Oh good not again this argument. Shishio, you know very well that Luffy is stronger than Zoro and Roger stronger than Rayleigh. The gap is debatable but not the fact that the captain is superior.
You know I never believed in that garbage right?
Currently Luffy is ahead, Zoro was ahead before, overall they are equals.
But one thing I know all of Luffy's supposed "Rivals" turn out to be bitches compared to Zoro
Take smoker
Law
Kidd
I am telling you when Zoro gets his next power up they are back to being equals.
Look at Shanks and Mihawk, they are basically their destinations for this Era
Look at supposed final antagonist Blackbeard shitting pants against Raylegih
Garp was never portrayed as his equal?
So killing someone several times and fighting with him as equals doesn't count?
So on which basis is Zoro equal to Luffy then ?
So few issues
a)Wrong translation
b)Exactly when did that happen, was Roger in his prime, was Garp? Crocodile nearly killed Luffy, Kaido did it too
Zoro and Luffy?
Fought equally
3 Data books
Their Feats
Both having advCoC
Currently Luffy high diffs tho
And when did Garp not have portrayal to Whitebeard?
Also, Ray being called a legend next to WB doesn't mean he's as strong just that both are legends.
So we need to realize Whitebeard in Marine ford was straight up called "Pirate King's only equal/rival" in the war where Garp was present. What does that say of Garp? Not to mention Garp basically announcing Whitebeard as strongest man in the world. How can Garp announce Whitebeard as WSM if he's his equal?
I never saw Shanks doing it.
Again I can give Garp benefit of the doubt but not at the cost of Rayleigh lol
All 6 Old Gen Legends have great portrayal but Sengoku and Shiki just are lacking behind the most that's why VAST MAJORITY of fans don't even put them near Rayeigh.
Now between the big four Roger/Whitebeard are no brianers.
Between Garp and Rayleigh we just have to go by hype.
I am sorry but Rayleigh simply has better hype as of now. I am sorry but he does. Garp hasn't done a damn thing like driving away a Yonko by his mere presence.
I am still open to
Roger ~ Whitebeard ~ Rayleigh ~ Garp > Sengoku > Shiki
But when you say nonsense like Irrelevant Goku > Rayleigh you just tryna piss me off and force me to shit on Garp.
Garp clearly was Roger's equal. You can't kill someone several times and not be his equal. You can't fight equally alongside Roger in his most important battle during their prime and not be his equal (in which he outshined Ray btw). There's absolutely nothing separating Roger and Garp in strength, nothing.
Both Garp and Sengoku were present and thus they kicked Shiki's ass together to minimise the amount of damage. Ray was about to go 2v1 vs Oden, why? Because he wanted to get done with it quickly. Does that mean Oden > Rayleigh?
Outside of Whitebeard, nobody has a claim at being above Garp unless they prove that they can go at it with Roger.
Umm once again almost killing is mistranslation
We don't know what Roger sees Garp as
He wanted Sengoku OR Garp as a fresh challenge
There is
Roger is rival of the Man Garp announced as strongest man in the world.
Garp has not once been called WSM.
But again I am open to Pirate King level Garp as long as you give Rayleigh same respect