Powers & Abilities The Only Valid Explanation of Galaxy lmpact..
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Funny how you ignored everything else 
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Since when. And how do you know? There is 0 evidence here to support your claim. AdCoC is black lighting we can confirm this due to numerous panels of said uses sure. But ID CoA makes a black ring if its used with AdCoC? You previously denied the idea of Luffy using ID with AdCoC but now you accepted it and made a baseless confirmation using a panel of a Clash of 2 CoC users...
But maan you forgot that ID = Smokes
But ok ok care to explain this ?
Pre WCI and Wano Luffy uses ID.... and look there is Smokes around Law too 
Luffy and Doffy can both use ID and they created a Black Ring..
Shanks has no "Black Ring" around his attack on Kid.. Shanks has no ID.... wait but he has a sword but there is no smoke ... Oh wait but he is a kickboxer but still no Black Ring 
How about this.. Lets just say that Black Lighting is CoC alright? ok cool but now they can put those Black lightnings around their attacks which makes their weapons or fists or kickboxing leaks of black lightnings as we have seen throughout Wano with Kaido Big Mom Luffy Yamato Zoro and now Shanks and Garp.
So what is the difference here?
CoC black lightnings happens when a user unleashes his CoC on others or in clashes with another user.
AdCoC black lightnings happens on the part of the body the users wishes to charge their attacks of CoC on. Confirmed on panels by many characters.
. Since when. And how do you know? There is 0 evidence here to support your claim. AdCoC is black lighting we can confirm this due to numerous panels of said uses sure. But ID CoA makes a black ring if its used with AdCoC? You previously denied the idea of Luffy using ID with AdCoC
but now you accepted it and made a baseless confirmation using a panel of a Clash of 2 CoC users...But maan you forgot that ID = Smokes
But ok ok care to explain this ?
Pre WCI and Wano Luffy uses ID.... and look there is Smokes around Law too
Luffy and Doffy can both use ID and they created a Black Ring..
Shanks has no "Black Ring" around his attack on Kid.. Shanks has no ID
.... wait but he has a sword but there is no smoke ... Oh wait but he is a kickboxer but still no Black Ring How about this.. Lets just say that Black Lighting is CoC alright? ok cool but now they can put those Black lightnings around their attacks which makes their weapons or fists or kickboxing leaks of black lightnings as we have seen throughout Wano with Kaido Big Mom Luffy Yamato Zoro and now Shanks and Garp.
So what is the difference here?
CoC black lightnings happens when a user unleashes his CoC on others or in clashes with another user.
AdCoC black lightnings happens on the part of the body the users wishes to charge their attacks of CoC on. Confirmed on panels by many characters.
Funny how you ignored everything else .
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Since when. And how do you know? There is 0 evidence here to support your claim. AdCoC is black lighting we can confirm this due to numerous panels of said uses sure. But ID CoA makes a black ring if its used with AdCoC? You previously denied the idea of Luffy using ID with AdCoC but now you accepted it and made a baseless confirmation using a panel of a Clash of 2 CoC users...
but now you accepted it and made a baseless confirmation using a panel of a Clash of 2 CoC users...
But ok ok care to explain this ?
Pre WCI and Wano Luffy uses ID.... and look there is Smokes around Law too
Pre WCI and Wano Luffy uses ID.... and look there is Smokes around Law too
This is mutiple Black Lightning Rings, meaning invsisible CoC diffusing CoA in a CoC Clash..
Nah you are the one ignoring what you can't answer. . Go read it again you will see i am only answering your baseless statements.
again..How do you know this? There is no telling how and when a character is using ID. There is nothing you can prove here.
We only know that Ryuo makes you hurt without touching and you can use ID to hurt their inside but there is nothing to tell on panel no visual.
We only know that AdCoC is huge leakage of black lighting because ever since its revealed all users confirmed using it have the same visual depiction. And we have seen on multiple occasions that you can Touch and not Touch using this ability.
Based on what ?
Isn't more Rings means more Power? I dare you to say this is me deflecting. I am directly asking "Based on what" do you say Rings = AdCoC and ID.
You will ignore this i am sure because you can't prove nothing
. Go read it again you will see i am only answering your baseless statements.again..How do you know this? There is no telling how and when a character is using ID. There is nothing you can prove here.
