Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

It was actually by Lenin lol.

Karl Marx was a communist tho,

That is best take

It is end goal, the extreme.

Marx is father of socialism - socialism we use today in normal measure

The Communist Manifesto
1848 political publication by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels
Its called the communist Manifesto,not the socialist manifesto lmfao
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.britannica.com/topic/communism/Marxian-communism

 

[Adam 🍎]

Unless you live under a socialist society I doubt it. All what you described is totally doable under a capitalist society. As Karl Marx described, irrc Marxism is the complete dismantling of capitalism

It is doable bcs capitalist societies adopted socialist ideas. A golden middle was found, hence why now you can have healthcare and all that without all drawbacks of communism or capitalism

Marxs final goal was socialist utopia but as we know utopias never really work out

 

[Zenos7]

And is democracy of 1940 same as democracy of 21st century?

I said - Democracy we have today, not democracy we had in 1940's

werent you guys talking about french revolution though?

 

[NAMELESS]

Still remember reading marx theories in every damn subject - geography, sociology, political science, administration


Such a pain in ass he was lol

School would be so much better if we didnt have to deal with that shit.Somehow they even managed to sneak sociology classes in my chemistry curriculum back in college

 

[Adam 🍎]

werent you guys talking about french revolution though?

French revolution is 18th century bruh not 1940 post fall of France in ww2

I said - Democracy we have today is very dif than democracy Greeks had

 

[Roo]

It is doable bcs capitalist societies adopted socialist ideas. A golden middle was found, hence why now you can have healthcare and all that without all drawbacks of communism or capitalism

Marxs final goal was socialist utopia but as we know utopias never really work out

Oh I was just pointing out that Marxism is communism/socialism. If you showed him some western country he would still hate it, bitch and moan about not being a true socialist society

 

[Zenos7]

French revolution is 18th century bruh not 1940 post fall of France in ww2

ofc its not 1940, that was my original point. that it still took so long for women to get the right to vote, i.e. be different from ancient greek democracy, at least according to the examples you gave.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Oh I was just pointing out that Marxism is communism/socialism. If you showed him some western country he would still hate it, bitch and moan about not being a true socialist society

Capitalism before socialist ideas was quite literally slave ownership. You would work and sleep in factory, if your arm got chopped of by a machine they would fire you and give no money as a form of "sorry" Hence why Marx advocated for change, for workers to get better rights.

I think it was Bismarck that introduced pensions or hazard pay, not sure, but it was bcs he caved in and gave socialist ideas to fund his armies and conquest

 

[NAMELESS]

Capitalism before socialist ideas was quite literally slave ownership. You would work and sleep in factory, if your arm got chopped of by a machine they would fire you and give no money as a form of "sorry" Hence why Marx advocated for change, for workers to get better rights.

I think it was Bismarck that introduced pensions or hazard pay, not sure, but it was bcs he caved in and gave socialist ideas to fund his armies and conquest

Bismarck introduced such stuff.

 

[Adam 🍎]

ofc its not 1940, that was my original point. that it still took so long for women to get the right to vote, i.e. be different from ancient greek democracy, at least according to the examples you gave.

IDK why you are so hung up on france in 1940's

I quite literally said - democracy we have today - we are in 2023 not 1940's. And we are even so much different from that - racism, women rights and so on which in return make us vastly dif than Greeks before 2000 years

 

[NAMELESS]

IDK why you are so hung up on france in 1940's

I quite literally said - democracy we have today - we are in 2022 not 1940's. And we are even so much different from that - racism, women rights and so on which in return make us vastly dif than Greeks before 2000 years

we are in 2023 lol

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IDK why you are so hung up on france in 1940's

I quite literally said - democracy we have today - we are in 2023 not 1940's. And we are even so much different from that - racism, women rights and so on which in return make us vastly dif than Greeks before 2000 years

he edited that lol

 

[Roo]

Capitalism before socialist ideas was quite literally slave ownership. You would work and sleep in factory, if your arm got chopped of by a machine they would fire you and give no money as a form of "sorry" Hence why Marx advocated for change, for workers to get better rights.

