Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1087 Spoilers Discussion

[Roronoa-sama]

 

[OnePiss]

Well Oda clearly portrayed Garp like what he did to Whitebeard and Kaido means he will die

Even if he dies next chapter doesn’t change the fact that Oda has completely fodderised the BB pirates to a joke when we don’t know anything about them. How can we as the reader care for any of them if what people predicted is right and we are getting 1 Vs 1 fights

 

[Roronoa-sama]

What page is that?

vip one piece forum. Oda is the admin and @Lance_Dragonite is one of the modders

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

People are pretending like Old Garp wouldn't manhandle the entire crew bar M3.

Sanji is probably having his leg cracked

U are right M3 ( Luffy / Zoro / Jinbei ) ain't going down ; Luffy with blunt force of Gear 5th ; Zoro's barrier haki ; Jinbei's great defence this is it while others including sanji getting vergoed .

 

[Dark-Abel]

- Kuzan says Garp's strenght is like that of Whitebeard during Marineford

 

[MarineHQ]

U are right M3 ( Luffy / Zoro / Jinbei ) ain't going down ; Luffy with blunt force of Gear 5th ; Zoro's barrier haki ; Jinbei's great defence this is it while others including sanji getting vergoed .

No joke Old Garp may actually beat the crew with Jinbe and Sanji included.

 

[RayanOO]

He was a fodder for an admiral though.

Like always it's within the context of the movie

Just look at his story (i checked the wiki lol)

Z was an admiral at 38
Then 3y later his family was killed and he resigned from admiral position
He then spent 23y just traning young ones as instructor
Then his arm got cut by a pirate and whole squad decimated
Then at 70 he got a mechanical arm
And the man was sick and had breathing problems

By the time Luffy fought him at age 74 he wasn't in his prime at all. The man wasn't in active duty since his 41y.

And Z level was fluctating through the whole movie : could fight Kizaru a little bit in the beginning, then destroyed Luffy, and only in the end Luffy managed to "beat" him. And even after than Z managed to fight thousands marines and tank Kizaru laser spam while staying consicous.

Luffy vs Z was classic Luffy beating someone above his pay grade due to plot/circumstances/nerf etc

 

[sanzolu]

U are right M3 ( Luffy / Zoro / Jinbei ) ain't going down ; Luffy with blunt force of Gear 5th ; Zoro's barrier haki ; Jinbei's great defence this is it while others including sanji getting vergoed .

Tryn to sneak the fat fish in there. Stop being shameless fenaker

 

[mly90]

Shiryu landed the fatal blow that lead to Garp defeat

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I believe WB's endurance is off the charts though. Sickbeard took that stab before any fighting even started and then wasn't slown down by hundreds of stabs, bullet and cannon shots not ignoring the Magma fisting.

Garp doesn't seem to be built like that.

Yes, he doesn't—WB was an endurance monster in his own right. But I think Garp is a better fighter offensively. He did rival Roger and WB back in the day. WB doesn't just have high endurance but he also has planet-wiping offensive prowess. So Garp must've been a monster in offense and other departments to match the monsters that Roger and WB were. This increases Sengoku's stocks too IMO.

 

[MarineHQ]

If he was just here

 

[park_min young]

Even if he dies next chapter doesn’t change the fact that Oda has completely fodderised the BB pirates to a joke when we don’t know anything about them. How can we as the reader care for any of them if what people predicted is right and we are getting 1 Vs 1 fights

Oda’s doing nothing wrong. BBP would still be a threat to the SHs, that doesn’t mean they should be a threat to someone like Garp, and other top-tiers, the established strongest characters in the verse. That would even make little to no sense if Oda sacrifices Garp’s hype for a Franky opponent lol.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

save me nakamas @EmperorKinyagi @MarineHQ

 

[OnePiss]

Oda really fucked up Shiryu for me
Supposed to be goat magellans rival

yet was given one of the worst fruits in OP and is just a backstabbing guy with nothing else about him and now got fodderised

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Stick to nonsense

delete ur account for the 45 time

 

[Dragon777]

Like always it's within the context of the movie

Just look at his story (i checked the wiki lol)

Z was an admiral at 38
Then 3y later his family was killed and he resigned from admiral position
He then spent 23y just traning young ones as instructor
Then his arm got cut by a pirate and whole squad decimated
Then at 70 he got a mechanical arm
And the man was sick and had breathing problems

By the time Luffy fought him at age 74 he wasn't in his prime at all. The man wasn't in active duty since his 41y.

And Z level was fluctating through the whole movie : could fight Kizaru a little bit in the beginning, then destroyed Luffy, and only in the end Luffy managed to "beat" him. And even after than Z managed to fight thousands marines and tank Kizaru laser spam while staying consicous.

Movie levels are always absurd, no point using them (someone said Shiki? Lol).

But Z was a hell of a character.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Shiryu landed the fatal blow that lead to Garp defeat

kuzan vs garp without shiryu

 

[MarineHQ]

Yes, he doesn't—WB was an endurance monster in his own right. But I think Garp is a better fighter offensively. He did rival Roger and WB back in the day. WB doesn't just have high endurance but he also has planet-wiping offensive prowess. So Garp must've been a monster in offense and other departments to match the monsters that Roger and WB were. This increases Sengoku's stocks too IMO.

I believe Sengoku is more well-rounded and not as agressive in a fight.

 

[OnePiss]

Oda’s doing nothing wrong. BBP would still be a threat to the SHs, that doesn’t mean they should be a threat to someone like Garp, and other top-tiers, the established strongest characters in the verse. That would even make little to no sense if Oda sacrifices Garp’s hype for a Franky opponent lol.

No the point is that we know nothing about these BBP from a character or strength point of view and the first thing we see is them getting fucked up in every angle by Laws crew and now Garp manhandelling 4-5 at once.

Why would the reader care for them as opponents anymore

 

[RayanOO]

Movie levels are always absurd, no point using them (someone said Shiki? Lol).

But Z was a hell of a character.

Yeah the levels in movies are always weird and often Luffy has good plot with him to beat down his foes.

Pre skip Luffy beat down fucking Shiki.......