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Firstly, let us go over the facts of this case.



Number 1 - Ekko and Lord Melkor were Busdriven with one another last night. We can confirm this through Pot Goblin's action, which was accompanied by a message.
Number 2 - Ekko was targeted by an ability that blocked any negative actions he used. This, of course, includes Destructive abilities. This was sent by Pot.
Number 3 - Ekko was not blocked last night. He confirmed this by pointing out that one ability of his had shown up in the writeup, and the other had not.
Number 4 - Ekko was missing an ability from the writeup. His immediate assumption was that he had been roleblocked. The ability was said to be preventative.

Given the above, we can deduce the following:

Ekko had a specific ability blocked or cancelled, but he was not fully roleblocked.



Now let us make some character deductions.

Ekko strongly believes that he has no mechanical evidence against him. This position is rather strange, given the nature of this game. Surely, one would consider that his thread position was tenuous enough to make him a prime candidate for failing, but alas he truly believes it is impossible.

Throughout my interaction with Ekko, he has continued to probe for information as to the nature of what I purport to have against him. Not once, however, does he opt to call into question my motives. Up until now, he has insisted that there are grounds to suspect me, and even today he appeared to outright claim he suspected me, though would not commit to the position. Despite that though, he hasn't once sought to pull back some thread control around this - he has very much treated me as if I'm town.

Ekko's role appears to be designed to be uncatchable. This, in turn, raises into question his previous position - that the game can be reliably solved through mech. His insistence has been thus - we can win this game by removing indies, and then relying on mechanical information to carry the day. With a town role, allegedly, being able to circumvent all sorts of investigation, surely he could anticipate scum being able to affect that, or even emulate it. It's SRM, after all. His role certainly has negative utility, and I'll admit it even fits his character to create a role that can't be mechanically-cleared, but it also fits his character to create a role that cannot be mechanically-caught. My sole reservation with this is whether Fuji would have allowed it. It's not impossible.

Ekko, lastly, throughout tonight has drip-fed parts of his claim to appeal to players. An example of this can be found wherein he claims to have gifted Pot a cop ability. Why does he gift Pot a cop ability? No one knows. His interlocution strategy has been to attack the character of his opponent - to undermine or insult them, in a way that does not strike me as earned or natural frustration. It's more akin to lashing out, a sign of panic.



And now for the finale, and the detective's deduction.

I have an ability called "Guessing". You can see it in last night's writeup. What this does is allow me to declare a target, and two action types - a primary one, and a secondary one. By action type, I mean, Protective, Preventative, Destructive and so on. If the Primary type matches an ability that my target uses, their action becomes the Secondary type. For example, if I targeted Player Z, a Vigilante, and said "Primary: Destructive" and "Secondary: Protective", the kill shot that the Vigilante sends will instead become a protect.

Last Night, I targeted Lord Melkor with that ability. For the Primary, I chose Investigative. For the Secondary, I chose Destructive. I should note, by restrictions of the game, Destructive here will only include Role Crushing or disabling Passive abilities. Of course, if we follow the evidence we outlined above, that means I actually used my ability on Ekko.

And with this, we now have an explanation for why Ekko's ability did not show up. He used an Investigative ability, and it became Destructive, which caused Pot's action on him to trigger and negate it. Why is this the conclusion? Because we can see that I wasn't blocked. My Guessing is in the writeup. We know Ekko was blocked conditionally. And with this, he would have been targeted by the exact conditions.

And the lie he is in, of course, is that he claims the ability type that was missing was Preventative. In fact, there was nothing Investigative about it.

The second lie he is in is his own claim. By claiming to have used an ability that negates Busdriving on Melkor, he would have negated Melkor's busdrive of himself and Ekko. And if Melkor was immune to negative effects like this, he would have no reason to busdrive himself with Ekko in the first place - he would have wanted to move a kill for example to a player they wouldn't be able to lynch.

All in all, I think we can safely assume there is scum present between Ekko and Melkor. They may even both be scum. In fact, that's what I am currently leaning towards. The mechanical inconsistencies are explained completely through this, and there are no real grounds to suspect further shenanigans.

