Controversial Marineford Marco vs Rooftop Zoro, who performed better?
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Marco The Phoenix.
Marco was the de-facto leader who essentially controlled all major aspects of the WB pirates commanding role, while Whitebeard was simply more like the overlooker.
Then of course, he took the burden himself (with Vista's help) to become the main focus of attack against the Marine HQ, to try and get his crew to escape somehow.
It's really not even close tbh lol. No pirate underling has ever come close to fulfilling that role since Marco.
Marco was the de-facto leader who essentially controlled all major aspects of the WB pirates commanding role, while Whitebeard was simply more like the overlooker.
Then of course, he took the burden himself (with Vista's help) to become the main focus of attack against the Marine HQ, to try and get his crew to escape somehow.
It's really not even close tbh lol. No pirate underling has ever come close to fulfilling that role since Marco.
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Marco attacked 3 admirals and did 0 damage
Marco defended Whitebeard against 1 top tier attack
Marco defended Luffy from 1 top tier attack
Zoro saved Luffy from Big Mom’s Prometheus attack
Zoro saved Luffy from Kaido
Zoro hurt Kaido several times
Zoro gave Kaido a scar
Zoro saved the entire operation by holding off hakai
Zoro makes Marco look like a chump lol
Marco defended Whitebeard against 1 top tier attack
Marco defended Luffy from 1 top tier attack
Zoro saved Luffy from Big Mom’s Prometheus attack
Zoro saved Luffy from Kaido
Zoro hurt Kaido several times
Zoro gave Kaido a scar
Zoro saved the entire operation by holding off hakai
Zoro makes Marco look like a chump lol
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You think I care?
Zoro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marco.
On a real note.
Marco achieved nothing. Neither of the opponents he tried himself against were crippled/defeated/unable to continue and he couldn't even save Ace.
Zoro saved Rooftop Novas from huge damage from Hakai, took on Kaido with Law before Luffy woke up from resting, and defeated RHm of a Yonko.
Marco will always be that guy who has "cool" panels and that's it.
The actual facts speak in favor of Zoro no matter if you like the guy or not.
Zoro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marco.
On a real note.
Marco achieved nothing. Neither of the opponents he tried himself against were crippled/defeated/unable to continue and he couldn't even save Ace.
Zoro saved Rooftop Novas from huge damage from Hakai, took on Kaido with Law before Luffy woke up from resting, and defeated RHm of a Yonko.
Marco will always be that guy who has "cool" panels and that's it.
The actual facts speak in favor of Zoro no matter if you like the guy or not.
Marco!
Zoro was treated as another henchman
He didn't run the Rooftop AS LEADER
He didn't command anyone or do everything
Law was the one saving everyone ,moving everyone...Luffy the one who did the most as he put Kaido down for minutes and also fought him 1v1 before losing their while the other 4 sent BM away.
Marco led WBP, commanded everyone bar WB & Jozu. Saved many, blocked and attacked every Admiral
Zoro was another underling on the roof
Kid, law and luffy called the shots
Marco was actually calling shots at MFbover anyone bar WB (even Jozu didn't command others really)
Zoro was treated as another henchman
He didn't run the Rooftop AS LEADER
He didn't command anyone or do everything
Law was the one saving everyone ,moving everyone...Luffy the one who did the most as he put Kaido down for minutes and also fought him 1v1 before losing their while the other 4 sent BM away.
Marco led WBP, commanded everyone bar WB & Jozu. Saved many, blocked and attacked every Admiral
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Zoro was another underling on the roof
Kid, law and luffy called the shots
Marco was actually calling shots at MFbover anyone bar WB (even Jozu didn't command others really)
If Marco was doing no damage, then why Kizaru, Aokiji and Akainu didn't counter attack Marco immediately?
WB tried to stab Aokiji, it didn't work, Aokiji counter attacked him, almost was going to stab him if not for Jozu.
Marco kicked Aokiji, break his ice sword, send him flying, Aokiji didn't counter attack Marco immediately.
