Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1104 Spoilers Discussion

[Monkey D Theories]

Because it was never ever preemptively pointed out a shocking incident happens and everybody knows their goal is escape so something big has to happen.

I don't get why this is hard for people.

Kizaru is an admiral, a fundamental part of the WG balance of powers

if Kizaru were to be defeated by Luffy, and subsequently got fired as a result of having sympathies for Vegapunk, then the WG would be forced to take up Blackbeard’s offer to let hachinosu join the WG in order to maintain the balance of powers.

That would lead right into the next arc with Teach as the main villain.

 

[BleakAsh]

I mean not in this scene but in general bc of katas close relationship with big mom

OOoooooooooo

 

[Juanpiz]

Kizaru is an admiral, a fundamental part of the WG balance of powers

if Kizaru were to be defeated by Luffy, and subsequently got fired as a result of having sympathies for Vegapunk, then the WG would be forced to take up Blackbeard’s offer to let hachinosu join the WG in order to maintain the balance of powers.

That would lead right into the next arc with Teach as the main villain.

Because bb is such a trustworthy guy

 

[The White Crane]

The Last time someone screamed so much was ace during Marineford

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Vergo and Katakuri don’t

Kizaru is the vergo/katakuri of egghead

 

[Durableguy]

Kizaru is an admiral, a fundamental part of the WG balance of powers

if Kizaru were to be defeated by Luffy, and subsequently got fired as a result of having sympathies for Vegapunk, then the WG would be forced to take up Blackbeard’s offer to let hachinosu join the WG in order to maintain the balance of powers.

That would lead right into the next arc with Teach as the main villain.

Dude what?

That's just a massive reach and you know it

 

[RayanOO]

Kizaru is the vergo/katakuri of egghead

He looks more like the Kata than the Vergo of the arc

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Kizaru is the vergo/katakuri of egghead

Both are. They’re both subordinates who are set to fall here because this is where their story lines are most connected

 

[centurion]

@Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy @Boiroy

 

[Lor D. Coast]

I was just trying to support Doflamingo since he was introduced with the goat Wuma..

 

[centurion]

I was just trying to wank Zori and Micuck for my sword gulper agenda..

I know I know

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Thanks to God that Luffy realized that Kizaru is not up to his level and left Kizaru for his crew to handle, the big deal is the Buster Call and Saturn.

 

[Juanpiz]

I was just trying to support Doflamingo since he was introduced with the goat Wuma..

And with blackbeard

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Strongest but not an absurdity that luffy doesn't necceitate and is honestly ain't impactful to his character

Luffy's rubber abilities are iconic that alone being the emphasis of imaginative combat is ample ..introducing logia abilities is tooo much imo regardless of luffy's importance and worth.

well all imma say is be ready for it, sure at the moment maybe his character doesnt need to liquify but oda can always facilitate that need now or after luffy sees it first hand with kizaru. Time will tell i guess

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Saturn's durability is building level
No wonder none of the bums in the WG dared to punish Papatora after the reverie lmao

 

[Herrera95]

The bum ass won't be admiral level EOS. Lmaooo. Couldn't even get past 1 HP Lucci. Enma is a 100x buff at least. Despite getting such a huge buff with Odens strength, he couldn't even make Oden budge. No doubt without it, Loros wouldn't even be able to get past Ulti. I'd say a single boro breath would 1 shot Current Loro without Odens strength.
Loro didn't went to WCI because even the fodder in WCI would've packed Loro. Probably Big Moms mere presence would've explodes Loros head. And its true, Loro wasn't getting protected by Oden via enma then so he wouldn't have stood a chance against anybody in WCI (not even fodder).

Cry. Your fav not even worth to clash with Zoro.

 

[Gauntlet]

If you don't mind me pointing out,
I think you have misunderstood him saying "good characterization" for " morally good charcter"

You can have a objectively morally good charcter that is not characterised properly ye?

I believe his point of subjectivity is that the understanding of the characterization of any charcter is perceived through a subjective lense which is valid as many would, while understanding that kuma is a morally good character as per the objective portrayal , would have mixed feelings about the choices the author made for him to portray that said GOOD MAN portrayal.

On a personal note no matter the means the charcter is portrayed I take them for what they are and perceive it from an idealistic lense where i'd try to grasp kuma's sentiments in his miseries. Regardless of how excruciatingly painful it can be, for others for instance , they could deem it imperceptible or even conveniently too much . If you get what I mean.

Our discussion has little to do with Kuma's morals being objectively good or nor, but solely whether or not a story and its characters can be judged without bias, him saying no, and me saying yes. Though I do agree that seeing Kuma as a morally good character is subjective, whether or not the creator of the character believe it is/isn't, the world and its society seeing it as so or not, and the character themselves believing one way or another isn't as that would simply be the fact of the matter.

 

[Herrera95]

Saturn is suffering from the same disease that stopped Doffy from parasiting everyone: plot.

Cap

 

[Negan]

Thanks to God that Luffy realized that Kizaru is not up to his level and left Kizaru for his crew to handle, the big deal is the Buster Call and Saturn.

"Luffy realized that Kizaru is not up to his level and left Kizaru for his crew to handle, because the real deal is Saturn, who just happens to stand next to Kizaru"

 

[Durableguy]

Remember how everyone said Kuma would bomb Saturn to death and I immediately wrote it off lol.

Or that he would teleport the strawhats.

The former has a 0 percent chance of happening.

The latter just seems wholely unlikely