General & Others OPEN

Which of these options do you think is the most likely for OPEN not being used?

  • Option 2 - Sukuna is too prideful to use it

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  • Option 6 - none of the above (state your reason/s in the comments)

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#1
I believe every JJK fan has at least some interest in finding out what OPEN is as well as if it's Sukuna's actual CT, some augmentation, or whatever. It's also been quite popular recently with the battle between Gojo and Sukuna, and no OPEN being used as of yet. We all have our headcanons on why, some more agenda driven, some less, but yeah.


So in this thread, I'll try to compile some of these and have like 5 options for why OPEN has not been used yet. I'll try to order them from the least likely to the most likely, with number 5 being an exception, because although it's possible, I'd like to have more faith in the writing ability of Akutami.



1. OPEN is more difficult to use than Mahoraga.

Except we've seen Sukuna use OPEN twice now and all it required of him to do was say OPEN and weave some signs and that was it.

What's more, the second time we've seen it being used against Mahoraga, it seems like Sukuna didn't even have to weave any handsigns, tho it's still possible he did but we just didn't see them.


Nonetheless, nothing here seems remotely difficult at all. And definitely nothing as difficult and as intricate as summoning Mahoraga's wheel and hiding it in the shadows and having it adapt to a technique.




2. Sukuna is too prideful to use it.

Except, as showcased above, Sukuna is no stranger to using OPEN. He used it against Jogo and Mahoraga, both infinitely (get it ๐Ÿ˜Ž) weaker than Satoru Gojo.

Furthermore, why would he be too prideful to use, ostensibly, his own power? Yes, he didn't use it against Yorozu, but that's because his goal was to completely destroy Megumi Fushiguro and his soul by having him kill his sister using his own cursed technique.

Furthermore, in the latest two chapters we've seen Sukuna rely on the 10s, namely Mahoraga, and utilize it in a sneaky albeit genius way, by hiding it in the shadows so not even Satoru is aware it is out. But by the sheer fact that he is using a power that is not his own, and devising a sneaky but brilliant plan on how to use it kinda denotes that he is not above using such things. Moreover, using a borrowed power is something that would make you less proud than using your own.

Not to mention that this is the same guy that was fine with deceiving Kurusu and exploiting her emotions towards his vessel at the time Megumi in order to trick her and survive


Finally, deliberate or accidental, a plan or a failsafe, getting your ass kicked, your domains destroyed, holes blown in you and more, is not something someone who is too prideful would allow especially if he already had something far easier to use that could work.





3. Sukuna is a retard.

Plain and simple. We've established above that Sukuna is not above using tricks or other means if necessary in order to achieve victory.

And it's quite clear he's one of the smartest if not the smartest guy in JJK when it comes to fighting, and more.

He's keeping Megumi's face on to cause trauma, and because he knows that no matter what false bravado Satoru says, deep down he's still tryna rescue Megumi, which was confirmed in the latest chapter.

He's one of the two people known thus far that was able to achieve an open barrier domain, which is thought of as being impossible.

Was able to ostensibly replenish his CT akin to Gojo after seeing it only once, although it's possible he could do it beforehand too
Not to mention that he was also capable of learning how to become a cursed object after having Kenny's help once.

Tinkering with the 10s and not giving the Shiki a standard form but making them much better defensively and preventing complete destruction

Using Mahoraga's wheel on himself so he can transfer the adaptability to Mahoraga immediately and not risk having it destroyed

And like I said above, plan or a failsafe, using the wheel and keeping it hidden like that, is a genius plan and use of strategy and not something a retard would come up with. So we've been shown that Sukuna is possible the individual with the highest battle IQ in the verse, alongside Satoru Gojo. Why would someone like that go full retard and risk everything if he could already do the same or worse just by chanting OPEN?



And this leads me to my next point.



4. Nothing from/in OPEN works on Gojo Satoru. As simple as that. Nothing that Sukuna has in OPEN, that's ostensibly stored there or whatever, can bypass infinity and work on Gojo Satoru. Because as we've established, OPEN is fairly easy to use, Sukuna is a battle genius, and not a tard, is not too prideful, and if OPEN could work on Gojo there'd be no reasons not to use it.






Now coming to number 5. Practically the only argument for why OPEN hasn't been used that could make sense to me. And that's pretty simple too. This is a shonen manga. OPEN could be left as a surprise factor for shock value. But like I said above at the beginning of this post, I'd like to believe Gege is above that and not the typical hack writer like the likes of Oda. Because not only would that be rather anticlimactic, it would also kinda make point 3 true and demean Sukuna and his character as we know it. Like imagine, yeah you know I had this OPEN shit that required me saying OPEN and weaving some signs and it could have worked but I didn't use it till now for reasons unknown.