Q.E.D Ekko is Scum

Simply by the existence of this ability, this level of reasoning was possible for me.
What do you think, everyone?





i agree with him making a passive that makes him even more scummy
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
my reason for scum reading alwaysmind ties back to day 1, not your post on ekko is scum
Yes, I don't really care about your scum read on AM right now (he is in POE) - you should read the post AM has quoted, feel free to add anything you feel pertinent.
 
Yes, I don't really care about your scum read on AM right now (he is in POE) - you should read the post AM has quoted, feel free to add anything you feel pertinent.
it for his weird phrasing with polar, orca, and ultra

on the dumb kidnapp job, did not help when polar flipped with said ability
 

Pot Goblin

Conejo Blanco

Firstly, let us go over the facts of this case.



Number 1 - Ekko and Lord Melkor were Busdriven with one another last night. We can confirm this through Pot Goblin's action, which was accompanied by a message.
Number 2 - Ekko was targeted by an ability that blocked any negative actions he used. This, of course, includes Destructive abilities. This was sent by Pot.
Number 3 - Ekko was not blocked last night. He confirmed this by pointing out that one ability of his had shown up in the writeup, and the other had not.
Number 4 - Ekko was missing an ability from the writeup. His immediate assumption was that he had been roleblocked. The ability was said to be preventative.

Given the above, we can deduce the following:

Ekko had a specific ability blocked or cancelled, but he was not fully roleblocked.



Now let us make some character deductions.

Ekko strongly believes that he has no mechanical evidence against him. This position is rather strange, given the nature of this game. Surely, one would consider that his thread position was tenuous enough to make him a prime candidate for failing, but alas he truly believes it is impossible.

Throughout my interaction with Ekko, he has continued to probe for information as to the nature of what I purport to have against him. Not once, however, does he opt to call into question my motives. Up until now, he has insisted that there are grounds to suspect me, and even today he appeared to outright claim he suspected me, though would not commit to the position. Despite that though, he hasn't once sought to pull back some thread control around this - he has very much treated me as if I'm town.

Ekko's role appears to be designed to be uncatchable. This, in turn, raises into question his previous position - that the game can be reliably solved through mech. His insistence has been thus - we can win this game by removing indies, and then relying on mechanical information to carry the day. With a town role, allegedly, being able to circumvent all sorts of investigation, surely he could anticipate scum being able to affect that, or even emulate it. It's SRM, after all. His role certainly has negative utility, and I'll admit it even fits his character to create a role that can't be mechanically-cleared, but it also fits his character to create a role that cannot be mechanically-caught. My sole reservation with this is whether Fuji would have allowed it. It's not impossible.

Ekko, lastly, throughout tonight has drip-fed parts of his claim to appeal to players. An example of this can be found wherein he claims to have gifted Pot a cop ability. Why does he gift Pot a cop ability? No one knows. His interlocution strategy has been to attack the character of his opponent - to undermine or insult them, in a way that does not strike me as earned or natural frustration. It's more akin to lashing out, a sign of panic.



And now for the finale, and the detective's deduction.

I have an ability called "Guessing". You can see it in last night's writeup. What this does is allow me to declare a target, and two action types - a primary one, and a secondary one. By action type, I mean, Protective, Preventative, Destructive and so on. If the Primary type matches an ability that my target uses, their action becomes the Secondary type. For example, if I targeted Player Z, a Vigilante, and said "Primary: Destructive" and "Secondary: Protective", the kill shot that the Vigilante sends will instead become a protect.

Last Night, I targeted Lord Melkor with that ability. For the Primary, I chose Investigative. For the Secondary, I chose Destructive. I should note, by restrictions of the game, Destructive here will only include Role Crushing or disabling Passive abilities. Of course, if we follow the evidence we outlined above, that means I actually used my ability on Ekko.

And with this, we now have an explanation for why Ekko's ability did not show up. He used an Investigative ability, and it became Destructive, which caused Pot's action on him to trigger and negate it. Why is this the conclusion? Because we can see that I wasn't blocked. My Guessing is in the writeup. We know Ekko was blocked conditionally. And with this, he would have been targeted by the exact conditions.

And the lie he is in, of course, is that he claims the ability type that was missing was Preventative. In fact, there was nothing Investigative about it.

