Controversial One Piece is gross and creepy
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Saying not everything is black and white kind of hurts the defense of the argument...
Do you really want to blur the lines with age related stuff? Generally, it's uncomfortable when it comes up in the story. I'm not sure we want to accept that our story here tries to make a point that it falls into a morally gray area instead of black and white with this subject.
It is black and white. Resist saying "it's okay sometimes."
Do you really want to blur the lines with age related stuff? Generally, it's uncomfortable when it comes up in the story. I'm not sure we want to accept that our story here tries to make a point that it falls into a morally gray area instead of black and white with this subject.
It is black and white. Resist saying "it's okay sometimes."
The thing is its not drawn as a culture, traditionally speaking .. Its drawn as a perversion for the fans...it really is the disgusting aspect of onepiece
You can't compare tragic themes like slavery that have substance and add narrative depth to the story to fan service.. Thats quite the false equivalency there.. Especially with Bonney being a minor when for the last decade she was an adult and making kids like Momo perverts
I'm not saying that 16th century was a paradise on earth for humans but to allude that eye candying 10 year olds is decent and a moral representation of what Oda thinks his story should be is wild especially for a shonen manga in a day and age where porn is rife and women are mass sexualised.
Oda isn't beyond criticism mate
You can't compare tragic themes like slavery that have substance and add narrative depth to the story to fan service.. Thats quite the false equivalency there.. Especially with Bonney being a minor when for the last decade she was an adult and making kids like Momo perverts
I'm not saying that 16th century was a paradise on earth for humans but to allude that eye candying 10 year olds is decent and a moral representation of what Oda thinks his story should be is wild especially for a shonen manga in a day and age where porn is rife and women are mass sexualised.
Oda isn't beyond criticism mate
The point i am making is that the creator of the thread seems to be annoyed that a manga portrays a 37 seven old woman being in love with a 17 year man, but sees no problem is the same manga portraying slavery genocide and mass prison break.
Does he think we should ban the bible and Shakespeare or should we simply accept that characters in fiction have many moral flaws.
Does he think we should ban the bible and Shakespeare or should we simply accept that characters in fiction have many moral flaws.
This ability actually occurs on its own naturally, doesn't it? But, like the only time it ever really happens on its own is when a guy sees a beautiful woman. Like, Sanji may have jokingly been turned to stone twice before in similar ways with different people.
I can't find a good picture with the Seraphim Hancock turning Usopp to stone, but it's important to point out that Lilith was also turned to stone at the same time. So, if Usopp is being a perv then so is she. However, for every natural occurrence of this ability it's when someone is physically attracted to a person. Usually a man attracted to a woman.
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That might be non sequitur. They're different things. It follows with a slippery slope.
So we are supposed to question the SHs and their allies and not see them as the good guys ?
YES
Luffy's massive prisonbreak is a good example that not everyhing Luffy does is morally virtuous
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Luffy's massive prisonbreak is a good example that not everyhing Luffy does is morally virtuous
You cant compare something he did indirectly in a moment of hesitation to his morality. An MC like Gon is very morally ambigious since he befriends cannibals and befriends evil people even though he knows their actions A person like Luffy doesnt do that. And if he were to befriend bad people, he wouldnt know the type of shit they do.
Look at how Luffy was about to kick Zoro outta the crew for the Whiskey Peak mistunderstanding.
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Ive already stated that yes if the MCs/allies were to continously commit atrocities such as genocide and slavery, then sure it is very awful. However the SHs dont do that.
Again Luffy did it indirectly and was only thinking about Ace. Theirs a timer on his head. The p*do shit is unnesscary but that prison break was tho.
Its too bad, you could have made a good criticizism of the sexualization of women in One Piece and instead you are just showing that you didn't understand the story.
- Sanji's lust for chibby Nami is indeed creepy but is filler so it really has no place here.
- Momo is no a 28 yo trapped in a kid body, he is a 8 yo kid trapped into an adult body.
- There is absolutely nothing sexual in the way women interact with Momo (at least on their part, momo is indeed a perv who takes advantage of the situation but he is a kid, so instead of blaming women here, you can rather blame sexism).
- Seraphin Hancock doesn't pretrify out of lust but because she is small and therefore "cute" (notice that she also petrified York because of that), it was obvious and yet still was explained by Oda because of weirdos in an SBS.
The point about One Piece being creepy on pedophilia is therefore dull, but you COULD make a real criticizism about sexism and the sexualization of women in the Manga industry or in Japanese's culture that leads old school authors like Oda to draw weird stuff like Carrot or Bonney but also Nami or Robin in constant swim suit. The problem is therefore not a creepy lust, the problem is the sexualization of all women to begin with, not just those two.
Try to fight with good arguments if you really want to take a shot at One PIece as there are a few, because you are looking like someone who didn't read the story here.
