Then what's the difference between using s*x toys, mast***tion, and such activities?
All of this is not natural.

Some hunters uselessly kill animals (not for food) and say they find pleasure and happiness in doing so. The question is, where we should draw a line to stop seeking pleasures?
There is no end to this.
What about pedos? 🤮🤮🤮
Maybe they also have a justification for their behavior?
well, sex toys are clearly made by humans, so they are not natural. sure.

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Maybe they also have a justification for their behavior?
its kinda fascinating how you still not get how im not justifying anything.

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I imagine so? It happens outside in nature
Homosexuality is a natural occurring phenomena in many species,but we can't use other animals as a standard to measure our behavior.Some animals survive eating rotten things for example.Humans cant do that.Therefore what is natural for a specific specie maybe not be for others.It is a relative concept.Homosexuality has being considered a deviant behavior in most societies since recorded times(im not implying its good or bad here).Its is HUMAN to use sex for fun and REPRODUCTION.Homosexuals are failing natural selection since ever,therefore their supposed "gay genes" are probably rare.If that is so,how come there are a lot of gay people nowadays?What science say about this:
*Hormonal problems can change ones sexual tastes.
*Loneliness and lack of sexual partners from the opposite sex can cause it too.
*Psychological trauma can also do so.
*Social conditioning and cultural norms play a role(ancient greeks).
*Some individuals don't fit the above and are gay for unknown reasons.
I would say the explosion of homosexuality in the modern day era is caused by social engineering.
These are my takes on this.
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also,i'm getting tired of talking about these topics.
 
If you are not justifying, you are not refuting it either.
exactly, im just making an observation whether it occurs in nature or not. i was never justifying or advocating for homosexuality here. and i fully agree its not normal or typical behavior in sexually reproducing species. but based on the definition
it is natural because it is not man-made but exists in nature. and it persists despite it not resulting in reproduction (not necessarily the case in humans, some homosexuals have like alibi marriages and have kids and whatnot), which is a fairly interesting phenomenon.
 
exactly, im just making an observation whether it occurs in nature or not. i was never justifying or advocating for homosexuality here. and i fully agree its not normal or typical behavior in sexually reproducing species. but based on the definition

it is natural because it is not man-made but exists in nature. and it persists despite it not resulting in reproduction (not necessarily the case in humans, some homosexuals have like alibi marriages and have kids and whatnot), which is a fairly interesting phenomenon.
Culture can produce homosexuality too.Human sexuality is plastic.In Ancient Greece it was very common due to cultural reasons.
 

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Homosexuality is a natural occurring phenomena in many species,but we can't use other animals as a standard to measure our behavior.Some animals survive eating rotten things for example.Humans cant do that.Therefore what is natural for a specific specie maybe not be for others.It is a relative concept.Homosexuality has being considered a deviant behavior in most societies since recorded times(im not implying its good or bad here).Its is HUMAN to use sex for fun and REPRODUCTION.Homosexuals are failing natural selection since ever,therefore their supposed "gay genes" are probably rare.If that is so,how come there are a lot of gay people nowadays?What science say about this:
*Hormonal problems can change ones sexual tastes.
*Loneliness and lack of sexual partners from the opposite sex can cause it too.
*Psychological trauma can also do so.
*Social conditioning and cultural norms play a role(ancient greeks).
*Some individuals don't fit the above and are gay for unknown reasons.
I would say the explosion of homosexuality in the modern day era is caused by social engineering.
These are my takes on this.
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also,i'm getting tired of talking about these topics.
Tldr please
 
*Hormonal problems can change ones sexual tastes.
*Loneliness and lack of sexual partners from the opposite sex can cause it too.
*Psychological trauma can also do so.
*Social conditioning and cultural norms play a role(ancient greeks).
*Some individuals don't fit the above and are gay for unknown reasons.
I would say the explosion of homosexuality in the modern day era is caused by social engineering.
hormonal problems could also be natural again, so that doesnt help. the rest is possible for sure. some people are just gay though.

the higher rate of homosexuals could also have something to do with it being easier to admit nowadays.
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Culture can produce homosexuality too.Human sexuality is plastic.In Ancient Greece it was very common due to cultural reasons.
sure. emphasis on "too"
 
Ok, you are gone completely into freudian territory, this is uninteresting for me.
Nice dodge.

exactly, im just making an observation whether it occurs in nature or not. i was never justifying or advocating for homosexuality here. and i fully agree its not normal or typical behavior in sexually reproducing species. but based on the definition

it is natural because it is not man-made but exists in nature. and it persists despite it not resulting in reproduction (not necessarily the case in humans, some homosexuals have like alibi marriages and have kids and whatnot), which is a fairly interesting phenomenon.
We have different views about what is natural.

Lets agree to disagree.
 
hormonal problems could also be natural again, so that doesnt help. the rest is possible for sure. some people are just gay though.

the higher rate of homosexuals could also have something to do with it being easier to admit nowadays.
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sure. emphasis on "too"
I disagree with that is it standard and intrinsic of human nature to be born with diseases and disorders?no,therefore not natural.
 
hormonal problems could also be natural again, so that doesnt help. the rest is possible for sure. some people are just gay though.

the higher rate of homosexuals could also have something to do with it being easier to admit nowadays.
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sure. emphasis on "too"
yeah absolutely,closet gays are rare nowadays.
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with modern medicine and infrastructure we have rendered natural selection obsolete for mankind anyway?!
lol no we have not.The people that are not adapting well to modern conditions are all ending up lonely.
 
Yes. Hypothetical. Just to show you that planet don't come in pairs. You are trying to put symbolism on nature, its completely unscientific.
You mentioned hypothetical scenario, which means not scientifically proven yet.
But you went on to say your claims are unscientific.
Based on this contradiction you are what I said above.
Dont say stupid shit and expect others to call you a genius.
 
I disagree with that is it standard and intrinsic of human nature to be born with diseases and disorders?no,therefore not natural.
it is natural to be born with disorders, diseases, defects of all kinds, die before being born, die while being born, etc.

the mother dying is also fairly natural. and its still not rare despite modern medicine. but it improved alot already.

there is shitload of gruesome stuff thats natural.
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yeah absolutely,closet gays are rare nowadays.
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lol no we have not.The people that are not adapting well to modern conditions are all ending up lonely.
sure, i guess. but alot of people that are reproducing wouldnt be alive if not for modern medicine.
 
Yes and this is wrong. scientifically because it confuses sex and gender. But that's not surprising, usually academic books of that type are quite slow to catch up with reality, we have this problem in France.
it doesnt confuse sex and gender at all. it just uses sex as a basis. because using gender is meaningless

You are trying to put symbolism on nature, its completely unscientific.
pretty much this
 
you mean i am using the dictionary definition while you are putting some moral judgemental spin on it. yes thats happening
Bro, pedos can also get away by saying it is natural. Instinctive desires are natural, does it mean they get a pass?

Stop it.

You are unbiased? Can you say the same thing about pedos?

It is about seeking pleasure.
Hunters who uselessly kill animals do it for pleasure.
Homosexuals do it for pleasure.
Pedos do it for pleasure.

My question is, where should we draw a line?

What's wrong with moral judgement spin? Is it bad? If so, why?
Do you support immoral activities?
 
You mentioned hypothetical scenario, which means not scientifically proven yet.
But you went on to say your claims are unscientific.
Based on this contradiction you are what I said above.
Dont say stupid shit and expect others to call you a genius.
Sure mate :)
buddy,seek attention elsewhere.
Sure mate :)


it doesnt confuse sex and gender at all. it just uses sex as a basis. because using gender is meaningless
Let's agree to disagree.
 
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