We only know that Ryuo makes you hurt without touching and you can use ID to hurt their inside but there is nothing to tell on panel no visual.
We only know that AdCoC is huge leakage of black lighting because ever since its revealed all users confirmed using it have the same visual depiction. And we have seen on multiple occasions that you can Touch and not Touch using this ability.
Based on what ?
Isn't more Rings means more Power? I dare you to say this is me deflecting. I am directly asking "Based on what" do you say Rings = AdCoC and ID.
You will ignore this i am sure because you can't prove nothing
In a clash you can now tell based on the story that it will form a black CoA lightning layer on the edge of an AdCoA Ring..
Ryuo can touch or not, it was only not touching for Luffy's practice, while AdCoC is always not touching.. lt was shown many times on big moments introduction such as Luffy, Shanks and Garp.. It won't always be drawn but it's always not touching based on the key explanation in the story..
it's irrelevant, one is diffused invisibly through waves, the other makes an hardened layer of CoA on a single ring AdCoC ring..
And you know youre trying to deflect if your point is not concise i will not respond to it..
Ryuo can touch or not, it was only not touching for Luffy's practice, while AdCoC is always not touching.. lt was shown many times on big moments introduction such as Luffy, Shanks and Garp.. It won't always be drawn but it's always not touching based on the key explanation in the story..
it's irrelevant, one is diffused invisibly through waves, the other makes an hardened layer of CoA on a single ring AdCoC ring..
And you know youre trying to deflect if your point is not concise i will not respond to it..
Ryuo "key explanation" was conveyed to us readers that it is always not touching not just for Luffy's practice.
However AdCoC was NEVER explained to us as to NOT touching.
If you accept that AdCoC won't always be drawn not touching THEN you MUST accept that Ryuo won't always be drawn not touching.
OR just accept that there is no consistency and drop your biased opinion.
Or just a cool affect on panel..... Anyways How do you know this? do you even listen to yourself. You are making statements out of nowhere.
Ok so me giving more info to debunk you is overwhelming for you. Fair..
However AdCoC was NEVER explained to us as to NOT touching.
If you accept that AdCoC won't always be drawn not touching THEN you MUST accept that Ryuo won't always be drawn not touching.
OR just accept that there is no consistency and drop your biased opinion.
Or just a cool affect on panel..... Anyways How do you know this? do you even listen to yourself. You are making statements out of nowhere.
Ok so me giving more info to debunk you is overwhelming for you.
Fair..lt was..
Again misleading, Ryuo was introduced as a defensive or offensive capability so it can or can not touch depending on the application..
AdCoC has been introduced as an offensive ability only and strictly not touching.. No need to focus on the panels drawn outside of the given context..
Red and Black Lightning has been shown multiple times as CoA yet Doffy and Luffy was a CoC Clash.. How so?.. Because the rings represent invisible CoC waves.. This is why according to this notion i came up on another thread with the thought that in this clash Doflamingo also used CoC..
Again misleading, Ryuo was introduced as a defensive or offensive capability so it can or can not touch depending on the application..
AdCoC has been introduced as an offensive ability only and strictly not touching.. No need to focus on the panels drawn outside of the given context..
Red and Black Lightning has been shown multiple times as CoA yet Doffy and Luffy was a CoC Clash.. How so?.. Because the rings represent invisible CoC waves.. This is why according to this notion i came up on another thread with the thought that in this clash Doflamingo also used CoC..
lt was..
Again misleading, Ryuo was introduced as a defensive or offensive capability so it can or can not touch depending on the application..
AdCoC has been introduced as an offensive ability only and strictly not touching.. No need to focus on the panels drawn outside of the given context..
Again misleading, Ryuo was introduced as a defensive or offensive capability so it can or can not touch depending on the application..
AdCoC has been introduced as an offensive ability only and strictly not touching.. No need to focus on the panels drawn outside of the given context..
Ryuo WAS explained by a character. To elaborate more:- It was told to us on how it works and what it does. So defensively or offensively matters not because it was explained to us as in "teaching Luffy" and us on how Ryuo works. The concept was clear. You flow Haki out of your body to push and the next step is to insert your haki in others WITHOUT touching them.
