No, I am speaking of ACTUAL things that are happening, Nika. Jewish missing persons photos are being torn down in London by Islamists. People have been shouted at, and jeered, and harassed by Islamic followers because they dared try to insinuate that Hamas was a terrorist organisation.

If you CANNOT see this, or more accurately, wilfully ignore the bad actors in your community, sect, or "tribe" then you are morally defunct and are standing on a foundation of lies and immorality.

This belongs here because it's intrinsically tied to the debate. You cannot obfuscate or deflect. I am not making a strawman. These are instances that are easily found online. You just wish to dismiss them because they are unfortunate truths that you do not wish to confront.

You are not justice.

You are not righteousness.

A person who actually cared would tackle all sides. They would call out bad actors in their communities and rally against the atrocities committed against them. You do part two, but part one? Silence.
You get what you give. It's that simple, I'm sorry. No one is willing to respect people who don't respect them. When Israel and their allies dehumanize Palestinians and call them all terrorist animals and tear apart their property, steal their homes, kill their children, you brag about it and say it's justified. When a person tears down a poster you cry crocodile tears and say the antisemites are coming. How should I care? If you think it's bad when you call hamas terrorists, you should see how bad people get treated when they call Israel fascist.
 
"Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell after death. (Quran 2:85)"
That's the distinction between religions. I am not acting a religious missionary here. Did I say join Islam if you want to go to heaven?

"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (Quran 2:191)"
If you have more questions or doubts, feel free to ask.


Explanation:
As already explained briefly in the opening remarks, the verse 191, that is, وَاقْتُلُوهُمْ حَيْثُ ثَقِفْتُمُوهُمْ وَأَخْرِ‌جُوهُم (And kill them; wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out...), was revealed after the happening at Hudaybiyyah حُدیبیہ at a time when the Holy Prophet ﷺ decided, in accordance with the condition agreed upon in the Peace Treaty of Hudaybiyyah حُدیبیہ ، to embark on a journey to Makkah to perform the qada' قضاء of ` Umrah along with his Companions, something he was stopped from doing a year before by the disbelievers of Makkah. The noble Companions ؓ ، on the eve of this projected journey, had started to worry about the disbelievers who could not be trusted upon in a peace treaty. If they chose to be aggressive, as they did a year before, what option are they going to take? Thereupon, the words used in the present verse gave them the permission to meet the challenge of their aggression and kill them where they find them. And if they could, it was permissible for them to drive the disbelievers out from where they had driven the believers out.

And I have been reading Quran since I was 8-9 years old, or maybe even younger than this.
 
You get what you give. It's that simple, I'm sorry. No one is willing to respect people who don't respect them. When Israel and their allies dehumanize Palestinians and call them all terrorist animals and tear apart their property, steal their homes, kill their children, you brag about it and say it's justified. When a person tears down a poster you cry crocodile tears and say the antisemites are coming. How should I care?
No. Both sides hate each other. It's NOT just the Palestinians who are victims.
 
Lol all you want, but I have committed time to theological study as well as the academic. Islam portrays itself as the religion of peace, but it is peace through war and conversion. It is peace through compulsion. It is antithetical to democracy.

All the peaceful verses you can quote are easily countered by verses that encourage violence against those who do not believe or violate the scripture.

Much like it takes years to build something but seconds to destroy it, years of peace can be nullified by one act of heinous violence. Islam cannot be the religion of peace if it ever endorses the opposite: and it does.



I have quote the last part in a previous comment. But yes, it was his way of asserting authority depending on his needs at the time.
Lol
 
Baseless assumptions. Im actually well educated on this lol. Im not even voicing my own opinions, im describing what mainstream sunni islam teaches, based on mainstream sahih hadith and tafsirs. And the tafsirs usually dont align with the mental gymnastics of people like you who try to pretend there are no problematic teachings, whether that be about violence/war or straight scientific errors lmao.

You're welcome
I am a Sunni Muslim myself, ask from me. And tell me what you have learned about my religion?
 
You have wrong idea about my faith.

You are not a religious expert. Have you read Quran yourself?


This is one verse from top of my head:

If the enemy is inclined towards peace, make peace with them. And put your trust in Allah. Indeed, He ˹alone˺ is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
8:61


https://quran.com/en/al-anfal/61


What you guys do is, take one verse and write a book on it. Why dont you take other verses into account?
The Zionist cult's whole deal is they know better than YHWH and can go behind his back and trick him and he'll forgive them because they're his chosen people. That's how they treat Judaism, by picking and choosing what they want and writing new books while ignoring everything else, so it's no surprise that's how they view other religions.
 
I am a Sunni Muslim myself, ask from me. And tell me what you have learned about my religion?
Why are you talking with a clown, that has already outed himself as a racist when saying that muslims are stealing british culture.
Oh, btw, he is an immigrant himself, but he doesn't see himself as a threat to the above mentioned culture because of course, he is better than them.
Classic kick the ladder behaviour.
Posting in a clown thread.
 
You get what you give. It's that simple, I'm sorry. No one is willing to respect people who don't respect them. When Israel and their allies dehumanize Palestinians and call them all terrorist animals and tear apart their property, steal their homes, kill their children, you brag about it and say it's justified. When a person tears down a poster you cry crocodile tears and say the antisemites are coming. How should I care? If you think it's bad when you call hamas terrorists, you should see how bad people get treated when they call Israel fascist.
By this logic Americans should not give a fuck about Palestinians since they cheered the 9/11 attacks
 
That's the distinction between religions. I am not acting a religious missionary here. Did I say join Islam if want to go to heaven?


If you have more questions or doubts, feel free to ask.


Explanation:
As already explained briefly in the opening remarks, the verse 191, that is, وَاقْتُلُوهُمْ حَيْثُ ثَقِفْتُمُوهُمْ وَأَخْرِ‌جُوهُم (And kill them; wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out...), was revealed after the happening at Hudaybiyyah حُدیبیہ at a time when the Holy Prophet ﷺ decided, in accordance with the condition agreed upon in the Peace Treaty of Hudaybiyyah حُدیبیہ ، to embark on a journey to Makkah to perform the qada' قضاء of ` Umrah along with his Companions, something he was stopped from doing a year before by the disbelievers of Makkah. The noble Companions ؓ ، on the eve of this projected journey, had started to worry about the disbelievers who could not be trusted upon in a peace treaty. If they chose to be aggressive, as they did a year before, what option are they going to take? Thereupon, the words used in the present verse gave them the permission to meet the challenge of their aggression and kill them where they find them. And if they could, it was permissible for them to drive the disbelievers out from where they had driven the believers out.

And I have been reading Quran since I was 8-9 years old, or maybe even younger than this.
I have no doubt that your understanding of the Quaran is superior to my own. I have not made it a focal point of my life, and, despite our clear difference in faith AND politics, I respect that you actually approached me with a long-form argument. Thank you. Allow my rebuttal.

The last part intrigues me. Those who disbelieve the laws of said land, or creed, should be driven out should they be willing to commit violence. Should this apply wholesale across the world in areas where terrorism in the name of Islam has taken place? You could argue that, by your own scripture, that Islam has no place in the West by this self-same dogma. Yet, somehow, you would not abide by Islam being driven out of Western states, would you? If not, why do you agree with these words?
 
Why are you talking with a clown, that has already outed himself as a racist when saying that muslims are stealing british culture.
Where did this happen exactly?

Im not even british, my country of residence is germany lmfao and i have never been to the uk before.

Guess you mistake me for someone else or just talking out of your ass
 
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