Controversial General Political Discussion

notAfanboy · Jul 20, 2023

Nice attempt there to deflect. The News links are there type them for yourself and see. And regarding Kashmir the crackdown is only on Pakistani forces who want to take Kashmir foe themselves

Article 370 removal saved people lives like these

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Go and ask Genocide Watch to remove this status from their website, genocidal maniac!

What a shame, quoting a case from 1990 (I dont know its credibility) to justify a Genocide!

You keep on managing to dig a new hole for yourself as you debate on this topic.

What about the killing and expulsion of Muslims from Kashmir, 1947 and onward?
They were natives. Or are you going to call them illegal immigrants as well?

Oh, what about "illegal hindu immigrants" in Kashmir?
What about "India going against Indus Water Treaty and making new dams on Pakistani side of rivers?"
What about Indian Raw funding Afghanis to do terrorist operations in Pakistan?

Again, I dont believe religion has anything to do with it.

It is always power politics and fight for resources.

What happened in India, has already happened to Russia, Korea, and other old Empires.

This is not rocket science. You can give it any twist you want.

Tejas · Jul 20, 2023

notAfanboy said:

Go and ask Genocide Watch to remove this status from their website, genocidal maniac!

What a shame, quoting a case from 1990 (I dont know its credibility) to justify a Genocide!

You keep on managing to dig a new hole for yourself as you debate on this topic.

What about the killing and expulsion of Muslims from Kashmir, 1947 and onward?
They were natives. Or are you going to call them illegal immigrants as well?

Oh, what about "illegal hindu immigrants" in Kashmir?
What about "India going against Indus Water Treaty and making new dams on Pakistani side of rivers?"
What about Indian Raw funding Afghanis to do terrorist operations in Pakistan?

Again, I dont believe religion has anything to do with it.

It is always power politics and fight for resources.

What happened in India, has already happened to Russia, Korea, and other old Empires.

This is not rocket science. You can give it any twist you want.[/QUOTE]
News for you about Genocide Watch website:
It is run by Gregory Stanton

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588462644142698498

This is their entire Nexus funded by Soros

notAfanboy · Jul 20, 2023

@Tejas

"Interfaith Relations Can't...": High Court Rejects 'Love Jihad' Claim
A division bench in the order passed on February 26 granted anticipatory bail to the accused who were denied relief by a local court in Aurangabad.

By NDTV

HC Overturns 'Conversion Only for Marriage' Judgment Yogi Had Cited to Justify 'Love Jihad' Law
"Interference in a personal relationship, would constitute a serious encroachment into the right to freedom of choice of the two individuals," the bench said.
Link
Merely Because Boy & Girl Are From Different Religious,It’s Not ‘Love Jihad’: Bombay HC
Link

You can read all of court cases about the so called Love Jihad here

Dont waste my time with your conspiracy theories.

This is by a Hindu author (apparently):

Hindu-Muslim: Facts vs fear: Logic, data belie scaremongering on minorities. Let India be the safe space it’s always been

Link

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Tejas said:

News for you about Genocide Watch website:
It is run by Gregory Stanton

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588462644142698498

This is their entire Nexus funded by Soros

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What about 600,000 Indian troops in Occupied Kashmir?
What about killing of Muslims in 1947 in Kashmir?
What about Indian government supporting Hindus to make houses in Kashmir? And to populate Kashmir with Hindus?

Is Soros also behind all of this?

NAMELESS · Jul 20, 2023

Tejas said:

Forced conversions are forbidden in all three Abrahamic religions,Crusades were wars over certain territories and Jihad has multiple meanings.

Tejas · Jul 20, 2023

notAfanboy said:

@Tejas

"Interfaith Relations Can't...": High Court Rejects 'Love Jihad' Claim
A division bench in the order passed on February 26 granted anticipatory bail to the accused who were denied relief by a local court in Aurangabad.

By NDTV

HC Overturns 'Conversion Only for Marriage' Judgment Yogi Had Cited to Justify 'Love Jihad' Law
"Interference in a personal relationship, would constitute a serious encroachment into the right to freedom of choice of the two individuals," the bench said.
Link
Merely Because Boy & Girl Are From Different Religious,It’s Not ‘Love Jihad’: Bombay HC
Link

You can read all of court cases about the so called Love Jihad here

Dont waste my time with your conspiracy theories.