Of course I would like to hear your thoughts as well, so please do share them.


 
#2
Imo Because Open isn't a Sure-Hit Technique Like Cleave and Dismantle on Domain Expansion, He wouldn't use it on Gojo since he is on Limitless or his barrier was on. It was kinda meaningless attack in the end if it doesn't bypass the barrier anyway, so..
 

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#3
I agree.

Unless demonstrated that Fire Arrow isnt piercing through Infinity, just like none of Jogo's techniques did.

When Gojo was defenseless inside MS twice, Sukuna could've used it but maybe he just preferred to use his Domain, something he regards as the pinnacle of Jujutsu.
 
#4
I believe every JJK fan has at least some interest in finding out what OPEN is as well as if it's Sukuna's actual CT, some augmentation, or whatever. It's also been quite popular recently with the battle between Gojo and Sukuna, and no OPEN being used as of yet. We all have our headcanons on why, some more agenda driven, some less, but yeah.


So in this thread, I'll try to compile some of these and have like 5 options for why OPEN has not been used yet. I'll try to order them from the least likely to the most likely, with number 5 being an exception, because although it's possible, I'd like to have more faith in the writing ability of Akutami.



1. OPEN is more difficult to use than Mahoraga.

Except we've seen Sukuna use OPEN twice now and all it required of him to do was say OPEN and weave some signs and that was it.

What's more, the second time we've seen it being used against Mahoraga, it seems like Sukuna didn't even have to weave any handsigns, tho it's still possible he did but we just didn't see them.


Nonetheless, nothing here seems remotely difficult at all. And definitely nothing as difficult and as intricate as summoning Mahoraga's wheel and hiding it in the shadows and having it adapt to a technique.




2. Sukuna is too prideful to use it.

Except, as showcased above, Sukuna is no stranger to using OPEN. He used it against Jogo and Mahoraga, both infinitely (get it ๐Ÿ˜Ž) weaker than Satoru Gojo.

Furthermore, why would he be too prideful to use, ostensibly, his own power? Yes, he didn't use it against Yorozu, but that's because his goal was to completely destroy Megumi Fushiguro and his soul by having him kill his sister using his own cursed technique.

Furthermore, in the latest two chapters we've seen Sukuna rely on the 10s, namely Mahoraga, and utilize it in a sneaky albeit genius way, by hiding it in the shadows so not even Satoru is aware it is out. But by the sheer fact that he is using a power that is not his own, and devising a sneaky but brilliant plan on how to use it kinda denotes that he is not above using such things. Moreover, using a borrowed power is something that would make you less proud than using your own.

Not to mention that this is the same guy that was fine with deceiving Kurusu and exploiting her emotions towards his vessel at the time Megumi in order to trick her and survive


Finally, deliberate or accidental, a plan or a failsafe, getting your ass kicked, your domains destroyed, holes blown in you and more, is not something someone who is too prideful would allow especially if he already had something far easier to use that could work.





3. Sukuna is a retard.

Plain and simple. We've established above that Sukuna is not above using tricks or other means if necessary in order to achieve victory.

And it's quite clear he's one of the smartest if not the smartest guy in JJK when it comes to fighting, and more.

He's keeping Megumi's face on to cause trauma, and because he knows that no matter what false bravado Satoru says, deep down he's still tryna rescue Megumi, which was confirmed in the latest chapter.

He's one of the two people known thus far that was able to achieve an open barrier domain, which is thought of as being impossible.

Was able to ostensibly replenish his CT akin to Gojo after seeing it only once, although it's possible he could do it beforehand too
Not to mention that he was also capable of learning how to become a cursed object after having Kenny's help once.

Tinkering with the 10s and not giving the Shiki a standard form but making them much better defensively and preventing complete destruction

Using Mahoraga's wheel on himself so he can transfer the adaptability to Mahoraga immediately and not risk having it destroyed

And like I said above, plan or a failsafe, using the wheel and keeping it hidden like that, is a genius plan and use of strategy and not something a retard would come up with. So we've been shown that Sukuna is possible the individual with the highest battle IQ in the verse, alongside Satoru Gojo. Why would someone like that go full retard and risk everything if he could already do the same or worse just by chanting OPEN?



And this leads me to my next point.



4. Nothing from/in OPEN works on Gojo Satoru. As simple as that. Nothing that Sukuna has in OPEN, that's ostensibly stored there or whatever, can bypass infinity and work on Gojo Satoru. Because as we've established, OPEN is fairly easy to use, Sukuna is a battle genius, and not a tard, is not too prideful, and if OPEN could work on Gojo there'd be no reasons not to use it.






