Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1104 Spoilers Discussion

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Nah you can measure it. For example we can describe everything that makes up Kuma's character without throwing in what we personally like or dislike, and based on how much we know of the character, we can recognize how much depth and complexity said character has because at the end of the day these characters are created with a purpose from the writer. No matter if we like it or not, thus far Kuma's a good guy thar holds loyalty to those that he holds dear, and had a shitty life. Sure there are details I'm leaving out, but this pretty much describes his character, which isn't much in comparison to other characters within One Piece. This doesn't take my subjective likings into consideration, but simply taking what is given by the writer, and analysising what it is. If you consider someone like Kuma to be a good character, then fine, but it doesn't change the fact that Kuma isn't doesn't have much complexity nor depth in his character.
If you don't mind me pointing out,
I think you have misunderstood him saying "good characterization" for " morally good charcter"

You can have a objectively morally good charcter that is not characterised properly ye?

I believe his point of subjectivity is that the understanding of the characterization of any charcter is perceived through a subjective lense which is valid as many would, while understanding that kuma is a morally good character as per the objective portrayal , would have mixed feelings about the choices the author made for him to portray that said GOOD MAN portrayal.

On a personal note no matter the means the charcter is portrayed I take them for what they are and perceive it from an idealistic lense where i'd try to grasp kuma's sentiments in his miseries. Regardless of how excruciatingly painful it can be, for others for instance , they could deem it imperceptible or even conveniently too much . If you get what I mean.
 
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"Concession accepted" - person who has 0 arguments that the author created and then abandoned a brain dead fan theory

Funnily enough, most of you Grassmaster Temple worshippers have that line ready to go 24/7 regardless of the argument you are losing.

You, pictured and colorozed:
Holy shit lmao this image is awesome
 
If they weren't, Luffy wouldn't point it out.
That was his host, it makes sense for it to have CoA. The other biscuits though, there are a lot of them are and I am not even sure he can coat them remotely.
Kizaru wasn't hurt by Apoo, I know that.
But it's funny because going off Saturn haters' logic Kizaru also has paper skin.
Logia tend to naturally disassemble when hit, it was never about his durability.
 
So many people are misunderstanding Kizaru’s conflict.

Kizaru wants the SHs to escape with Vegapunk, but he’s not just going to throw away his duty like kuzan did. He showed from the start that he was willing to kill Vegapunk.

That is why Luffy vs Kizaru has to happen. If Kizaru betrays Saturn, he will be committing treason and he will probably get hunted by the remaining admirals/gorosei/holy knights. But if kizaru is defeated by Luffy, then vegapunk gets to escape and Kizaru doesn’t get branded a traitor.

It’s literally WCI 2.0. Saturn is the main villain, but Kizaru is Luffy’s 1v1. Saturn, like BM, has pretty mid offense(by top tier standards), but is insanely tough to take out.
 
Zoro was already Admiral level as we saw in Dressrosa him vs Fujitora.

Enma is a nerf. Zoro with Shusui wouldn't even need CoC coating to scar and kill Kaido.

There is a reason Zoro didn't went to WCI. Oda needed Big Mom at Wano and needed to remove Shusui from Zoro and to nerf him even more with Enma.
You're such a goat Sir Herrera :cheers:
 
I always see examples like this. You simply don't understand what objective means and you confuse it with universal consensuses. This is the 4th time I've done this in here but here's the definition for objective.

expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations

For you to say something is "objective" you need a standardized system to measure said metrics in an objective way. It is literally impossible to do so when it comes to storytelling. There is no such thing. You can keep giving me anecdotal examples all you want, it doesn't change the fact that art is by its very nature subjective.

But what do I know right? I only have a minor in screenwriting and creative writing.
Okay. If it is purely subjective, then give reasoning as to why Thanos getting arrested by regular human police should of happened. Although these things can't be found within he natural world without human creation, there are still standards that come into play within said creations, which is why stick figure drawings simply isn't as impressive as nearly life-like depiction of humans, or why the speed and racing accolades of Usain Bolt are impressive achievements despite there being no such standards as no one has achieved what he did as there are objective traits Usain Bolt has that no one else possesses, whereas there is little to no recognition of whoever's the slowest as it's simply isn't as spectacular given that pretty much anyone can move as slow as possible. Otherwise with your viewpoint argumentation holds no value as that's also subjective beliefs, and argumentive "fallacies" aren't really fallacies, but simply one's belief of which data point is more important.
 
That was his host, it makes sense for it to have CoA. The other biscuits though, there are a lot of them are and I am not even sure he can coat them remotely.

Logia tend to naturally disassemble when hit, it was never about his durability.
Saturn get stab with a normal sword attack durability was never going to his thing i surprise people not see that .
The same thing happens to other high tier character when Oda wants like WB.
But Oda give him regen so got lose body parts with that power it's shonen 101 lol .
 
So many people are misunderstanding Kizaru’s conflict.

Kizaru wants the SHs to escape with Vegapunk, but he’s not just going to throw away his duty like kuzan did. He showed from the start that he was willing to kill Vegapunk.

That is why Luffy vs Kizaru has to happen. If Kizaru betrays Saturn, he will be committing treason and he will probably get hunted by the remaining admirals/gorosei/holy knights. But if kizaru is defeated by Luffy, then vegapunk gets to escape and Kizaru doesn’t get branded a traitor.

It’s literally WCI 2.0. Saturn is the main villain, but Kizaru is Luffy’s 1v1. Saturn, like BM, has pretty mid offense(by top tier standards), but is insanely tough to take out.
Nah Saturn goes down this arc.

The only reason Big Mom wasn't taken down in WCI was because Luffy wasn't strong enough.

The shocking incident has to happen.
 
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