This is by a Hindu author (apparently):

Hindu-Muslim: Facts vs fear: Logic, data belie scaremongering on minorities. Let India be the safe space it’s always been

Link

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News for you about Genocide Watch website:
It is run by Gregory Stanton

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588462644142698498

This is their entire Nexus funded by Soros

What about 600,000 Indian troops in Occupied Kashmir?
What about killing of Muslims in 1947 in Kashmir?
What about Indian government supporting Hindus to make houses in Kashmir? And to populate Kashmir with Hindus?

Is Soros also behind all of this?

Kashmir was always Hindu before Islamists conducted Genocide. Now for all intents and purposes, Kashmir is an integral part of India. No dispute on that and anyone looking for separation is just on ISI pay roll.

notAfanboy · Jul 20, 2023

Tejas said:

In first half of the 1st millennium, the Kashmir region became an important center of Hinduism, which was followed by Buddhism. Buddhism was taken over by Shaivism in the ninth century. Islam took its roots in Kashmir during 13th to 15th centuries and led to eventual decline of the Shaivism.
The religion came to the region with the arrival of Mir sayed Ali shah Hamdani, a Muslim Sufi preacher from Central Asia and Persia, beginning in the early 14th century.

"They were Hindus, but they accepted Islam".

Again, it is a regional issue.

Has Muslim majority countries threatened to attack India and kill Hindus?
Like Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikstan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Oman, etc?

Zenos7 · Jul 20, 2023

notAfanboy said:

Except for sex slavery

notAfanboy · Jul 20, 2023

Zenos7 said:

Are you or your ancestors were sex slaves?

Zenos7 · Jul 20, 2023

Tejas said:

Please let me know what you people think about these verses

Surah 2:221: “Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.”

9:5: “And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.”

3:151: “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.

9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” (“People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews.)

9:73: “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”

48:29: “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves”

AL AZL

Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah be pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-‘azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

There's a video from Northern Iraq that shows ISIS terrorists quoting Quran (4:22) that actually allows slavery of women!

A loose translation of it, "Even if the kafir women is married then too it isn't haram, but if her husband accepts islam and comes to take his wife then return her"

Yeah the couple peaceful verses muslims cherry pick are abrogated by this stuff.

Thereis also no defense context in surah 9, very popular lie though.

Then this shit is supported by mainstream hadith as well

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notAfanboy said:

How is that relevant?

Not impossible though

Tejas · Jul 20, 2023

notAfanboy said:

In first half of the 1st millennium, the Kashmir region became an important center of Hinduism, which was followed by Buddhism. Buddhism was taken over by Shaivism in the ninth century. Islam took its roots in Kashmir during 13th to 15th centuries and led to eventual decline of the Shaivism.
The religion came to the region with the arrival of Mir sayed Ali shah Hamdani, a Muslim Sufi preacher from Central Asia and Persia, beginning in the early 14th century.

"They were Hindus, but they accepted Islam".

Again, it is a regional issue.

Has Muslim majority countries threatened to attack India and kill Hindus?
Like Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikstan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Oman, etc?

Hindus were forced violently into Islam not voluntary Conversion

notAfanboy · Jul 20, 2023

Zenos7 said:

Because it was old practice in Arab.

Most modern Muslims, both scholars and laypersons, believe that Islam no longer accepts concubinage and that sexual relations are religiously permissible only within marriage. Concubinage was a custom practiced in both pre-Islamic Arabia and the wider Near East and Mediterranean.
Muslim scholars debated whether it was permissible to have concubines, and if so, how many. The majority of pre-modern Islamic scholars accepted the institution of concubinage. However, some scholars dissented. Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, a twelfth century Shafi'i scholar, believed the Quran allows sexual relations only with one's wife.[45] The Qaramati sect rejected both concubinage and polygamy as contrary to Islam,[46] as did the Fatimid Al-Hakim.[47] The Zaidiyyah considered concubinage distasteful but did not reject it.[48] Some academics claim that the Kharijis rejected concubinage, but this claim has been disputed.[49]

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Tejas said:

Did you even read the text?

In first half of the 1st millennium, the Kashmir region became an important center of Hinduism, which was followed by Buddhism. Buddhism was taken over by Shaivism in the ninth century.

Why you skipped to Islam?
Lmao

People are free to choose their religion.
Go on and make a law in India that only Hindus are allowed have Indian citizenship.
It will be much easier for you. These mental gymnastics are starting to sound absurd.