I think it was Bismarck that introduced pensions or hazard pay, not sure, but it was bcs he caved in and gave socialist ideas to fund his armies and conquest

Well that’s not today so lol

 

[Adam 🍎]

Well that’s not today so lol

ofc, because we introduced socialism and capitalism and took best of both and form what we have today. Otherwise we would slave around 12 hours a day

 

[Zenos7]

IDK why you are so hung up on france in 1940's

I quite literally said - democracy we have today - we are in 2023 not 1940's. And we are even so much different from that - racism, women rights and so on which in return make us vastly dif than Greeks before 2000 years

French Revolution quite literally caused movement of pro democratic ideas across Europe and the world, destruction of Holy Roman Empire and for first time unifying Europe lmfao

It is bcs of French revolution you have democracy in brazil

It is because of the French revolution that we have to deal with bullshit left x right wing stuff.Democracy has being a thing since ancient Greece for fucks sake.The ideas of intellectuals that lived around the time of the french revolution inspired Marx to write the book that has caused the most bloodshed in recent history.American revolutionaries achieved freedom despite bloodshed,the french did not.

 

[Roo]

ofc, because we introduced socialism and capitalism and took best of both and form what we have today. Otherwise we would slave around 12 hours a day

Maybe, but that is still capitalism. Capitalism is a lot more flexible than socialism. A welfare state is still a capitalist state, a socialist state with private ownership is impossible.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Maybe, but that is still capitalism. Capitalism is a lot more flexible than socialism. A welfare state is still a capitalist state, a socialist state with private ownership is impossible.

ofc it is. I am not arguing that, all I am saying is that we today use same rights Marx advocated for.

 

[Bob74h]

Carnivorous animals for example are fed with live prey if they are to be reintroduced to the wild.

oh so they would then understand how to hunt in such a case then
Suppose that makes sense

Some animals dont really have predators to worry about, like the european bison, which also has a stable population again thanks to reintroducing them to the wild. Pandas were also reintroduced to help the small wild population iirc.

Most have predators

even lions are killed by crocs sometimes

Most important aspect is the ability to acquire food items and not be fixated on humans though.

Fixation on humans in the wild would get you killed by a poacher so yea that makes sense to me

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Hot take, you should have to pass a polygraph if you want to buy a gun.

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i think you should be of a certain moral character if you want to own a weapon.

Specifically, I don’t believe that nazis or other people with violent ideologies deserve the right to bear arms.

We shouldn’t need to wait until a nazi commits a mass shooting before we take his guns. Nazis shouldn’t have access to guns, period.

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a lot of conservatives will argue “but the left calls anyone a nazi”. Imo the definition is very clear:

• If you sympathize with Adolf Hitler
• if you harbor extreme resentment against Jews, Muslims, or racial minorities.
• If you don’t believe the Holocaust happened
• if you support explicitly fascist causes(ex. The KKK)
• If you have a strongly held belief in the superiority of your race

You’re a nazi. You’re a dangerous person. And you shouldn’t be allowed to have access to firearms.

 

[Bob74h]

a lot of conservatives will argue “but the left calls anyone a nazi”. Imo the definition is very clear:

• If you sympathize with Adolf Hitler
• if you harbor extreme resentment against Jews, Muslims, or racial minorities.
• If you don’t believe the Holocaust happened
• if you support explicitly fascist causes(ex. The KKK)

Yea but people will like carrot
will deadass think ben sharpiro are nazis


so such a policy is bound to get abused by people with clear biases

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Specifically, I don’t believe that nazis or other people with violent ideologies deserve the right to bear arms.

so would antifa be not allowed to carry fire arms

 

[Monkey D Theories]

so would antifa be not allowed to carry fire arms

Sure, but I don’t believe antifa has ever done a mass shooting

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Yea but people will like carrot
will deadass think ben sharpiro are nazis


so such a policy is bound to get abused by people with clear biases

The thing is, there is zero ambiguity in the case of nazi terrorists. It’s not people who just support trump or vote Republican.

It’s dudes with swastika tattoos that openly declare their admiration of Hitler.

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these people are assholes

Exodus 22:20
(20) You shall not wrong or oppress a stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.