Kizaru continued to attack after Marco stopped Kizaru's attack for WB (something Mihawk didn't do vs. Jozu) Marco attacked Kizaru and send him flying, Kizaru stopped attacking Marco after that. If Marco's attack was no factor or 0 damage, why Kizaru didn't stay there and kept attacking WB pirates from the sky?
Why Kizaru had to warn Giants about Marco's attack power?
After nerfed Marco attack Akainu, Akainu showed the sign of pain by making a noise, and retreated from attacking Luffy and Ace, if Marco's attack was 0 damage, why Akainu made a noise and why Akainu retreated? When Jinbe attacked Akainu, Akainu didn't make a noise and continued to attack Luffy, and damaged Luffy and Jinbe when Jinbe shielded himself for Luffy.
Marco showed an attack power that threatens the Admirals, if he didn't show that, Admirals would simply keep attacking and ragdolling Marco, Marco would be no factor by only healing himself.
Marco saved Luffy from both Akainu and Aokiji, not just 1 attack.
Marco saved Luffy by ordering Vista to stop Mihawk as well, so that makes 3 times saving Luffy.
Luffy saved Zolo and others from Big Mom's Tenjin.
Luffy saved Zolo and Law from Kaido after Kaido Thunder BaguaED both.
Like the rest of the Rooftop, even Killer.
A little scar after telling Law, Zolo will use everything he has and he will finish and Law needs to save his butt after, by warning him its all on Law after Zolo wasting all of his energy, Zolo was out in the end and needed to drink Mink pee to return back fighting and saved by Luffy.
Luffy with superior CoO warned the team something is coming, and then Law saved Zolo by teleporting him to the place where the Rooftop team escaped when Zolo delayed Hakai for 1 second.
Law also helped Zolo several times when Zolo begged Law to teleport him before even Hakai as well.
If Luffy didn't save Zolo from Kaido, Kaido would keep using Thunder Bagua on Zolo until Zolo shit swords from his ass and even drinking 5 liters Mink pee wouldn't save him.
Delusion.
Luffy and Law saved Zolo's ass several times and Zolo was out without Mink Pee and Lanji carrying him around on his shoulder.
WB or anyone else didn't save Marco, and Marco was still fighting.
Marco wasn't even legitimately defeated in Marineford battle, Zolo needed to be saved by Luffy and needed to drink 10 liters of Mink Pee to recover and fight again. Marco was cheap-shotted from behind and returned to the fight in nerfed condition vs. Akainu and was still fighting back.
WB tried to stab Aokiji, it didn't work, Aokiji counter attacked him, almost was going to stab him if not for Jozu.
Marco kicked Aokiji, break his ice sword, send him flying, Aokiji didn't counter attack Marco immediately.
Kizaru continued to attack after Marco stopped Kizaru's attack for WB (something Mihawk didn't do vs. Jozu) Marco attacked Kizaru and send him flying, Kizaru stopped attacking Marco after that. If Marco's attack was no factor or 0 damage, why Kizaru didn't stay there and kept attacking WB pirates from the sky?
Why Kizaru had to warn Giants about Marco's attack power?
After nerfed Marco attack Akainu, Akainu showed the sign of pain by making a noise, and retreated from attacking Luffy and Ace, if Marco's attack was 0 damage, why Akainu made a noise and why Akainu retreated? When Jinbe attacked Akainu, Akainu didn't make a noise and continued to attack Luffy, and damaged Luffy and Jinbe when Jinbe shielded himself for Luffy.
Marco showed an attack power that threatens the Admirals, if he didn't show that, Admirals would simply keep attacking and ragdolling Marco, Marco would be no factor by only healing himself.
Marco saved Luffy from both Akainu and Aokiji, not just 1 attack.
Marco saved Luffy by ordering Vista to stop Mihawk as well, so that makes 3 times saving Luffy.
Luffy saved Zolo and others from Big Mom's Tenjin.
Luffy saved Zolo and Law from Kaido after Kaido Thunder BaguaED both.
Like the rest of the Rooftop, even Killer.
A little scar after telling Law, Zolo will use everything he has and he will finish and Law needs to save his butt after, by warning him its all on Law after Zolo wasting all of his energy, Zolo was out in the end and needed to drink Mink pee to return back fighting and saved by Luffy.