Now look at the 2 panels you provided. Where is the explanation here? There isn't any. We are seeing a reaction of two characters who had no idea what the fk is going on infront of them.
Do you get it now?
Aaah see? now you are getting it. We have no idea what is what.
Before Wano the clashes of CoC had HUGE black lightnings.
During Wano after learning about AdCoC coating. We see the same HUGE black lightnings around the attacks of Kaido BM Luffy Yamato Zoro and now Shanks and finally Garp.
The CoA lightnings are always "as far as i remember" SMALL more like a sparks of lightnings.
This is what i am calling you on now on this thread. Rings are only for show and it should visualize an impact or a clash. Because we have no explanation and only on these 2 occasions we have seen those "Rings".
Remember the Smoke for your Zoro's using ID idea? now your Rings is on the same boat here.
lt was visually explained in it's introductory chapter for the main character of the series..
With visual clues the same for Whitebeard and Roger clash, the same with for Kaido and Luffy, the Same for Big Mom one shotting Page One.. The list goes one with Garp in this chapter and the previous Chapter Shanks..
I'm getting it that you're trying to divert the main argument once more..
Red and Black Lightning is CoA, has shown with the Scabbards, as shown with Ulti..
A CoC clash Red and Black Lightning is Diffused alongside invisibe waves of CoC. That's how it is.. Bring a point
to contest the specific statement instead of meaningless round abouts..
Having no explanation is not an argument to disprove a point.. Manga provide Graphic evidences and Contextual evidences..
I feel i'm arguing with air bruh..
A Black Edge Ring=/=Multiple Invisible Rings
With visual clues the same for Whitebeard and Roger clash, the same with for Kaido and Luffy, the Same for Big Mom one shotting Page One.. The list goes one with Garp in this chapter and the previous Chapter Shanks..
I'm getting it that you're trying to divert the main argument once more..
Red and Black Lightning is CoA, has shown with the Scabbards, as shown with Ulti..
A CoC clash Red and Black Lightning is Diffused alongside invisibe waves of CoC. That's how it is.. Bring a point
to contest the specific statement instead of meaningless round abouts..
Having no explanation is not an argument to disprove a point.. Manga provide Graphic evidences and Contextual evidences..
I feel i'm arguing with air bruh..
A Black Edge Ring=/=Multiple Invisible Rings
It was NOT explained it was just SHOWN to us by Luffy when not touching Kaido. And later on most of their attacks have connected. So in conclusion there is nothing solid or concrete.
((Ryuo WAS explained by a character. To elaborate more:- It was told to us on how it works and what it does. So defensively or offensively matters not because it was explained to us as in "teaching Luffy" and us on how Ryuo works. The concept was clear. You flow Haki out of your body to push and the next step is to insert your haki in others WITHOUT touching them.
Now look at the 2 panels you provided. Where is the explanation here? There isn't any. We are seeing a reaction of two characters who had no idea what the fk is going on infront of them.))
I am getting that you are trying to deflect the main argument yourself again and again.
Before Wano:-
- the clashes of CoC had HUGE black lightnings.
During Wano:-
- after learning about AdCoC coating. We see the same HUGE black lightnings around the attacks of Kaido BM Luffy Yamato Zoro and now Shanks and finally Garp.
The CoA lightnings are always "as far as i remember" SMALL more like a sparks of lightnings.
Nope sorry that is not how it is. Its how you want it to support your biased opinion.
You are the one who is going on a meaningless round abouts of nothing to support your biased opinion. Claiming that "Rings" this and "Smoke" that and "upward" this and diffused that. When there is nothing consistent in the 1st place.
That is true it does not BUT you make it sound like what you suggested is what its supposed to be.
Manga does provide Graphic evidences which you LACK. You found 1 "Thick" Edge ring and now all of the sudden its ID and AdvCoC.
The supposed Ring that Garp unleashed is more like the ones Luffy vs Doffy clash did. So how does that work? LMAO
The only consistent "Graphic Evidence" we have in this arugment is the HUGE black lightning which we see from the confirmed users of CoC and AdvCoC.
If you can't dance "real evidence" with the wind then stop.
((Ryuo WAS explained by a character. To elaborate more:- It was told to us on how it works and what it does. So defensively or offensively matters not because it was explained to us as in "teaching Luffy" and us on how Ryuo works. The concept was clear. You flow Haki out of your body to push and the next step is to insert your haki in others WITHOUT touching them.
