You can be a top tier with just haki. You can't be a top tier with just a df. In that sense the statement holds, haki is the base for any relevant fighter.
But yea the statement doesn't hold much weight past that. Results are what matter in the end. Haki alone does not decide fights, never has, never will. If that was the case Oda wouldn't have hyped up Luffy's fruit or BB's fruits. And those are the two most important figures in the verse.
But yea the statement doesn't hold much weight past that. Results are what matter in the end. Haki alone does not decide fights, never has, never will. If that was the case Oda wouldn't have hyped up Luffy's fruit or BB's fruits. And those are the two most important figures in the verse.
"Haki transcends all" doesn't translate to Haki is always supreme. It just means Haki has limitless potential unlike other abilities, which stop growing after a certain level regardless of the user's potential. This difference can only be observed at extreme levels i.e., at the top-tier level to be more specific.
You have Roger, Rayleigh, Oden, Mihawk, Shanks, Garp, etc, all of whom have no devil's fruit power but still made it to the top. But if you look at the devil's fruit users, even the most gifted users with the most overpowered abilities like Whitebeard, Luffy, Blackbeard, Kaido, Akainu, etc, need Haki to complement their capabilities to stand at the top alongside those mentioned earlier.
You have Roger, Rayleigh, Oden, Mihawk, Shanks, Garp, etc, all of whom have no devil's fruit power but still made it to the top. But if you look at the devil's fruit users, even the most gifted users with the most overpowered abilities like Whitebeard, Luffy, Blackbeard, Kaido, Akainu, etc, need Haki to complement their capabilities to stand at the top alongside those mentioned earlier.
Not exactly, Zoro used his strongest pre skip santoryu attack to down Pica, who did shit all.
We don't know the percentages (and for Pica to negate Zoro his haki would have to be far faaar above Zoro's haki + ap anyway) but what we do know is haki wasn't the only factor since his old 3 sword ultimate was involved.
We don't know the percentages (and for Pica to negate Zoro his haki would have to be far faaar above Zoro's haki + ap anyway) but what we do know is haki wasn't the only factor since his old 3 sword ultimate was involved.
Both top tier haki and Top tier DFs are OP.
We have yet to see full power of haki. Remember Roger and Garp are strongest of the strongest only through haki and same can be said for Shanks , ray , Mihawk.
But as we see from Nika awakening , Law's awakening and Kaen hakke they are ridiculously OP
The thing is we have seen more of top tier DFs than haki as Kaido , Luffy , BB , Law , WB , Akainu , Aokiji are all strong DF users and only top tiers to show their abilities.
We will see top tier haki usage soon from shanks I hope and I won't be surprised if next level haki completely negate DFs
We have yet to see full power of haki. Remember Roger and Garp are strongest of the strongest only through haki and same can be said for Shanks , ray , Mihawk.
But as we see from Nika awakening , Law's awakening and Kaen hakke they are ridiculously OP
The thing is we have seen more of top tier DFs than haki as Kaido , Luffy , BB , Law , WB , Akainu , Aokiji are all strong DF users and only top tiers to show their abilities.
We will see top tier haki usage soon from shanks I hope and I won't be surprised if next level haki completely negate DFs
None of what you just said was what I said at all
since you are a bit slow I will state it again .
kaido did not lose because luffy had better haki than him.
None of that implies luffy without haki would have won the clash
what that implies however is that his df also played a massive part in his ability to win. kaido is clearly a more experienced acoc user than luffy is .
katakuri was clearly a better haki user than luffy was .
He won both fights.
since you are a bit slow I will state it again .
kaido did not lose because luffy had better haki than him.
None of that implies luffy without haki would have won the clash
what that implies however is that his df also played a massive part in his ability to win. kaido is clearly a more experienced acoc user than luffy is .
katakuri was clearly a better haki user than luffy was .
He won both fights.