Luffy with superior CoO warned the team something is coming, and then Law saved Zolo by teleporting him to the place where the Rooftop team escaped when Zolo delayed Hakai for 1 second.
Law also helped Zolo several times when Zolo begged Law to teleport him before even Hakai as well.
If Luffy didn't save Zolo from Kaido, Kaido would keep using Thunder Bagua on Zolo until Zolo shit swords from his ass and even drinking 5 liters Mink pee wouldn't save him.
Delusion.
Luffy and Law saved Zolo's ass several times and Zolo was out without Mink Pee and Lanji carrying him around on his shoulder.
WB or anyone else didn't save Marco, and Marco was still fighting.
Marco wasn't even legitimately defeated in Marineford battle, Zolo needed to be saved by Luffy and needed to drink 10 liters of Mink Pee to recover and fight again. Marco was cheap-shotted from behind and returned to the fight in nerfed condition vs. Akainu and was still fighting back.
If Marco was doing no damage, then why Kizaru, Aokiji and Akainu didn't counter attack Marco immediately?
WB tried to stab Aokiji, it didn't work, Aokiji counter attacked him, almost was going to stab him if not for Jozu.
Marco kicked Aokiji, break his ice sword, send him flying, Aokiji didn't counter attack Marco immediately.
Kizaru continued to attack after Marco stopped Kizaru's attack for WB (something Mihawk didn't do vs. Jozu) Marco attacked Kizaru and send him flying, Kizaru stopped attacking Marco after that. If Marco's attack was no factor or 0 damage, why Kizaru didn't stay there and kept attacking WB pirates from the sky?
Why Kizaru had to warn Giants about Marco's attack power?
After nerfed Marco attack Akainu, Akainu showed the sign of pain by making a noise, and retreated from attacking Luffy and Ace, if Marco's attack was 0 damage, why Akainu made a noise and why Akainu retreated? When Jinbe attacked Akainu, Akainu didn't make a noise and continued to attack Luffy, and damaged Luffy and Jinbe when Jinbe shielded himself for Luffy.
Marco showed an attack power that threatens the Admirals, if he didn't show that, Admirals would simply keep attacking and ragdolling Marco, Marco would be no factor by only healing himself.
Marco saved Luffy from both Akainu and Aokiji, not just 1 attack.
Marco saved Luffy by ordering Vista to stop Mihawk as well, so that makes 3 times saving Luffy.
Luffy saved Zolo and others from Big Mom's Tenjin.
Luffy saved Zolo and Law from Kaido after Kaido Thunder BaguaED both.
Like the rest of the Rooftop, even Killer.
A little scar after telling Law, Zolo will use everything he has and he will finish and Law needs to save his butt after, by warning him its all on Law after Zolo wasting all of his energy, Zolo was out in the end and needed to drink Mink pee to return back fighting and saved by Luffy.
Luffy with superior CoO warned the team something is coming, and then Law saved Zolo by teleporting him to the place where the Rooftop team escaped when Zolo delayed Hakai for 1 second.
Law also helped Zolo several times when Zolo begged Law to teleport him before even Hakai as well.
If Luffy didn't save Zolo from Kaido, Kaido would keep using Thunder Bagua on Zolo until Zolo shit swords from his ass and even drinking 5 liters Mink pee wouldn't save him.
Delusion.
Luffy and Law saved Zolo's ass several times and Zolo was out without Mink Pee and Lanji carrying him around on his shoulder.
WB or anyone else didn't save Marco, and Marco was still fighting.
Marco wasn't even legitimately defeated in Marineford battle, Zolo needed to be saved by Luffy and needed to drink 10 liters of Mink Pee to recover and fight again. Marco was cheap-shotted from behind and returned to the fight in nerfed condition vs. Akainu and was still fighting back.
WB tried to stab Aokiji, it didn't work, Aokiji counter attacked him, almost was going to stab him if not for Jozu.
Marco kicked Aokiji, break his ice sword, send him flying, Aokiji didn't counter attack Marco immediately.
