Bougya The Great Debate: ACoC or not?

[zenox]

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Forget about the rays if you wish.

Oda cannot grant a visual effect, which we have seen on many occasions and have not been able to know what it means, to a Power Up that already has its exclusive and perfectly clear visual effect.

What you propose is illogical. It cannot be that the same effect on some characters means one thing and others another or nothing.

And this not only applies to Zoro, in the confrontation between Luffy and Lucci we also see those rays and I don't see anyone saying that Luffy used CoC. The same for Kaido when he knocked out Luffy in the Capital for the first time, there are lightning bolts, but not trails and we know that the first attack Luffy saw with CoC was on the roof.



I just limited myself to what the manga says.

Luffy wants to learn to hit without touching and we see how he does it with the example of the tree. And Luffy wants to learn to hit without touching to damage Kaido internally by skipping his scales. And as we see in the tree, it is clear that when you hit without touching there is internal damage.

But, there is a step further than Luffy if he is able to use it than introducing his CoA into the enemy.

Really, Haki is not that bad, it is quite easy if we ignore Marine Ford and the rays that I have never been able to understand.

I also tell you that maybe it is wrong to call it advanced Haki, it is something that makes sense for CoO, because in the end it is the same but for longer, but in CoA and CoC I think they are simply different techniques.

This justifies why Zoro learned to use AdvCoA and AdvCoC before the "basic" uses.

I just read the scans from tcb

Y’all realize Oda actually draws the trailing lightning?

He just didn’t put it in the big double spread. Go look at the two small panels we see of Zoro and Lucci right after the double spread and you can see the trailing lightning.

That confirms it’s ACoC imo. Oda did literally the exact same thing with Kidd and Shanks.

 

[zenox]

I just read the scans from tcb

Y’all realize Oda actually draws the trailing lightning?

He just didn’t put it in the big double spread. Go look at the two small panels we see of Zoro and Lucci right after the double spread and you can see the trailing lightning.

That confirms it’s ACoC imo. Oda did literally the exact same thing with Kidd and Shanks.

shit like that has happened multiple times
Black lightning doesnt confirm acoc
he also only used ' santoryuu '
no king of hell was used
thats the biggest indicator

 

[Monkey D Theories]

it's definitely coc. Idk why Zoro fans are fighting this tbh. It means that zoro can now causally tap into his coc without going all out showing his mastery of acoc haki.

Zoro fans are, as is often the case, engaging in self inflicted brain rot.

Zoro one shot lucci with ACoC and he didn’t even need KoH. Just take your W.

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shit like that has happened multiple times
Black lightning doesnt confirm acoc
he also only used ' santoryuu '
no king of hell was used
thats the biggest indicator

KoH isnt just ACoC, it’s literally Zoro blasting his haki at full power

 

[Herrera95]

I just limited myself to what the manga says.

Luffy wants to learn to hit without touching and we see how he does it with the example of the tree. And Luffy wants to learn to hit without touching to damage Kaido internally by skipping his scales. And as we see in the tree, it is clear that when you hit without touching there is internal damage.

But, there is a step further than Luffy if he is able to use it than introducing his CoA into the enemy.

Really, Haki is not that bad, it is quite easy if we ignore Marine Ford and the rays that I have never been able to understand.

I also tell you that maybe it is wrong to call it advanced Haki, it is something that makes sense for CoO, because in the end it is the same but for longer, but in CoA and CoC I think they are simply different techniques.

This justifies why Zoro learned to use AdvCoA and AdvCoC before the "basic" uses.

Like I said. Hyogoro calls Internal Damage advanced. Therefore the Ryou he knows that doesn't touch is not that. His explanation let that clear.

And he explains that Ryou is the same haki that Luffy knows but they flow to their swords because they fight with them. So it is basic haki.

 

[HeroesNZ]

If it's not ACoC, that'd make Zoro the strongest character in the manga. It's clearly CoC - even Shanks needed it to 0.5 shot Kid who's a similar level to Lucci.

Embrace it, as it means Zoro can output top-tier AP without the stamina issues of KOH.