Now look at the 2 panels you provided. Where is the explanation here? There isn't any. We are seeing a reaction of two characters who had no idea what the fk is going on infront of them.))
I am getting that you are trying to deflect the main argument yourself again and again.
Before Wano:-
- the clashes of CoC had HUGE black lightnings.
During Wano:-
- after learning about AdCoC coating. We see the same HUGE black lightnings around the attacks of Kaido BM Luffy Yamato Zoro and now Shanks and finally Garp.
The CoA lightnings are always "as far as i remember" SMALL more like a sparks of lightnings.
Nope sorry that is not how it is. Its how you want it to support your biased opinion.
You are the one who is going on a meaningless round abouts of nothing to support your biased opinion. Claiming that "Rings" this and "Smoke" that and "upward" this and diffused that. When there is nothing consistent in the 1st place.
That is true it does not BUT you make it sound like what you suggested is what its supposed to be.
Manga does provide Graphic evidences which you LACK. You found 1 "Thick" Edge ring and now all of the sudden its ID and AdvCoC.
The supposed Ring that Garp unleashed is more like the ones Luffy vs Doffy clash did. So how does that work? LMAO
The only consistent "Graphic Evidence" we have in this arugment is the HUGE black lightning which we see from the confirmed users of CoC and AdvCoC.
If you can't dance "real evidence" with the wind then stop.
Again, it was explained with repetitive verbal and visual cues..
How many times must i keep repeating myself that Red and Black Lightning is CoA?..
You really know what you're doing here..
Garp's Ring was a Single Ring and not in a " Clash "..
Doflamingo and Luffy is Mutiple invisible Rings like Ripples..
It's Completely Different, now tell me how you will distort this once more..
How many times must i keep repeating myself that Red and Black Lightning is CoA?..
You really know what you're doing here..
Garp's Ring was a Single Ring and not in a " Clash "..
Doflamingo and Luffy is Mutiple invisible Rings like Ripples..
It's Completely Different, now tell me how you will distort this once more..
Again, it was explained with repetitive verbal and visual cues..
This is a REACTION.
How many times must i keep repeating myself that Red and Black Lightning is CoA?..
One is HUGE the other is SMALL. You referencing a combined attack from the scabbards is a nice way to sway the subject. Their combined lightnings is huge because its "combined".
And as for the coloring schemes it isn't fully out yet so its not consistent and its not enough evidence. Until we see Luffy's Zoro's Yamato's Big Mom's and Kaido's lightnings in the upcoming chapters we can then decide about the coloring for now this isn't enough. Since most of the AdCoC attacks are still in Black Lightnings only in non colored versions that we have read.
And its not in your favor if Zoro's lightning turns the same colors as Luffy's AdCoC Or heck even a new color entirely.
What will you say then? Oh no Zoro's lightning color is not thick enough? a glitch? a mistake by Oda?
Careful what you say man lol.
a Single Ring multiple rings matters not because its an impact anyways lmao. Compare it to other impact attacks in the entirety of the manga.
Multiple invisible rings like ripples because it is a clash and the impact of the clash is doing that.... Its so simple. Stop being delusional.
That Ring below Garp is an indicator of how impactful that attack is. There is nothing we can deduce to know what techniques were used here. So the overall impact is the result we have. Don't go confirming things that suits your agenda.
Visual and Contextual explanation are explanations given by the manga.. The most important reveal of AdCoC was in chapter 1010.. Both Law and Oden mentioned that Luffy, Roger and Whitebeard were not touching.. They are Narrative clues, explanation, repetitive indications on a reoccurence..
CoC is invsible until AdCoC which becomes Pure Red..
The Red and Black Lightning is CoA..
lt does matter in a Clash..
And an AdCoC + ID CoA Clash is a Single Hardened Ring..
There was no Clash in Garp's Galaxy Impact so that was just to represent the delimitation of AdCoC..
CoC is invsible until AdCoC which becomes Pure Red..
The Red and Black Lightning is CoA..
lt does matter in a Clash..
And an AdCoC + ID CoA Clash is a Single Hardened Ring..
