Seika vs Renpa

Who wins?


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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#2
Depends largely on the scenario and terrain. On flat land, Seika wins pretty convincingly. If Renpa has unique territory he can utilize then he should win pretty convincingly. Fighting Seika head on is not a good idea.
 
#3
Never bet against Renpa
On flat land, Seika wins pretty convincingly
Based on?
Riboku straight up admitted he'll lose to Renpa in a direct clash
Kaishibou is supposedly a Renpa tier offensive general
Rinko has some of the most effective offensive tactics
Genpo is a G
Kyou En is an all around solid general
What's their weakness that causes them to lose convincingly? SBS's size? Ji Aga's feats of almost besting a Batei tier combatant? Or Gakushou's failure to kill Akou in a 3v1?
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#5
Riboku straight up admitted he'll lose to Renpa in a direct clash
Shibashou ain’t Riboku lol. Riboku has never been great at direct clashes, hence why he is currently hiding in a castle while Seika faces Ousen.

What's their weakness that causes them to lose convincingly? SBS's size? Ji Aga's feats of almost besting a Batei tier combatant? Or Gakushou's failure to kill Akou in a 3v1?
The Seika gang are a troupe of mad lads that are pretty clearly above Renpa in head-on warfare, not sure if you’re just trolling or butthurt about that fact but there is a 0% chance that Renpa beats Seika in a flatland clash.

Rinko lost a 1v1 to 300 man commander Shin, tell me he stands even a slight chance against Jiaga, Kansaro, or Gakushou lol. These guys are all relative to Bananji as fighters. And Rinko’s tactics which specialize in breaking through defensive formations are irrelevant because the Seika gang are not a defensive army.

Jiaga is above Renpa and Kaishibou in terms of brute strength. There is a reason Renpa is constantly being compared to Kaishibou and Bananji tier fighters while Jiaga is compared to Moubu lol. So Jiaga beats everyone in Renpa’s army in terms of brute force, and yet Renpa wouldn’t even be matched up against Jiaga but instead would be matched against Jiaga’s stronger daddy.

Genpou’s abilities on flat land are actually not too great, reminder that Genpou didn’t even want to face Shin or Ouhon head on and retreated from them, now imagine him facing the Seika generals.

Kyou En is really the only tricky matchup for Seika on flat land.

Renpa was a balanced 3GH. He was great at everything but not truly exceptional at anything. In the same way that Rinshoujou being a 3GH solely by his mind would mean he is a better mind than Renpa who is balanced, Shibashou would role over anyone in Renpa’s army in a head on clash and that includes Bananji-level Renpa himself.
 
#6
Seika really is the perfect replacement for Renpa’s army lol.

Renpa and SBS fight similarly so far. They roam around the battlefield freely and attack at vital points.

Matchups also seem pretty easy.
- SBS vs Renpa
- Ji Aga vs Kaishibou
- Kan Saro vs Kyou'En
- GKS+Fuuon vs Rinko

Genpou is probably the reason I pick Renpa. I doubt anyone on Seika's side even comes close to his strength as a tactician and strategist.

Rinko can probably slay GKS with his rindou. It broke through Ouki's hyped defensive formation. Ji Aga and Kan Saro have yet to prove themselves as > Heavenly King level tbh.

Renpa army until further feats.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#9
but we know Renpa isn't gonna let that happen without forcing a fight.
Which Renpa would horribly lose lol.

Any matchup where Renpa isn’t taking advantage of disadvantageous terrain is a loss for Renpa and his army. Literally Rinko was slain by 300 Man Commander Shin and Genpou retreated from Ouhon, Renpa’s army is utterly doomed in a head on clash against the Seika lads.
 
#10
Keeping him in check would be a damn tough task for Kan Saro. SBS would probably target one of the Heavenly Kings himself but we know Renpa isn't gonna let that happen without forcing a fight.
Truth be told, I'm not particularly worried for Kansaro specifically. As Seika's strongest subordinate, he might legitimately have what it takes to match Kyouen. I'm very interested in seeing what he's capable of.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#11
Truth be told, I'm not particularly worried for Kansaro specifically. As Seika's strongest subordinate, he might legitimately have what it takes to match Kyouen. I'm very interested in seeing what he's capable of.
Yeah wouldn’t be surprised at all if Kansaro is H4 / Gyou Un level
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The match up is more balanced with JKR instead of Fuuon as its own men

Also some or all Seika generals have subs that are good : JKR had his two arms who were kinda strong (around 10 spears level) and GKS had Fuuon who is really solid. Maybe Kansaro and Jiaga have some too
 
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#12
according to what we already got from seika .
renpa would easily one

Depends largely on the scenario and terrain. On flat land, Seika wins pretty convincingly. If Renpa has unique territory he can utilize then he should win pretty convincingly. Fighting Seika head on is not a good idea.
you Disrespect renpa here so much , you compare a legend that rivaled the older 6gg and has huge history of experience in battlefield
with someone who is barely known in china, and barely reach half oor quarter of rbk experience and achievements.



sbs IS NO ONE compared to renpa .

stop it .
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#13
with someone who is barely known in china, and barely reach half oor quarter of rbk experience and achievements.



sbs IS NO ONE compared to renpa .

stop it .
Riboku and Houken were complete unknowns in China when they faced Ouki who was so famous he was a household name. How did that work out for Ouki again?