The second lie he is in is his own claim. By claiming to have used an ability that negates Busdriving on Melkor, he would have negated Melkor's busdrive of himself and Ekko. And if Melkor was immune to negative effects like this, he would have no reason to busdrive himself with Ekko in the first place - he would have wanted to move a kill for example to a player they wouldn't be able to lynch.

All in all, I think we can safely assume there is scum present between Ekko and Melkor. They may even both be scum. In fact, that's what I am currently leaning towards. The mechanical inconsistencies are explained completely through this, and there are no real grounds to suspect further shenanigans.

Q.E.D Ekko is Scum

Simply by the existence of this ability, this level of reasoning was possible for me.
What do you think, everyone?





yo mafia is fuckin rad sometimes dude
:shocking:

that makes a lot of sense, I'm diggin this path
looks my conejo wasn't a waste after all
:steef:

Vote Lynch Ekkologix
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
yo mafia is fuckin rad sometimes dude
:shocking:

that makes a lot of sense, I'm diggin this path
looks my conejo wasn't a waste after all
:steef:

Vote Lynch Ekkologix
It's all fun until he flips Town LMAO

Though but really, I struggle to get there with him. His motivations look clearly scum driven from where I'm at. Plus the way it all lines up like this, it feels hard to get around it. I cannot promise with absolute certainty that he is going to flip Mafia, but I think he's a strong candidate and weighing up the risks/reward, it's a lynch I think worthwhile. Especially because his role is going to make it impossible to confirm him in any other way, just outright.
 

Emil

Certified Memelord

Firstly, let us go over the facts of this case.



Number 1 - Ekko and Lord Melkor were Busdriven with one another last night. We can confirm this through Pot Goblin's action, which was accompanied by a message.
Number 2 - Ekko was targeted by an ability that blocked any negative actions he used. This, of course, includes Destructive abilities. This was sent by Pot.
Number 3 - Ekko was not blocked last night. He confirmed this by pointing out that one ability of his had shown up in the writeup, and the other had not.
Number 4 - Ekko was missing an ability from the writeup. His immediate assumption was that he had been roleblocked. The ability was said to be preventative.

Given the above, we can deduce the following:

Ekko had a specific ability blocked or cancelled, but he was not fully roleblocked.

ok
about the facts
- pot says his ability stops offensive abilities. mine is preventative. fuji said its not considered as offensive ability so pot's ability shudnt affect me in any case. also based on the priority order my ability shud go before melkor's busdrive in normal cases, unless something happened with the priority order. basically if my ability worked as intended pot's ability shud always go to melkor not me.

the deduction is correct, i think i have one ability blocked, but not all. i said so as much. it's the only thing that makes sense

i'll respond to the rest in seperate post as i read them
 

Emil

Certified Memelord
Now let us make some character deductions.

Ekko strongly believes that he has no mechanical evidence against him. This position is rather strange, given the nature of this game. Surely, one would consider that his thread position was tenuous enough to make him a prime candidate for failing, but alas he truly believes it is impossible.
i dont think u do because im town lol
if u do there is some fuckery going on or ur lying its not that deep m8

Throughout my interaction with Ekko, he has continued to probe for information as to the nature of what I purport to have against him. Not once, however, does he opt to call into question my motives. Up until now, he has insisted that there are grounds to suspect me, and even today he appeared to outright claim he suspected me, though would not commit to the position. Despite that though, he hasn't once sought to pull back some thread control around this - he has very much treated me as if I'm town.
that depends on what u have or how long u intend to hold this charade for, i know my alignment and i know u cant have incriminating info on me because of that, and ive said ur playing shit if town or wp if scum, so bad point re:question motive.

i also told prof he is handling and posturing me very ingenuinly today, and said u are dealing in bad faith

Ekko's role appears to be designed to be uncatchable. This, in turn, raises into question his previous position - that the game can be reliably solved through mech. His insistence has been thus - we can win this game by removing indies, and then relying on mechanical information to carry the day. With a town role, allegedly, being able to circumvent all sorts of investigation, surely he could anticipate scum being able to affect that, or even emulate it. It's SRM, after all. His role certainly has negative utility, and I'll admit it even fits his character to create a role that can't be mechanically-cleared, but it also fits his character to create a role that cannot be mechanically-caught. My sole reservation with this is whether Fuji would have allowed it. It's not impossible.
its a town role. the passive just fits the flavor so its more so here for fun/RPG elements, ur not rly making a point here outside of speculation. i claimed what i have in terms of passives, i dont have anything that wud manipulate whatever it is u may have

