's moving so fast that he can poof, but I don't think he moves so fast that likes of Roger and WB can't see him, for example.

It's about perception and whoever he's up against, pretty much. He's not LITERALLY invisible.

The reason why he can't go invisible in bathrooms is probably because there's not enough room for him to zip around so much that he's invisible lol

It is not perception my gee he is literally invisible. Not just to queen but to anyone . Can fs user probably know where his attack would come from yes but his invisibility remains the same . And use your head my gee, the reason why he can't use it in the bathroom is bcos he needs to stay at one place and spy on women , what good does it do him if he has to constantly move around he would not catch a glimpse of anything . Remember he is just bouncing of walls and moving so fast to disappear, to keep the invisible mode , he needs to actually keep on moving hence would not see shit . Yall should stop trying to denie his feats , he is now the fastest character next to kizaru

 

[Shanal]

It is not perception my gee he is literally invisible. Not just to queen but to anyone . Can fs user probably know where his attack would come from yes but his invisibility remains the same . And use your head my gee, the reason why he can't use it in the bathroom is bcos he needs to stay at one place and spy on women , what good does it do him if he has to constantly move around he would not catch a glimpse of anything . Remember he is just bouncing of walls and moving so fast to disappear, to keep the invisible mode , he needs to actually keep on moving hence would not see shit . Yall should stop trying to denie his feats , he is now the fastest character next to kizaru

That's not literal invisibility. That's moving so fast that you disappear/vanish from someone's vision.

He didnt need to. The power to disappear is the Suke Suke Fruit. No ifs or buts.

Did you forget the SFX thing. Both Shiryu's invisibility SFX and Sanji disappearing SFX....is exactly the same. Thats a comparison.

He is invisible then...cause what can see him as visible ? To every living creature...he isnt visible. So thats invisibility.

Germa tech is also power to disappear lol. Why specify Suke Suke no Mi.

SFX does not change how Sanji's "invisiblity" works. Light is not passing through his body. Saying he's invisible to every living creature is your opinion.

Like, you're ignoring the fundamental aspect of how his ability works over sfx and use of word invisible all while ignoring context. He's moving so fast that he APPEARS invisible.

Like, Lion's Song entry in literal sense implies Zoro's speed while using it can be unlimited based on how fast his opponent is. Clearly that's not how it works. You're taking things in literal sense while ignoring how the ability works.

Give me one reason to believe that Sanji's speed is so fast that even strongest characters can't follow him with their eyes?

 

[sanzolu]

That's not literal invisibility. That's moving so fast that you disappear/vanish from someone's vision.

Germa tech is also power to disappear lol. Why specify Suke Suke no Mi.

SFX does not change how Sanji's "invisiblity" works. Light is not passing through his body. Saying he's invisible to every living creature is your opinion.

Like, you're ignoring the fundamental aspect of how his ability works over sfx and use of word invisible all while ignoring context. He's moving so fast that he APPEARS invisible.

Like, Lion's Song entry in literal sense implies Zoro's speed while using it can be unlimited based on how fast his opponent is. Clearly that's not how it works. You're taking things in literal sense while ignoring how the ability works.

Give me one reason to believe that Sanji's speed is so fast that even strongest characters can't follow him with their eyes?

What is invisibility my gee??? It's like the English language is confusing you right now??? When you disappear out of sight in a room you become invisible. You are no longer to be seen with the eye. That is why oda in that panel literally pans out to the whole floor to let you see its silent . There is nothing around both queen and sanji had disappeared out of sight . Queen using germa tech to achieve that and sanji using movement speed. He was so fast that even tho he was bouncing of the walls he was basically not producing any sounds . What is there not to understand my gee

 

[Shanal]

What is invisibility my gee??? It's like the English language is confusing you right now??? When you disappear out of sight in a room you become invisible. You are no longer to be seen with the eye. That is why oda in that panel literally pans out to the whole floor to let you see its silent . There is nothing around both queen and sanji had disappeared out of sight . Queen using germa tech to achieve that and sanji using movement speed. He was so fast that even tho he was bouncing of the walls he was basically not producing any sounds . What is there not to understand my gee

This invisibility is perception based, not literal.

Sanji is invisible to someone as long as that certain someone's eyes can't keep up with him.

If he fights someone much stronger and sharper, who's eyes can keep up with the speed, then Sanji will not appear invisible.

In literal invisibility, it has nothing to do with how fast you're moving and if the opponent can keep up with you. You're literally invisible because light passes through you.