Katakuri never had the desire to lead his own crew and become a great pirate tho
The only thing that motivates him is protecting his family
Ace wanted to become a great pirate Captain and refused to fall under anyone including his own brothers at first
He takes one L and falls under Whitebeard immediately
It’s not like his crew died or anything so this isn’t a Moria situation either
Unfortunately this is true
All of these “requirements” of a Conqueror only ever seem to apply to Sanji
The only thing that motivates him is protecting his family
Ace wanted to become a great pirate Captain and refused to fall under anyone including his own brothers at first
He takes one L and falls under Whitebeard immediately
It’s not like his crew died or anything so this isn’t a Moria situation either
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Unfortunately this is true
All of these “requirements” of a Conqueror only ever seem to apply to Sanji
Unfortunately this is true
All of these “requirements” of a Conqueror only ever seem to apply to Sanji
All of these “requirements” of a Conqueror only ever seem to apply to Sanji
Courtesy from the great @Hamlette
What a character not named Sanji needs to get CoC:
What Sanji needs to get CoC:
It simply changed after he lost a fight
His goal was to become a great pirate himself and he gave up on that when he lost to Whitebeard
Why don’t y’all chastise Ace?
That’s like Zoro saying “I don’t want to be the WSS anymore I’ll make Mihawk the WSM instead” after losing to him
Changing your goal is fine but it depends on what spurs that change. Ace changed after taking a loss
Instead of getting back up (his crew didn’t even die btw) and restarting he gave in and decided to make Whitebeard the King instead of himself.
His goal was to become a great pirate himself and he gave up on that when he lost to Whitebeard
Why don’t y’all chastise Ace?
That’s like Zoro saying “I don’t want to be the WSS anymore I’ll make Mihawk the WSM instead” after losing to him
Changing your goal is fine but it depends on what spurs that change. Ace changed after taking a loss
Instead of getting back up (his crew didn’t even die btw) and restarting he gave in and decided to make Whitebeard the King instead of himself.
Luffy and Zoro lost fights and their goals didn’t change
Ace took an L once and switched up quick
Zoro’s dream has nothing to do with beating Mihawk himself
The only reason Zoro cares to beat Mihawk at all is because he’s the one that holds the title currently. If Shiryu beat Mihawk then Zoro would gun for Shiryu instead
The same thing applies to Ace. He targeted Whitebeard because he’s known as the World’s Strongest Man
Defeating him in 1 on 1 combat is an instant ticket to becoming a Great Pirate
It’s the exact same thing
Ace took an L once and switched up quick
Zoro’s dream has nothing to do with beating Mihawk himself
The only reason Zoro cares to beat Mihawk at all is because he’s the one that holds the title currently. If Shiryu beat Mihawk then Zoro would gun for Shiryu instead
The same thing applies to Ace. He targeted Whitebeard because he’s known as the World’s Strongest Man
Defeating him in 1 on 1 combat is an instant ticket to becoming a Great Pirate
It’s the exact same thing
Zoro is not bowing down to Mihawk to abandon his ambition and dream what lol
The bowing shows that Zoro values his captain more than his own pride and dreams, but it doesn't mean that he's giving up on his dream/ambition in that instance, he's just swallowing his pride.
The only time Zoro actively let go of his ambition was in Thriller Bark, when he was prepared to die to save Luffy. But even that wasn't him giving up on it to save himself/live. It was him saying if he can't even protect his captain, then he's not worthy of WSS anyway.
The bowing shows that Zoro values his captain more than his own pride and dreams, but it doesn't mean that he's giving up on his dream/ambition in that instance, he's just swallowing his pride.
The only time Zoro actively let go of his ambition was in Thriller Bark, when he was prepared to die to save Luffy. But even that wasn't him giving up on it to save himself/live. It was him saying if he can't even protect his captain, then he's not worthy of WSS anyway.
His dream isn’t to beat Mihawk that’s a fact
If the World’s Strongest Swordsman title passed to someone else in the story tomorrow then Zoro would challenge him instead of Mihawk
His goal is to become the WSS regardless of who currently holds the title
Do you think Zoro’s journey would end if Mihawk were to die? That’s not how it works
Zoro’s goal is to become the World’s Strongest Swordsman. How can he do that without surpassing the current World’s Strongest?
Ace’s dream isn’t to beat Whitebeard it’s to become a great pirate. The fastest way to achieve that is to defeat the World’s Strongest Man
If the World’s Strongest Swordsman title passed to someone else in the story tomorrow then Zoro would challenge him instead of Mihawk
His goal is to become the WSS regardless of who currently holds the title
Do you think Zoro’s journey would end if Mihawk were to die? That’s not how it works
Zoro’s goal is to become the World’s Strongest Swordsman. How can he do that without surpassing the current World’s Strongest?
Ace’s dream isn’t to beat Whitebeard it’s to become a great pirate. The fastest way to achieve that is to defeat the World’s Strongest Man