I was laughing at the other guy's statement claiming that believing in evolution is logically incorrect. Hence the :saden: emotes
no, he was saying you are logically incorrect for insinuating that his rejection of the theory of evolution means he rejects the phenomenon evolution itself.
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the guy your citing is a femminist himself, he has active motive to lie



he's a biased source.
the guy isnt the one doing the research, he is just linking the research?!
 
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Yeah thats not whats happening. But have fun with your fanfiction
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Uhm yes it is, because eugenics is about heritable traits.
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Thats not the only factor to his opinion, but sure.

And i disagree with that. But thats still not eugenics xD
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Nah, a statement stands regardless of who is saying it. Thats why attacking the character of a person in response is a fallacy.

And your attack was retarded on top of it.
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I guess you arent willing to respond to my points or questions. . .

Yes obviously the theory is =/= the phenomenon.

But you still seemingly missed the part of scientific theories being repeatadly confirmed. A scientific theory is as good as it gets. And before you bring up scientific laws, there is a law and a theory of gravity. Laws arent above theories in hierarchy.

There is no need to "believe" evidence. But if by "logical evidence" you mean philosophical mumbojumbo, then yeah thats not evidence in scientific context. There is zero evidence for creationism. Creationists really just do personal incredulity on evolution.

And since i think this is where this is going:
Humans are great apes, primates, mammals and chordates

I guess i managed without adhom
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I think he is trying to get at evolution being a thing, but the theory not being perfect.

Or he is trying to get at ridiculous macro/micro evolution nonsense.
We know that energy is a thing and yet we don't have a good definition of the phenomena. What Bleak is saying is that the hypothesis/models regarding evolution are flawed.
 
They did not accused Israel of anything.
Not the point. That was not their role. It will take at least a year to decide if Israel created a genocide or not. Its demands an inquiry.


Didn't asked Israel to stop. They just asked Israel to make sure things don't get out of control like Israel is doing it.
No act of genocide, meaning, no more killing indiscriminately. Israel can continue chasing hamas but if their actions keep killing Palestinians without reasons, those will be considered as an act of genocide.

This was a warning.

Yeah thats not whats happening. But have fun with your fanfiction
I'm literally describing you what negative eugenism and this description is similar to the vision depicted by Dawkins. You are just in front of a wall.. You are not right, but you don't want to be wrong. So you will try to deligimate my vision rather than my word. But sorry, this won't work with me.

You only option with me is to come clean and for once, accept that you are wrong. At least on this subject.

Uhm yes it is, because eugenics is about heritable traits.
Thats not the only factor to his opinion, but sure.

And i disagree with that. But thats still not eugenics xD
Eugenism is a set of beliefs and practice. It means to improve the genetic material of human through positive and negative selections. Selection through heritable traits is just one of the option. I already explained you the difference between negative and positive eugenism already. Now, either you start listening, or you stop talking about this subject you don't understand.


Nah, a statement stands regardless of who is saying it
No, not really no. If you want an exemple, I tend to favor for example the words of scientists more that yours. Even when you guys were to say the same things.

By listening to anyone, you will only listen to yourself.

Dawkins might be trustable in pure biological subjects (even tho that is debatable), he is not when we talks about politics and subject related to morality. Therefore I stand by the attack or rather the prevention against his vision and the vision of the "new atheist movement".

If you allow yourself to listen to anyone just because they said one day something true, you will end up in a cult in no time.



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''Men have a vital role to play in ending sexist inequalities and building gender justice. Profeminist website XY includes a massive collection of resources: guides to the personal and political work involved, talks, curricula, challenges, research, etc'' - micheal




the guy your citing is a femminist himself, he has active motive to lie



he's a biased source.
You also forgot to read his bio. The man is a researcher, meaning a scientist. Because a scientists have political ideas doesn't mean that they can't create good scientific work. And its not even his work (I think)

, he only shares a study.

Again, you are showing your complete ignorance of the scientific process and showing exactly why what I said about the relationship between science and values previously was so important.

Plus this is not a sociological study, but a psychological peer reviewed one.. but I guess that you don't consider psychology as a science either.

You are the caricature of the antiscience guy mate, the perfect clone of a flat earther but against social sciences, its really sad...


some femminist???
Why does it matter, are scientist not allowed to be feminist now ? You prefer them to be incels like you ?
 
You also forgot to read his bio. The man is a researcher, meaning a scientist. Because a scientists have political ideas doesn't mean that they can't create good scientific work. And its not even his work (I think)


so if conservative made a study that supported conservatism


you would accept it???
 
not like he actually said that though.

and you stated "attempted explanation". that kinda does sound like you are missing the part of it being confirmed, repeatedly.
Not that it matters he said.. It was a obvious quesiton with an either /or choice.. He dodged it so it was clear to me that he's gonna assume what i don't subscribe to..he's just that kinda dude

And confirmed? Are you saying the theory in quesiton explains Evolution in the best way possible given the current presented evidnece? In that sense yes its the most reliable working modle given how expounded upon it is but let's not assume its absolutely certain and is expected form science's flaws here here like NEW DATA, GENERALIZATIONS, FLAWED MECHANISMS, and reasonable objections which include, fundamental assumptions no matter Micro or Macro perspective, with which even tho the theory makes for a compelling lense to look at biological evolution of life on earth, its still limited by its constraints and keeps evolving, changing and rectifying, but it isn't the only lense to look at it from which is what science is about.. Its not about ascertaining Absolute truths especially not with limited evidnece give the lost biological blueprint of life on earth in Evolutionary theorie's case. There is a reason why fact in science is defined as the nearest most compelling explanation OF THE GIVEN DATA. So if by confirmed you mean its proven to be absolutely true, then that would contradict science itself unless you just mean the best working model.. Which i don't have a problem with and no one should.