Kizaru continued to attack after Marco stopped Kizaru's attack for WB (something Mihawk didn't do vs. Jozu) Marco attacked Kizaru and send him flying, Kizaru stopped attacking Marco after that. If Marco's attack was no factor or 0 damage, why Kizaru didn't stay there and kept attacking WB pirates from the sky?
Why Kizaru had to warn Giants about Marco's attack power?
After nerfed Marco attack Akainu, Akainu showed the sign of pain by making a noise, and retreated from attacking Luffy and Ace, if Marco's attack was 0 damage, why Akainu made a noise and why Akainu retreated? When Jinbe attacked Akainu, Akainu didn't make a noise and continued to attack Luffy, and damaged Luffy and Jinbe when Jinbe shielded himself for Luffy.
Marco showed an attack power that threatens the Admirals, if he didn't show that, Admirals would simply keep attacking and ragdolling Marco, Marco would be no factor by only healing himself.
Marco saved Luffy from both Akainu and Aokiji, not just 1 attack.
Marco saved Luffy by ordering Vista to stop Mihawk as well, so that makes 3 times saving Luffy.
Luffy saved Zolo and others from Big Mom's Tenjin.
Luffy saved Zolo and Law from Kaido after Kaido Thunder BaguaED both.
Like the rest of the Rooftop, even Killer.
A little scar after telling Law, Zolo will use everything he has and he will finish and Law needs to save his butt after, by warning him its all on Law after Zolo wasting all of his energy, Zolo was out in the end and needed to drink Mink pee to return back fighting and saved by Luffy.
Luffy with superior CoO warned the team something is coming, and then Law saved Zolo by teleporting him to the place where the Rooftop team escaped when Zolo delayed Hakai for 1 second.
Law also helped Zolo several times when Zolo begged Law to teleport him before even Hakai as well.
If Luffy didn't save Zolo from Kaido, Kaido would keep using Thunder Bagua on Zolo until Zolo shit swords from his ass and even drinking 5 liters Mink pee wouldn't save him.
Delusion.
Luffy and Law saved Zolo's ass several times and Zolo was out without Mink Pee and Lanji carrying him around on his shoulder.
WB or anyone else didn't save Marco, and Marco was still fighting.
Marco wasn't even legitimately defeated in Marineford battle, Zolo needed to be saved by Luffy and needed to drink 10 liters of Mink Pee to recover and fight again. Marco was cheap-shotted from behind and returned to the fight in nerfed condition vs. Akainu and was still fighting back.
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This idiotic argument that says "X left Kaidou on the ground for Y time" is pure plot, all the attacks that Luffy used on Kaidou, which by the way managed to knock him down and keep him on the ground for X time, are pure plot. After all, none of those attacks had a greater attack power and penetration than the Over King Kong Gun, and the Over King Kong Gun couldn't even keep Kaidou on the ground for 1 second. So how does that work? The scene in 1010 is pure plot for Law to grab Zoro and get off the roof...
You have cases where Kaidou has less exaggerated reactions to stronger attacks and more exaggerated reactions to weaker attacks, a terrible inconsistency by Oda.
Or we can attribute everything to Kaidou's playful personality, joking around with the food initially like he did with R9, and ultimately, when he returned to his base form, he was actually ready to end the confrontation.
And also, Kaidou's Bagua always targets the opponent's head. Him not hitting Zoro and Law in the head was also pure plot, as they still had a role to fulfill in the war. However, even though he hit Law in a different region of the body, the attack was strong enough to incapacitate Law and make him lose consciousness for X time.
You have cases where Kaidou has less exaggerated reactions to stronger attacks and more exaggerated reactions to weaker attacks, a terrible inconsistency by Oda.
Or we can attribute everything to Kaidou's playful personality, joking around with the food initially like he did with R9, and ultimately, when he returned to his base form, he was actually ready to end the confrontation.
And also, Kaidou's Bagua always targets the opponent's head. Him not hitting Zoro and Law in the head was also pure plot, as they still had a role to fulfill in the war. However, even though he hit Law in a different region of the body, the attack was strong enough to incapacitate Law and make him lose consciousness for X time.