There was no Clash in Garp's Galaxy Impact so that was just to represent the delimitation of AdCoC..
Yes clues that is great you mentioned that. But where is the repetitive indications here? When most of the attacks that have the same exact lightning trails have connected more than "Not Touching".
The same thing i would say here again there is no "repetitive" "enough" panels with coloring to know for sure. For now you are only reaching. And if Zoro's trails turns out to be Red? Then what? This isn't in your favor too .
I am curios to know your thought here. What is the Kamusari of Roger's in this image? is it CoA?
I never said it does not matter as in it does not matter. I meant its an impact either way so its obviously going to look like an impact
1 Panel isn't enough Proof. What if your precious Hardened Ring is Kaido's Magma being pushed by the impact from Luffy's Punch?
Do not confirm things without enough proof.
Say that you are speculating and we might say sure lets see what happens
But don't just go and say "that is how it is" because its not LOL.
The Kamusari was supposed to be Gold then it turned into black/red lightning now what? LOL
There was no clash so the impact effect happened that way to visualize how how Powerful that Punch is and how it spreads out. That is the safest assumption. I won't go out of my way and say (ID + AdCoC + Secret Haki + Fishman Karate) was used in Garp's Punch.
wtf man LOL
CoC is invsible until AdCoC which becomes Pure Red..
The Red and Black Lightning is CoA..
The Red and Black Lightning is CoA..
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I am curios to know your thought here. What is the Kamusari of Roger's in this image? is it CoA?
I never said it does not matter as in it does not matter. I meant its an impact either way so its obviously going to look like an impact
1 Panel isn't enough Proof. What if your precious Hardened Ring is Kaido's Magma being pushed by the impact from Luffy's Punch?
Do not confirm things without enough proof.
Say that you are speculating and we might say sure lets see what happens
But don't just go and say "that is how it is" because its not LOL.
The Kamusari was supposed to be Gold then it turned into black/red lightning now what? LOL
There was no clash so the impact effect happened that way to visualize how how Powerful that Punch is and how it spreads out. That is the safest assumption. I won't go out of my way and say (ID + AdCoC + Secret Haki + Fishman Karate) was used in Garp's Punch.
wtf man LOL
he same thing i would say here again there is no "repetitive" "enough" panels with coloring to know for sure. For now you are only reaching. And if Zoro's trails turns out to be Red? Then what? This isn't in your favor too .
I am curios to know your thought here. What is the Kamusari of Roger's in this image? is it CoA?
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I am curios to know your thought here. What is the Kamusari of Roger's in this image? is it CoA?
Actually the same as Lao G.. lol
As for Roger's Kamusari it's a CoA Based CoC attack.. Similar to the Kuja Arrows but a Swordsman technique from Great Grade Blades and higher..
If you analyse Carefully Kamusari and Roger vs Whitebeard Clash were foreshadowing the next Haki level for each class, the Pirate King path and WSS path..
We already know that Zoro's lightning Trails are Black(CoA)..
Actually the same as Lao G.. lol
As for Roger's Kamusari it's a CoA Based CoC attack.. Similar to the Kuja Arrows but a Swordsman technique from Great Grade Blades and higher..
If you analyse Carefully Kamusari and Roger vs Whitebeard Clash were foreshadowing the next Haki level for each class, the Pirate King path and WSS path..
Actually the same as Lao G.. lol
As for Roger's Kamusari it's a CoA Based CoC attack.. Similar to the Kuja Arrows but a Swordsman technique from Great Grade Blades and higher..
If you analyse Carefully Kamusari and Roger vs Whitebeard Clash were foreshadowing the next Haki level for each class, the Pirate King path and WSS path..
We already know that Zoro's lightning Trails are Black(CoA)..
Actually the same as Lao G.. lol
Actually the same as Lao G.. lol
Lets see them coloring the huge trails.. What would say if they somehow given him a golden color? red? green?
So then in turn the Kamusari is a CoA based attack then? So Shanks Kamusari could be a CoA based attack then? We have no coloring here so how would that go for you if Shanks on Kid turned out to be black and red?
And you are saying that Kamusari is a WSS path since its Sword attack and the clash is a Pirate King Path. But Roger's still used his Sword to clash. So the WSS path can clash wtih PK path? or Roger walks both Paths? And so is Shanks?