this is why i assumed that:
I mean.. There's not 1 kind of theory for even evolution I don't seem to understand your interpretation here. Yes you cannot force it down someone's throat because you believe in something so what does that have to do with what you're alluding to here which is misunderstanding what scientific theory is composed of.. Which is still an attempt at explaining something in the most sensible manner with given facts way but never claiming to be absolutely true.You can reject theories and you can adhere to others..don't see why that's an issue.
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well if someone makes extraordinary claims about a supernatural being, ye i need actual tangible empirical evidence if you dont want me to go hitchens razor on you and refer to the sagan standard
How about logical evidnece rooted in reality? That is mathematically, logically, and universally consistent
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We know that energy is a thing and yet we don't have a good definition of the phenomena. What Bleak is saying is that the hypothesis/models regarding evolution are flawed.
Brilliant point, there things that are intangible but can be observed indirectly through affect.. Like Dark energy.

Us creationist don't reject evolution (the observable biological chnage) we reject what we don't believe complied with objective standards, we just posit the reality that there is an unmovaed mover and this universe is a an observable affect of its existence.
 
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:smoothieduck:I've seen enough of his posts in the past to know what he means
Ok
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so who is???



some femminist???
Bunch of researchers actually
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We know that energy is a thing and yet we don't have a good definition of the phenomena. What Bleak is saying is that the hypothesis/models regarding evolution are flawed.
Flawed in what way? That we dont know every detail about the evolution of every trait there is?
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No, not really no.
Yes really
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Bleak isn't denying evolution.
Well if he is getting at humans not being primates (the usual go-to for theists when it comes to evolution), then he is and thats still the same level of reality denial as being a flat earther.
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And confirmed? Are you saying the theory in quesiton explains Evolution in the best way possible given the current presented evidnece?
So you did miss that part in the definition of scientific theory after all. . .
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its still limited by its constraints and keeps evolving, changing and rectifying,
Well obviously the best explanation based on the evidence so far may change to be even better with new evidence coming in.

No evidence will change humans being primates though.
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.You can reject theories and you can adhere to others
So what is it that you reject?

I think its time for you to actually respond to my points and questions
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How about logical evidnece rooted in reality? That is mathematically, logically, and universally consistent
There is no such evidence for a supernatural being or creationism.

And even if there was, that wouldnt point to a single religion (much less a single denomination of a religion), so at best you'd argue for deism.
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Us creationist don't reject evolution (the observable biological chnage) we reject what we don't believe complied with objective standards, we just posit the reality that there is an unmovaed mover and this universe is a an observable affect of its existence.
So you ultimately reject evolution but just try to sugarcoat it, got it.
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we just posit the reality that there is an unmovaed mover and this universe is a an observable affect of its existence.
Doesnt have anything to do with evolution btw.

You can believe in the unmoved mover without rejecting repeatedly confirmed science.

Didnt you even make a point about religious scientists earlier lmao?
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And as i mentioned earlier, i have seen a reinterpretation of the adam and eve story to be indicative of evolution. Being religious and accepting evolution are not mutually exclusive
 
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Not the point. That was not their role. It will take at least a year to decide if Israel created a genocide or not. Its demands an inquiry.
Clown. They did on Russia.


No act of genocide, meaning, no more killing indiscriminately. Israel can continue chasing hamas but if their actions keep killing Palestinians without reasons, those will be considered as an act of genocide.

This was a warning.
Yes to prevent a genocide to happen not that it was already happened. You can't even admit you wrong.
 
ok then they are wrong


you can find plenty of femminst hating on men


on twitter or tumblr


or any site that has a majourity leftist opinon
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there's as much reason to buy into zeus creating the universe then yhweh,shiva or any other god
Kinda, which is why i said that at best he'd be arguing for deism
All women are femminists in varied degrees.
 
Us creationist don't reject evolution (the observable biological chnage) we reject what we don't believe complied with objective standards, we just posit the reality that there is an unmovaed mover and this universe is a an observable affect of its existence
Interesting🤔
Not accurate. I'm a woman and don't want to be associated with the term because it doesn't mean what it used to. I just prefer to state the obvious, men and women should be equals. Neither is better than the other.
I'm not a big fan of girlboss feminism tbh
 

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Interesting🤔
I'm not a big fan of girlboss feminism tbh
Well, I'm a girl boss and that is how I know the ideas of the movement have become ridiculous. I make my own money, raise my kids, I purchased my own home ect etc. Because no one told me I was held back or couldn't do it. So I did it.
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Well, I'm a girl boss and that is how I know the ideas of the movement have become ridiculous. I make my own money, raise my kids, I purchased my own home ect etc. Because no one told me I was held back or couldn't do it. So I did it.
Which is my biggest problem with most movements. People telling people they can't do this or that because of trivial matters. I remember my son coming home with a bad grade in math a couple of years ago. When I took his phone away this kid replied to me. "Mom, I'm black. I'm not supposed to do good in math."

I will say this he brought his math grade up.
 
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