Now coming to number 5. Practically the only argument for why OPEN hasn't been used that could make sense to me. And that's pretty simple too. This is a shonen manga. OPEN could be left as a surprise factor for shock value. But like I said above at the beginning of this post, I'd like to believe Gege is above that and not the typical hack writer like the likes of Oda. Because not only would that be rather anticlimactic, it would also kinda make point 3 true and demean Sukuna and his character as we know it. Like imagine, yeah you know I had this OPEN shit that required me saying OPEN and weaving some signs and it could have worked but I didn't use it till now for reasons unknown.




Of course I would like to hear your thoughts as well, so please do share them.


Mahoraga is the easiest path to victory, though not necessarily the only path to victory. If Sukuna didnโ€™t have Mahoraga, he would have planned a different strategy.
 

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#5
Imo Because Open isn't a Sure-Hit Technique Like Cleave and Dismantle on Domain Expansion, He wouldn't use it on Gojo since he is on Limitless or his barrier was on. It was kinda meaningless attack in the end if it doesn't bypass the barrier anyway, so..
I agree.

Unless demonstrated that Fire Arrow isnt piercing through Infinity, just like none of Jogo's techniques did.

When Gojo was defenseless inside MS twice, Sukuna could've used it but maybe he just preferred to use his Domain, something he regards as the pinnacle of Jujutsu.
Yeah like I said I believe option 4 aka OPEN simply can't touch Gojo is the most likely one. However, I cannot disregard it just being shock value no matter how much I'd like Gege being above that. But as of now, 4 is still the most likely.



Mahoraga is the easiest path to victory, though not necessarily the only path to victory. If Sukuna didnโ€™t have Mahoraga, he would have planned a different strategy.
No not really. If OPEN bypasses infinity there's no reason to involve Mahoraga. We've seen how strong the fire arrow is. It would do a lot of damage especially if it would always connect. Not to mention that Satoru probably wouldn't even try to guard against it the first time which would create a big impact and advantage for Sukuna.

It's heavily implied that Sukuna has been using the wheel from around the time Gojo made his domain extra small. Even if he had been using it since the start both of these imply the same things. And those are that Sukuna isn't confident in his ability to beat Gojo on his own and that there is nothing in his arsenal that can touch Gojo, DA and DE aside. That's why he opted for Mahoraga. Especially if he started using the wheel after Gojo shrank his domain. He saw DA wasn't doing anything practically and DE amounted to being countered by Gojo's RCT, and then the shrinking made it easier for Gojo to maintain it longer, leading to him whooping Sukuna on the inside and the domains shattering at the same time.



I think that's the most logical way. But like I said above I won't be that surprised if it's just shock value at the end even though I'd be disappointed by the hack Gege would become lol. But as of now, using Occam's razor too, number 4 seems to be the most likely one.
 

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#7
I'll only read the thread after responding, and the simple answer is, Open wouldn't bypass Inifinity. Sukuna's only option was to use it when Gojo lost his CT when his domain was destroyed the first time, and he didn't use the opportunity.
 
#8
Option 4, obviously. There's nothing that can get through infinity unless you're in a Domain Battle with Gojo, using Domain Amplification, or Mahoraga.
 
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#9
The biggest take away is Sukuna is that he hasnt fully mastered JuJutsu - its evident in his hand seals as stated "The mastery of jujustsu can be said to be the master of subtraction"

in this battle alone we can see the difference in Gojo v Sukuna hand signs - Sukuna always having to use both hands for both 10s and MS - "Open" from what weve seen is a 2hand sign plus combination of it so it probably takes too much time to activate against Gojo as he can literally teleport and just blitz him before.
 

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The biggest take away is Sukuna is that he hasnt fully mastered JuJutsu - its evident in his hand seals as stated "The mastery of jujustsu can be said to be the master of subtraction"

in this battle alone we can see the difference in Gojo v Sukuna hand signs - Sukuna always having to use both hands for both 10s and MS - "Open" from what weve seen is a 2hand sign plus combination of it so it probably takes too much time to activate against Gojo as he can literally teleport and just blitz him before.
It's absolutely crazy that Satoru Gojo is the only domain user we've seen that uses one hand for the expansion. No one else in the manga, to my knowledge, uses only one hand.

The things this guy does at the age of only 29. :crazwhat:
 

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It's absolutely crazy that Satoru Gojo is the only domain user we've seen that uses one hand for the expansion. No one else in the manga, to my knowledge, uses only one hand.