Ekko, lastly, throughout tonight has drip-fed parts of his claim to appeal to players. An example of this can be found wherein he claims to have gifted Pot a cop ability. Why does he gift Pot a cop ability? No one knows. His interlocution strategy has been to attack the character of his opponent - to undermine or insult them, in a way that does not strike me as earned or natural frustration. It's more akin to lashing out, a sign of panic.
its not drip feed, i was asked to claim what i did today and i did lol
and i gave it to pot because i asked earlier who is town and flower said pot is town
 
ok
about the facts
- pot says his ability stops offensive abilities. mine is preventative. fuji said its not considered as offensive ability so pot's ability shudnt affect me in any case. also based on the priority order my ability shud go before melkor's busdrive in normal cases, unless something happened with the priority order. basically if my ability worked as intended pot's ability shud always go to melkor not me.

the deduction is correct, i think i have one ability blocked, but not all. i said so as much. it's the only thing that makes sense

i'll respond to the rest in seperate post as i read them
what where you action night 1?
 
VC1 of day 3
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Indigo

Day 3 - Vote Count #1

(as of post 6655)

Ekkologix: 5
Lord Melkor: 3
Luka: 1
Mashiro Blue: 1


Dr_Professor83: Zolo > Ekkologix > Luka
Ultra: Lord Melkor
Ratchet: Lord Melkor > Ekkologix
Flower: Lord Melkor > T-Pein > Ekkologix
Random Asshole: Lord Melkor
Ekkologix: Mashiro Blue
The Orca: Ratchet > Luka
Charlie: Lord Melkor
Kiku: Ekkologix
CakeWalker: Ekkologix > Unvote
Alwaysmind: Ekkologix
Pot Goblin: Ekkologix

Let me know if i missed any votes or made any mistakes!

 
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Emil

Certified Memelord
And with this, we now have an explanation for why Ekko's ability did not show up. He used an Investigative ability, and it became Destructive, which caused Pot's action on him to trigger and negate it. Why is this the conclusion? Because we can see that I wasn't blocked. My Guessing is in the writeup. We know Ekko was blocked conditionally. And with this, he would have been targeted by the exact conditions.
no no i used 2 abilities, one shud be protective. its the mark that commutes a player when they r targeted by a kill. i havent confirmed the target with fuji but it shud be protective

the other one is preventative. it prevents a target from busdrives/deflects

thats all i did last night
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
no no i used 2 abilities, one shud be protective. its the mark that commutes a player when they r targeted by a kill. i havent confirmed the target with fuji but it shud be protective

the other one is preventative. it prevents a target from busdrives/deflects

thats all i did last night
If this is your defence then, sincerely, you're better off not bothering. Enjoy the rest of your night, close the tab and move on - you're done.
 

Emil

Certified Memelord
The second lie he is in is his own claim. By claiming to have used an ability that negates Busdriving on Melkor, he would have negated Melkor's busdrive of himself and Ekko. And if Melkor was immune to negative effects like this, he would have no reason to busdrive himself with Ekko in the first place - he would have wanted to move a kill for example to a player they wouldn't be able to lynch.

All in all, I think we can safely assume there is scum present between Ekko and Melkor. They may even both be scum. In fact, that's what I am currently leaning towards. The mechanical inconsistencies are explained completely through this, and there are no real grounds to suspect further shenanigans.

Q.E.D Ekko is Scum

Simply by the existence of this ability, this level of reasoning was possible for me.
What do you think, everyone?
ive been trying to figure that out today

because from my PoV

my action shud work first, which shud then disable melkor's busdrive FROM his end, not my end. so abilities on me still go to melkor, but abilities on melkor shud not come to me

since pot's rabbit went from melkor to me, it's clear my ability failed PRIOR to pot's rabbit

someone else targeted me directly with an ability that stopped my ability, and it had more processing order than melkor's busdrive

its the only logical explaination from my PoV
 
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