Bougya The Great Debate: ACoC or not?

After reading my explanation what is your opinion?


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#23
Zoro him self said he need to use Enma like Oden (with AdCoC) he probably using AdCoC regularly at this point he need to do it to become a top tier
but he isn't using KoH
KoH is style not just using AdCoC
 
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Herrera95

#24
You said that acoc=does not touch. But as we have seen, Kaido acoc touches, acoc goofy also touches often and acoc Zoro touches.
That's why I'm saying there is has to be AT LEAST one of those criteria. Not all of them.
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Zoro him self said he need to use Enma like Oden (with AdCoC) he probably using AdCoC regularly at this point he need to do it to become a top tier
but he isn't using KoH
KoH is style not just using AdCoC
Enma shit is so inconsistent. Because he says he has to give it his all to it. But then if he is not on constant KoH mode he is not giving it. And we saw that even in King fight.
 
#27
There is no 100% AdvCoC.

The AdvCoC are trails that start from the weapon/part imbued in it, as for example in this images:








However, on this occasion what we are seeing are rays that start from the point of impact, something that we have seen many times even without AdvCoC users, such as:







I think it's easy to see the difference and see that the image of Zoro defeating Lucci matches the second category.

:josad:Post a moment Zoro (pre CoC) did a move and we had CoC visuals like this
There you have a lot of examples of many characters and more that I can give you if you want.
 
#28
There is no 100% AdvCoC.

The AdvCoC are trails that start from the weapon/part imbued in it, as for example in this images:








However, on this occasion what we are seeing are rays that start from the point of impact, something that we have seen many times even without AdvCoC users, such as:







I think it's easy to see the difference and see that the image of Zoro defeating Lucci matches the second category.



There you have a lot of examples of many characters and more that I can give you if you want.
So CoC users + few exceptions : ulti and Retainers?

Thank you for providing once again that CoC users unleash CoC and some coat their attacks with it
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And Zoro coA named attacks don't have such visuals

Stop the copium
 
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#29
However, on this occasion what we are seeing are rays that start from the point of impact, something that we have seen many times even without AdvCoC users, such as:
Yes but then you have to put Nika kicking Kizaru in the 2nd category as well
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So CoC users + few exceptions : ulti and Retainers?

Thank you for providing once again that CoC users unleash CoC and some coat their attacks with it
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And Zoro coA named attacks don't have such visuals

Stop the copium
If there are exceptions than it is not a rule.

And Oda is constantly changing how he represent things specially haki
 
#32
So CoC users + few exceptions : ulti and Retainers?

Thank you for providing once again that CoC users unleash CoC and some coat their attacks with it
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And Zoro coA named attacks don't have such visuals

Stop the copium
I gave you a lot of examples and a lot of "exceptions" friend. And more than I can tell you.

Zoro is not the only character in One Piece, although for some it seems so. The rules have to be followed for everyone, not just Zoro.

If you say that attack contains AdvCoC, then Ulti's attack on Usopp does too. Here the only cpoium is yours.


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Yes but then you have to put Nika kicking Kizaru in the 2nd category as well
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If there are exceptions than it is not a rule.

And Oda is constantly changing how he represent things specially haki
No, that kick to Kizaru does have AdvCoC as you can see the similarity with other attacks. What it doesn't have is AdvCoA, which is why it impacts Kizaru.

It is CoC.

Roger's Kamusari doesnt have lightning when he raises his sword and it doesnt have a trail following the sword after the attack either
Roger did not use AdvCoC against Oden, but he did against Shiro. You can see how with Shiro you can see the trails coming out of the weapon.

Those rays, as I already mentioned, appear many times, even with characters without CoC or who clearly did not have AdvCoC at that time.
 
#35
He did man. Oda confirmed in a sbs that Kamusari is a CoC attack
The same attack may or may not have AdvCoC depending on the user's preferences. Shanks' Kamusari does have AdvCoC and you can see the contrails perfectly and not the rays.

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Why? Why people headcannon about combining ACoC with ACoA? And what ACoA has to do with non touching?
When Roger and Shirohigue clash attacks, trails are seen on their weapons.

Hitting without touching is an effect of AdvCoA or at least the basic level.

The AdvCoC will not touch when two attacks with AdvCoC collide.

He thought that was why you said that Luffy's kick to Kizaru didn't have CoC. But if for no other reason, you can see that they are trails, not rays.
 
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Herrera95

#36
He did man. Oda confirmed in a sbs that Kamusari is a CoC attack
I saw that "news" and assumed it was true... But he actually didn't.

It was more like the guy told him he would like to have Oden attack that scarred Kaido and Roger Kamusari in real life I guess and then Oda said he was having too much conqueror. Just that.
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When Roger and Shirohigue clash attacks, trails are seen on their weapons.
Why the hell you call him Shiro? WTF! Cringe! Call him Whitebeard.
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Hitting without touching is an effect of AdvCoA or at least the basic level.
Nope. ACoA is internal damage. Barrier haki it is basic haki applied externally generally used into weapons.
 
#38
I saw that "news" and assumed it was true... But he actually didn't.

It was more like the guy told him he would like to have Oden attack that scarred Kaido and Roger Kamusari in real life I guess and then Oda said he was having too much conqueror. Just that.
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Why the hell you call him Shiro? WTF! Cringe! Call him Whitebeard.
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Nope. ACoA is internal damage. Barrier haki it is basic haki applied externally generally used into weapons.
In Japanese it is called Shirohigue hahahaha

The AdvCoA has two known levels:

- Hit without touching, causing minor internal damage.
- Introduce your CoA into the opponent and make it explode causing greater damage.

Old Hyo explained that. I can give you images if you like.
 
#39
There is no 100% AdvCoC.

The AdvCoC are trails that start from the weapon/part imbued in it, as for example in this images:








However, on this occasion what we are seeing are rays that start from the point of impact, something that we have seen many times even without AdvCoC users, such as:







I think it's easy to see the difference and see that the image of Zoro defeating Lucci matches the second category.



There you have a lot of examples of many characters and more that I can give you if you want.
Here is why i think it is the first category.



Oda draws a clear panel with the adv coc leaking from zoro in jinbe reaction.



With shanks we see the hilt of his sword to which we still see adv coc being leaked, and when he attacks kidd it is just like the other panels you described in option 2 with no adv coc on shanks blade



In the third panel when shanks lands he is leaking coc haki just like zoro is leaking coc haki after defeating lucci and when we see his face we even see coc haki around it, again just like zoro panel defeating lucci.

Ultimately feel free to use luffy and zoro and kaido in wano, but thats not the only way oda depicts it otherwise you would have to disagree that shanks used it vs kidd which has both of your depictions in it.
 
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Herrera95

#40
The same attack may or may not have AdvCoC depending on the user's preferences. Shanks' Kamusari does have AdvCoC and you can see the contrails perfectly and not the rays.



When Roger and Shirohigue clash attacks, trails are seen on their weapons.

Hitting without touching is an effect of
In Japanese it is called Shirohigue hahahaha

The AdvCoA has two known levels:

- Hit without touching, causing minor internal damage.
- Introduce your CoA into the opponent and make it explode causing greater damage.

Old Hyo explained that. I can give you images if you like.
You can do it. What he called advanced is internal damage that he couldn't do it. There is no minor internal damage in barrier haki that is something Alabasta Zoro can do it. Thats basic haki.
 
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