The things this guy does at the age of only 29. :crazwhat:
well if we look at from his mastery over 6E/LL hes constantly using nonstop so he has complete control over CE/CT - when Yuta stated he has twice as much CE than Gojo but Gojo will never run out of CE its cause he uses the most minimal of CE, he omits the least amount of moves to pull off any technique so his skill level is leaps and bounds ahead of Sukunas.

but what we have noticed is on panel he also has yet to use blue or purple since the fight has actually begun except for purple in the first speed blitz on Sukuna so its safe to say it goes both ways as Red only uses one hand as well. While Simple Domain and Falling Blossom were both activated as we have seen Miwa and Naobito. So the same laws apply to Gojo but i assume we can see these being used against Maho more so Blue since it can also be used with one or two hands.


"Yuta has stated that the Six Eyes allows Satoru to reduce his cursed energy consumption from technique activation infinitesimally near to nothing, and that he will never run out of cursed energy in a fight as a result."
 

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well if we look at from his mastery over 6E/LL hes constantly using nonstop so he has complete control over CE/C
That is correct.

when Yuta stated he has twice as much CE than Gojo
Wait, Yuta stated Sukuna has twice as much as Yuta himself at least. Yuta stated that he only has more CE than Gojo but not how much.

ojo will never run out of CE its cause he uses the most minimal of CE, he omits the least amount of moves to pull off any technique
"Yuta has stated that the Six Eyes allows Satoru to reduce his cursed energy consumption from technique activation infinitesimally near to nothing, and that he will never run out of cursed energy in a fight as a result."
Yup that's true

o his skill level is leaps and bounds ahead of Sukunas.
Tbf Sukuna also uses just a cutting motion for cleave and dismantle, so I am not sure Satoru's skills are that much ahead of Sukuna's.


but what we have noticed is on panel he also has yet to use blue
Gojo's been using blue quite a lot in the fight. Even in the latest chapter
All of those are instances of him using blue on way or another. The last two are from the latest chapter. There might be more but these are just off the top of my head.

r purple since the fight has actually begun except for purple in the first speed blitz on Sukuna so its safe to say it goes both ways as Red only uses one hand as well
As for purple you could maybe argue it takes more time I guess.

But then again we've seen Gojo utilize it rather quickly every time it was used. And it's always with one hand too.

First time against Toji

When he was threatening Suguru

Against Hanami


Agenda talk now: He's not using purple so he doesn't accidentally kill Sukuna before saving Megumi :sadgrin:


While Simple Domain and Falling Blossom were both activated as we have seen Miwa and Naobito. So the same laws apply to Gojo but i assume we can see these being used against Maho more so Blue since it can also be used with one or two hands.
As for these it's well basically stated Gojo never had to use them so he didn't really try to polish them I guess.
 
#13
Why wouldn't fire arrow work on Gojo when he is recharging his CT? No limitless hax. I think it would be about same to red. Maybe better. It did outmatch the literal fire/volcano curse.
 

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Why wouldn't fire arrow work on Gojo when he is recharging his CT? No limitless hax. I think it would be about same to red. Maybe better. It did outmatch the literal fire/volcano curse.
gojo also called him weak whil sukuna called him strong....
 
#15
gojo also called him weak whil sukuna called him strong....
15 finger Sukuna... After negging him...

That was just to make home feel a bit better or whatever.


But, that doesn't matter at all in this context though.

Gojo has his hax when he fought Jogo. The scenario I explained is a Gojo that's RCT healing his CT. No limitless. He won't be able to infinity his way out of that one. Arrow would do significant damage.

But Sukuna was purposely not using anything other than shrine as explained by Gojo himself.
 

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Why wouldn't fire arrow work on Gojo when he is recharging his CT? No limitless hax. I think it would be about same to red. Maybe better. It did outmatch the literal fire/volcano curse.
Wait you really think OPEN is more difficult to use than hiding and adapting Mahoraga and its wheel or is it just cope? Because if it's the former lol.
 

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#18
That's a joke vote Lebastian :kriwhat:
Took a screenshot and when OPEN doesn't work Imma hand you the L again :noo:




Btw not that I mind, but you can take off the avy. It was 5 days lol. Unless you've finally awoken to the truth and faaaaaaaaacts.
 
#19
Took a screenshot and when OPEN doesn't work Imma hand you the L again :noo:




Btw not that I mind, but you can take off the avy. It was 5 days lol. Unless you've finally awoken to the truth and faaaaaaaaacts.
I'm wearing it out of choice. Until Sukuna shows his greatness again and washes away the Maho merchant accusations, I'll bear this avi :endthis:
 

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