General & Others How disappointed would you be if the M3 didn’t fight Calamities?
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Zoro's fans think that Zoro walking through the new world without breaking a sweat and destroying enemies who are nowhere in his league would make him a good character. In actuality it would make him a mary sue.
It would honestly be great for his character if Zoro got utterly destroyed by Kaido. The fact that the nidai kitetsu is in wano hints as much. The sandai will probably break and I feel like kaido will be the one to break it.
Yes I understand that, but akainu won't be a villain in the final war as the main antagonist of the final war is Imu and Oda will not turn akainu into a blueno type character.
Akainu has so much build up that it would be utter trash if he wasn't the main villain of his own arc.
It would honestly be great for his character if Zoro got utterly destroyed by Kaido. The fact that the nidai kitetsu is in wano hints as much. The sandai will probably break and I feel like kaido will be the one to break it.
Yes I understand that, but akainu won't be a villain in the final war as the main antagonist of the final war is Imu and Oda will not turn akainu into a blueno type character.
Akainu has so much build up that it would be utter trash if he wasn't the main villain of his own arc.
Yes, they do. They have the militaries of the allied nations, they have cipher pol, they could possibly have an army(which is distinctly separate from the navy), and they could have other things like advanced tech or possibly even an ancient weapon. The gorosei could be top tiers in their own right, Imu is most likely the strongest character who has ever lived.
Akainu won't be given the blueno treatment.
Akainu won't be given the blueno treatment.
Akainu is not getting his own arc.
Cipher pol is not enough
The gorosei are 5
What army do they have ?
The wg will be fighting against the rest of the world who ally with luffy luffys side will have so many soldiers every single ally hes made in the story.
The navy will be part of the wg forces like they always are.
Cipher pol is not enough
The gorosei are 5
What army do they have ?
The wg will be fighting against the rest of the world who ally with luffy luffys side will have so many soldiers every single ally hes made in the story.
The navy will be part of the wg forces like they always are.
that doesn't mean that akainu needs to be with them when they fight.
Given how much intel Imu has at his disposal, do you not think its likely that he would try to target Luffy's allies in an attempt to get rid of Luffy once and for all? That's most likely what he did with the alabasta incident, sabo's situation, and the storming of amazon lily.
Given how much intel Imu has at his disposal, do you not think its likely that he would try to target Luffy's allies in an attempt to get rid of Luffy once and for all? That's most likely what he did with the alabasta incident, sabo's situation, and the storming of amazon lily.
We have no idea if Imu is even strong though, and if yes, we dont know if hes EoS Luffy strong, same for Gorosei. If you attack the government then Marines and CP will confront you, plus its a war that will engulf the entire world, so Luffys allies from his entire journey and Revos in all seas will probably participate. In short its gonna be madness, and imo spliting the enemys forces in 2 arcs will take away from the tension and difficulty of that last arc.
Baratie, Drum, Alabasta, maybe Skypeia, Galley-La, FI, Tontana, Dressrosa, Wano, Zou, Elbaf, Okama kingdom, Amazon Lilly and whatever countries the Revolutionary army liberated. This is without possible pirate allies like Law, Bege, possible other SN, Buggy, Shanks unless plot twists occur, possible yonko crews remnants, Crocodile, 5600 members of the Grand Fleet, and probably new allies in the next arcs.
We went through this song and dance before. Zoro getting stomped has already happened. It doesn't add to his character because he's already understood where he stands. He's not some arrogant meathead who needs to be brought down a peg. He recognizes his limits and strives to overcome them constantly.
Kaido murking Zoro accomplishes one thing: Proving how tough Kaido is. Something we already knew. The end result of that being some cathartic, spiteful pleasure from those who can't stand Zoro.
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I mean no, its just that Zoro hasn't really faced defeat in the new world yet. He lost against killer and gyukimaru but he's yet to be straight up overpowered.
We saw in WCI and then again in wano how Luffy getting his ass handed to him has forced him to become far stronger than he used to be. Getting dominated was the driving force behind Luffy unlocking both forms of advanced haki. Zoro has yet to face something similar to Luffy against Cracker or Katakuri, where he's had to use his strongest form and its done absolutely nothing.
Or Luffy vs Kaido where Luffy's full power wasn't even enough to make kaido bleed.
I think if Zoro is ever going to be YC1, let alone top tier, he's going to have to get his ass beat like Luffy did. If he can just stroll through the new world without any sort of adversity, then that would make him a literal mary sue.
being defeated and growing from your failures makes a character interesting. Not having him jump and skip through power levels without ever having to work for it
We saw in WCI and then again in wano how Luffy getting his ass handed to him has forced him to become far stronger than he used to be. Getting dominated was the driving force behind Luffy unlocking both forms of advanced haki. Zoro has yet to face something similar to Luffy against Cracker or Katakuri, where he's had to use his strongest form and its done absolutely nothing.
Or Luffy vs Kaido where Luffy's full power wasn't even enough to make kaido bleed.
I think if Zoro is ever going to be YC1, let alone top tier, he's going to have to get his ass beat like Luffy did. If he can just stroll through the new world without any sort of adversity, then that would make him a literal mary sue.
being defeated and growing from your failures makes a character interesting. Not having him jump and skip through power levels without ever having to work for it
I said killer and gyukimaru. he beat one but couldn't beat two at the same time. But not that it matters.
Zoro jumping and skipping to YC1 without having to actually work to reach that level, like Luffy did by beating Doffy and Cracker would make him a shit character. He'd be a shitty mary sue and I don't know how you could possibly like that.
Zoro jumping and skipping to YC1 without having to actually work to reach that level, like Luffy did by beating Doffy and Cracker would make him a shit character. He'd be a shitty mary sue and I don't know how you could possibly like that.
From zoros perspective he was just fighting killer. At no point when he clashed with killer did he consider the fox an enemy. He even told him wait and had a go at him for attacking. When has zoro ever told an enemy off for attacking him ? He has no issue with a 2 vs 1 when he treats it like one as shown when he held off hybrid kaku and jabra nerfed by ussop.
He bodied both killer and the fox with ease.
Zoro had superior training to luffy he doesnt need the fights because he came back stronger.
He bodied both killer and the fox with ease.
Zoro had superior training to luffy he doesnt need the fights because he came back stronger.
Exactly
People forget that Luffy did NOT power up from his fight with Doffy or Cracker
What Luffy used to beat Doffy or Cracker were what he learned in timeskip.. he did not evolve mid-fight
The only character he evolved against is Katakuri
Basically... The same Luffy in Fishman island is the one who faced Katakuri! Except he revealed all his techniques and evolved mid-fight!
I can see Zoro doing the same with King.. specially with Enma added
Same witb Sanji and RS with Queen
People forget that Luffy did NOT power up from his fight with Doffy or Cracker
What Luffy used to beat Doffy or Cracker were what he learned in timeskip.. he did not evolve mid-fight
The only character he evolved against is Katakuri
Basically... The same Luffy in Fishman island is the one who faced Katakuri! Except he revealed all his techniques and evolved mid-fight!
I can see Zoro doing the same with King.. specially with Enma added
Same witb Sanji and RS with Queen