Oh yeah, the unknowns defeated and killed him because fame =/= strength. Renpa was more famous than Ousen and Kanki, how did that work out for Renpa? Gekishin was more famous than Riboku and Houken, how did that work out for Gekishin?

“Fame” isn’t an argument lol, the Heavenly Kings struggled against 1000 MC versions of Shin and Ouhon, and here they are facing monsters much more powerful than that. The Heavenly Kings would get rolled like a joint by Seika on flat land.

And literally Renpa has been compared as a warrior to characters Shibashou might one shot lmfao.
 
#14
Riboku and Houken were complete unknowns in China when they faced Ouki who was so famous he was a household name. How did that work out for Ouki again?

Oh yeah, the unknowns defeated and killed him because fame =/= strength. Renpa was more famous than Ousen and Kanki, how did that work out for Renpa? Gekishin was more famous than Riboku and Houken, how did that work out for Gekishin?

“Fame” isn’t an argument lol, the Heavenly Kings struggled against 1000 MC versions of Shin and Ouhon, and here they are facing monsters much more powerful than that. The Heavenly Kings would get rolled like a joint by Seika on flat land.

And literally Renpa has been compared as a warrior to characters Shibashou might one shot lmfao.
the difference with rbk is he was working and fighting somewhere else but secretly , unlike sbs, even ordo who is at the border of east Zhao never heard of him and called him sleeping tiger !!.
hoken was a general he is just a killing machine and it's ok for someone to appear like that also it's the same for sbs i will understand it if he was just pure strength like hoken or the dragon from wei with no instinct or strategy but i don't think he is , he seems to be real general.


i don't have problem with some with little fame. but nothing yet say that sbs was famous before or he did marvellous achievement earlier (like what ribk did with stepps people) nah nothing is known .

the only thing that give him acknowledgement is how denied 3gg .
but this is enough to put him comparable to renpa .

cuz hoken got 3gg who is just afkn animal even heki better than him as general .

this doesn't mean he can't be as you think , it's just not good writing.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#15
the difference with rbk is he was working and fighting somewhere else but secretly , unlike sbs, even ordo who is at the border of east Zhao never heard of him and called him sleeping tiger !!.
This is wrong, Seika is active:


Seika is active in south eastern Zhao in some form. We don’t know against who but it is specifically said by Riboku himself that Seika is not an inactive army but was specifically fighting some force. In the same way Ouki was still actively fighting battles for Qin but not fighting any of the other states most likely.

So no, Shibashou is not some dude sitting inside of Seika doing nothing lol.

And Shibashou being nominated for the 3GH rank solely by virtue of his martial prowess puts an end to any delusions of Renpa being able to match this guy on flat land lol. Shibashou isn’t Houken, he is an active general and lord of his own city just like Ouki, not some forest hobo like Houken lol.
 
#17
This is wrong, Seika is active:


Seika is active in south eastern Zhao in some form. We don’t know against who but it is specifically said by Riboku himself that Seika is not an inactive army but was specifically fighting some force. In the same way Ouki was still actively fighting battles for Qin but not fighting any of the other states most likely.

So no, Shibashou is not some dude sitting inside of Seika doing nothing lol.

And Shibashou being nominated for the 3GH rank solely by virtue of his martial prowess puts an end to any delusions of Renpa being able to match this guy on flat land lol. Shibashou isn’t Houken, he is an active general and lord of his own city just like Ouki, not some forest hobo like Houken lol.
let's be real here , you know it's just small fights when the current number 1 gg in yan didn't ever heard about him .
if he was facing big armyies and notable figures his name would have reached yan at least , it's their strongest neighbour and the closest to seika .

So how that's is big thing ?!
....

3gg is alone is not taken seriously by me since they gave it to hoken.

...
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#20
He could easily be dealt with by lieutenants from Kaishibou or Kyou En or whatever
I doubt Fuuon would be easy pick for Kyou En or Kaishibou lieutenants

Fuuon is a solid subs

they can’t have someone far stronger than him in their own ranks while they are subs themselves
 
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