 

[Herrera95]

it's definitely coc. Idk why Zoro fans are fighting this tbh. It means that zoro can now causally tap into his coc without going all out showing his mastery of acoc haki.

This kind of go against the principle of Enma in my opinion

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Well done. Case closed. Zoro current top 1.

 

[zenox]

Zoro fans are, as is often the case, engaging in self inflicted brain rot.

Zoro one shot lucci with ACoC and he didn’t even need KoH. Just take your W.

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KoH isnt just ACoC, it’s literally Zoro blasting his haki at full power

its the only other indicator where zoro is confirmed to use acoc in
unlike base santoryuu

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The difference is that it was literally stated what haki kata was using. It was stated he was using a very high level of armament hardening.

Zoro doesn’t use Kata’s CoA technique. You have like one panel of Zoro producing minuscule haki lines against king, utterly incomparable to the thick lines coming from the borders here.

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Also Oda literally drew the trailing in the subsequent panel, proving it was ACoC.

 

[Herrera95]

Zoro doesn’t use Kata’s CoA technique. You have like one panel of Zoro producing minuscule haki lines against king, utterly incomparable to the thick lines coming from the borders here.

It is all basic haki. But Katakuri is stronger. While Boundman is stronger than Katakuri.

 

[L57]

Its acoc

 

[zenox]

The difference is that it was literally stated what haki kata was using. It was stated he was using a very high level of armament hardening.

Zoro doesn’t use Kata’s CoA technique.

bruh
dont u see this page ???
thats luffy's haki

now dont make up another excuse like luffy having different haki
heck even sanji

Also Oda literally drew the trailing in the subsequent panel, proving it was ACoC.

when ? i dont see any trails from zoro's swords

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It is all basic haki. But Katakuri is stronger. While Boundman is stronger than Katakuri.

It’s an advanced technique
not all CoA users have lightning like that

However Zoro doesn’t use CoA that way. The only time we see him doing anything like that was in a clash with King. But this wasn’t a clash, Lucci just got blitzed and KO’d.

look at any of Zoro’s previous final moves and none of them bar dragon damnation have haki like this.

 

[Herrera95]

It’s an advanced technique
not all CoA users have lightning like that

However Zoro doesn’t use CoA that way. The only time we see him doing anything like that was in a clash with King. But this wasn’t a clash, Lucci just got blitzed and KO’d.

look at any of Zoro’s previous final moves and none of them bar dragon damnation have haki like this.

It is not advanced dude. Boundman surpassed that v

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It is not advanced dude. Boundman surpassed that v

Boundman bypassed it with raw strength

 

[Herrera95]

Boundman bypassed it with raw strength

Not so sure about it

 

[Rootbeer]

@Rootbeer

Ridiculous, first Zoro never got AdCoC..

Second, this CoA Lightning from the clash between Zoro and Lucci, it's not comming from Zoro..

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it isnt acoc,
the only acoc indicator u can pull out from this are the black lightnings after the attack landed

And we know huge lightnings can be shown with armament haki too

zoro himself has showed that against king

it is also a simple santoryuu attack which is another variant of a move zoro used pre timeskip

look at his right hand and u will see the similarity

Are you a Sanji fan?.. Or what are you..

Anyway this analysis is spot on.. And that type of attack is not powerful enough to defeat someone like Lucci..

Rocket Dawn is above that..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Ridiculous, first Zoro never got AdCoC..

Second, this CoA Lightning from the clash between Zoro and Lucci, it's not comming from Zoro..

what clash? Lucci got 1 shot by Zoro and black lightning is around where the attack landed going "outward".

 

[Wizak08]

ACoC doesn't produce the no touching, that's ACoA. Anyways it's likely conqueror, im unsure due to how inconsistent black lighting is drawn by Oda.

 

[Rootbeer]

what clash? Lucci got 1 shot by Zoro and black lightning is around where the attack landed going "outward".

Yeah the lightning emanates from the point of impact(Lucci's body) in all directions, therefore a classh..

How you know Lucci got 1 shot by Zoro?.. Did Kaido get one shot by Ashura on the roof.. No..