Current Events What reputation was the most damaged? Garp or Kuzan?
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I mean Garp fighting sn admiral and a Yonkou crew was iight but for the guy who was busting up Roger at one point Oda could do better. But the title of this thread is my point. There was no real winner. Only both people stood to lose. I mean Luffy was going to destroy Noah so garp hitting battleship bags just doesn't cut the cake. Also we already knew what he did to mountain for warm up. Still we can imagine in his prime his best punches were probably taking up half the island.
Comparing this to the old man from toriko who was probably inspired by garp had way better showing. Also compared to the dominate that Kaidou showed or even big mom walking straight through earth. Plus what stopped garp from just leaving the island through Skywalk.
Not that good Oda. Was just Oda trying to deliver on the coby being admiral potential.
Comparing this to the old man from toriko who was probably inspired by garp had way better showing. Also compared to the dominate that Kaidou showed or even big mom walking straight through earth. Plus what stopped garp from just leaving the island through Skywalk.
Not that good Oda. Was just Oda trying to deliver on the coby being admiral potential.
Oda did the exact same thing with Garp as he did with Whitebeard, nerf him to the ground and have everyone gang up on him in order to make it believable that he could lose.
Obviously Garp didn't get whitebeard level portrayal, however it did seem pretty clear that Garp was on another level to Aokiji, and a prime garp would have shredded him.
Obviously Garp didn't get whitebeard level portrayal, however it did seem pretty clear that Garp was on another level to Aokiji, and a prime garp would have shredded him.
Yep. A lot of these topics tend to just devolve into childish trolling (the usual suspects are already at it in the comments.)
Besides that, it’s pretty much what you’d expect given Oda’s playbook.
- It’s Garp’s last hurrah so he makes him succeed in the rescue op.
- the old legend character gets stabbed in a sneaky way to save face.
- the student growing to be similar in power to the teacher.
- the fake suspense to make it seem Kuzan is nefarious in taking out his teacher when anyone with half a brain knows he isn’t really evil.
- highlighting the potential of the next generation.
It’s basically textbook
Besides that, it’s pretty much what you’d expect given Oda’s playbook.
- It’s Garp’s last hurrah so he makes him succeed in the rescue op.
- the old legend character gets stabbed in a sneaky way to save face.
- the student growing to be similar in power to the teacher.
- the fake suspense to make it seem Kuzan is nefarious in taking out his teacher when anyone with half a brain knows he isn’t really evil.
- highlighting the potential of the next generation.
It’s basically textbook
Garp
Disappointed:
-DC = being paralleled with Coby is brutal. Almost felt Don Sai, King's punch level in scale, nothing too impressive here.
I'm not sure if he disappointed in endurance, majority of this fight was offpanel and he seemed to have taken many many hits, plus he's not a logia so I don't expect him to brush off attacks as easily to begin with.
Shined:
-Speed = He absolutely shit on Old WB in this department. Getting whatever he wanted off against a much younger Kuzan, WB couldn't touch the Admirals.
Kuzan
Disappointed:
-Reaction speed = He was getting tagged far too easily. I expected better from him, but he may have been faltering as pointed out by Garp multiple times.
Shined:
-Striking/punching power = This came out of absolutely left field, no one could have guessed he would be about even in a fistfight against Dfless legend Garp the Fist.
This fight simply suffered from off-panel piece. Both Garp and Kuzan suffered a bit from that. Garp in his endurance, an illusion that he took like 4 attacks total. Kuzan in his ability to land and do damage. We know off panel these things happened, but Oda didn't bother showing them.
The biggest takeaways: Old Garp can gain the upperhand against Kuzan, but ultimately a Kuzan that is not going all out, will still handle him. (This is reminiscent of Smoker vs Vergo in that sense, with Garp being Smoker in this situation).
Worth pointing out Garp could not deal with the commanders nearly as well as Aokiji could. I didn't list this as a disappointment because I didn't expect him to deal with them as easy as an Ice Logia Aokiji to begin with, but he was still a tad underwhelming there. Drunk Kuzan neg diffs 90% of them by simply raising his voice, Garp could have taken atleast 1 down with him.
Conclusion:
If you factor in Kuzan wavering, and being extremely conservative with his fighting style, he came out looking absolutely monstrous. As no one expected Kuzan to be on par with Garp in a fist fight heading into this, his bread and butter should not be strictly a fistfight and he was being soft. Then it would be Garp who disappointed more here.
If you ignore Kuzan wavering, and also believe this was him fighting to his full capabilities (that he drops his df and becomes a boxer only). Then he didn't come out looking as great, even if he was able to box with Garp, because one too many times was he shown at the mercy of Garp on panel. Even if this means he still defeats Garp, my expectations for him are far too high for this.
Disappointed:
-DC = being paralleled with Coby is brutal. Almost felt Don Sai, King's punch level in scale, nothing too impressive here.
I'm not sure if he disappointed in endurance, majority of this fight was offpanel and he seemed to have taken many many hits, plus he's not a logia so I don't expect him to brush off attacks as easily to begin with.
Shined:
-Speed = He absolutely shit on Old WB in this department. Getting whatever he wanted off against a much younger Kuzan, WB couldn't touch the Admirals.
Kuzan
Disappointed:
-Reaction speed = He was getting tagged far too easily. I expected better from him, but he may have been faltering as pointed out by Garp multiple times.
Shined:
-Striking/punching power = This came out of absolutely left field, no one could have guessed he would be about even in a fistfight against Dfless legend Garp the Fist.
This fight simply suffered from off-panel piece. Both Garp and Kuzan suffered a bit from that. Garp in his endurance, an illusion that he took like 4 attacks total. Kuzan in his ability to land and do damage. We know off panel these things happened, but Oda didn't bother showing them.
The biggest takeaways: Old Garp can gain the upperhand against Kuzan, but ultimately a Kuzan that is not going all out, will still handle him. (This is reminiscent of Smoker vs Vergo in that sense, with Garp being Smoker in this situation).
Worth pointing out Garp could not deal with the commanders nearly as well as Aokiji could. I didn't list this as a disappointment because I didn't expect him to deal with them as easy as an Ice Logia Aokiji to begin with, but he was still a tad underwhelming there. Drunk Kuzan neg diffs 90% of them by simply raising his voice, Garp could have taken atleast 1 down with him.
Conclusion:
If you factor in Kuzan wavering, and being extremely conservative with his fighting style, he came out looking absolutely monstrous. As no one expected Kuzan to be on par with Garp in a fist fight heading into this, his bread and butter should not be strictly a fistfight and he was being soft. Then it would be Garp who disappointed more here.
If you ignore Kuzan wavering, and also believe this was him fighting to his full capabilities (that he drops his df and becomes a boxer only). Then he didn't come out looking as great, even if he was able to box with Garp, because one too many times was he shown at the mercy of Garp on panel. Even if this means he still defeats Garp, my expectations for him are far too high for this.