NAMELESS · Jul 20, 2023

Admiral Maynard said:

The Abrahamic religions are 'modern' considering homo sapiens have been around for ~100,000 years.
As angry as Abrahamic monotheistic supremacy makes me, religious and cultural conquest was in no way invented by them.

It's a general human problem to believe that one's own ways are superior and others are uncivilized, stupid, infidels etc..

Rare Solis W

notAfanboy · Jul 20, 2023

Tejas said:

Why the silence on Love Jihad now?
Lol, you have thousand excuses to justify violance against minorities.
I have only one word to describe your situation: Desperate

Tejas · Jul 20, 2023

notAfanboy said:

Because it was old practice in Arab.

Most modern Muslims, both scholars and laypersons, believe that Islam no longer accepts concubinage and that sexual relations are religiously permissible only within marriage. Concubinage was a custom practiced in both pre-Islamic Arabia and the wider Near East and Mediterranean.
Muslim scholars debated whether it was permissible to have concubines, and if so, how many. The majority of pre-modern Islamic scholars accepted the institution of concubinage. However, some scholars dissented. Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, a twelfth century Shafi'i scholar, believed the Quran allows sexual relations only with one's wife.[45] The Qaramati sect rejected both concubinage and polygamy as contrary to Islam,[46] as did the Fatimid Al-Hakim.[47] The Zaidiyyah considered concubinage distasteful but did not reject it.[48] Some academics claim that the Kharijis rejected concubinage, but this claim has been disputed.[49]

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Did you even read the text?

In first half of the 1st millennium, the Kashmir region became an important center of Hinduism, which was followed by Buddhism. Buddhism was taken over by Shaivism in the ninth century.

Why you skipped to Islam?
Lmao

People are free to choose their religion.
Go on and make a law in India that only Hindus are allowed have Indian citizenship.
It will be much easier for you. These mental gymnastics are starting to sound absurd.

Hinduism and Buddhism were just coexisting with debate and discussion. It was Islam that brought sword and blood with itself

notAfanboy · Jul 20, 2023

Tejas said:

Tell me you are Islamophobic without telling me you are Islamophobic.

Text; Islamic preachers came to India and Islam spread through them

Tejas: But ... but... sword and blood

Tejas · Jul 20, 2023

notAfanboy said:

No. You are dead wrong.
Islam came through invaders and they were nothing more than violent barbarians incensed by the cult and had divine sanction of the Caliphate to eliminate tge Kaafir

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notAfanboy said:

Who is silent in Love Jihad? I have already provided the data of 2022. Check the links for yourself

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For those who want to know about Kashmir

Zenos7 · Jul 20, 2023

notAfanboy said:

Most modern Muslims, both scholars and laypersons, believe that Islam no longer accepts concubinage and that sexual relations are religiously permissible only within marriage. Concubinage was a custom practiced in both pre-Islamic Arabia and the wider Near East and Mediterranean.
Muslim scholars debated whether it was permissible to have concubines, and if so, how many. The majority of pre-modern Islamic scholars accepted the institution of concubinage. However, some scholars dissented. Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, a twelfth century Shafi'i scholar, believed the Quran allows sexual relations only with one's wife.[45] The Qaramati sect rejected both concubinage and polygamy as contrary to Islam,[46] as did the Fatimid Al-Hakim.[47] The Zaidiyyah considered concubinage distasteful but did not reject it.[48] Some academics claim that the Kharijis rejected concubinage, but this claim has been disputed.[49]

most modern muslims dont believe the earth is flat. so?

sex slavery is a thing in the quran, even if some modern scholars reject it.

i mean, its a good thing modern muslims reject this, all the power to them.

MonochromeYoru · Jul 20, 2023

Peroroncino said:

Seatonnes · Jul 20, 2023

MonochromeYoru said:

get a room

notAfanboy · Jul 20, 2023

Tejas said:

Had Islam spread by sword, not a single Hindu would have survived in India today’, Karnataka ex- speaker Ramesh Kumar

Speaking at the event held on last Sunday (September 26), the ex speaker and five-time Congress MLA, Kumar said “If the Muslim rulers had forcibly spread Islam in this country during their 800 years of rule, not a single Hindu would have been left in India today”.

‘Muslim and British during their respective rule never declare India as Islamic state or a Christian state’

Give me a credible link with a court case where the judge declared it as Love Jihad. Lmao, I am not clicking on those spam links.

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