- Sanji's lust for chibby Nami is indeed creepy but is filler so it really has no place here.
- Momo is no a 28 yo trapped in a kid body, he is a 8 yo kid trapped into an adult body.
- There is absolutely nothing sexual in the way women interact with Momo (at least on their part, momo is indeed a perv who takes advantage of the situation but he is a kid, so instead of blaming women here, you can rather blame sexism).
- Seraphin Hancock doesn't pretrify out of lust but because she is small and therefore "cute" (notice that she also petrified York because of that), it was obvious and yet still was explained by Oda because of weirdos in an SBS.
The point about One Piece being creepy on pedophilia is therefore dull, but you COULD make a real criticizism about sexism and the sexualization of women in the Manga industry or in Japanese's culture that leads old school authors like Oda to draw weird stuff like Carrot or Bonney but also Nami or Robin in constant swim suit. The problem is therefore not a creepy lust, the problem is the sexualization of all women to begin with, not just those two.
Try to fight with good arguments if you really want to take a shot at One PIece as there are a few, because you are looking like someone who didn't read the story here.
All those fanservice is unnecessary but it is estheatically appealing to his core audience.
Have you ever read a japanese Shonen Jump Weekly Magazine?
Just look at the covers they sell in shops
Have you ever read a japanese Shonen Jump Weekly Magazine?
Just look at the covers they sell in shops
True, just coz its widespread doesn't make it palatable to sexualised women and promote degeneracy.
Idk if you disagreed for the sake of it but it is a good part of what Chrono is trying to say,and even if you have a case.. Youvre just sayin that Chrono has misunderstood, not that these theme have any valid substance to then or they aren't inherently degenerate..also you didn't address Bonney too.
Idk if you disagreed for the sake of it but it is a good part of what Chrono is trying to say,and even if you have a case.. Youvre just sayin that Chrono has misunderstood, not that these theme have any valid substance to then or they aren't inherently degenerate..also you didn't address Bonney too.
If Chrono is complaining about some of these stuff from One Piece then I guess he really hasn't seen certain other series which have way more darker and even sus moments compared to One Piece.
Or he has seen it but has no problem with them and is only complaining about One Piece because he didn't like the direction of the story or how Oda has handled Sanji, and if that's the case then he is pretty much a hypocrite.
Or he has seen it but has no problem with them and is only complaining about One Piece because he didn't like the direction of the story or how Oda has handled Sanji, and if that's the case then he is pretty much a hypocrite.
Didn't say Oda isn't beyond Criticism, i have no respect for him even if the Manga was 100% Clean & Perfect
But who decided that Slavery is good for Narrative Depth & Story? Who decided that Zoro saying "I don't believe in God" is good for every Reader who is Religious? Who decided that anything in One Piece needs to exist? Who decided that Luffy is the Main Character?
There is no such thing as this is Good for Story & this is not
One Piece is just a Single Human's Thoughts put into Drawings & Words, nothing more, nothing less
The only thing that differentiates it from just having a Conversation with him is that it's beautified for your Eyes & Ears & Emotions
But at the end of the day, it's just Oda spreading his Ideas, regardless of the way They reached their destination & to who
Same thing for every Piece of Fiction
If such Work contains Honest Beliefs/Ideas/Morals of it's Maker, then it will definitely include their Evil Side cuz everyone got one
Or They can instead choose not to put their Filthy Ideas in their Work to please their Audience, but again, People are different, We have different Beliefs, Cultures, Traditions, Experiences, Languages, Relationships ... etc so you will only be attracting certain People
If you wanna talk about Morality in a Fictional Work, then don't Specify, don't say "This is Good Addition to Story & this is not", cuz regardless if his Intentions are just to draw what He likes or to draw what Audience like, Evil is Evil
Sexualizing women or kids isn't the only thing that can influence Readers badly, any Evil Act can influence them badly, They can be motivated to Steal, to Rebel, to break the Law, to turn against their Parents, to follow false beliefs, to hurt people, to rape, to enslave ... etc
You think making a Villain Likeable isn't same as Sexualizing the Heroine?
You think making People fall in love with Doflamingo or Crocodile or Gorosei or Aizen or Madara or "Insert Any Villain" here is Good for Story & not same as making them turned on by Fictional Girls? It's extremely bad as well, if not worse
One Piece is still Trash even if it never included any Sexual Scene of any type
You can read it as "Guilty Pleasure" where you take what u like only & ignore what's bad for you or u don't like
But as an Influence? It's obviously Garbage & same for 99% of Fictional Shit
Oda is a man with No Values, He is among Worst Famous People of this Era
His Story is just one big promotion for Chaos
But who decided that Slavery is good for Narrative Depth & Story? Who decided that Zoro saying "I don't believe in God" is good for every Reader who is Religious? Who decided that anything in One Piece needs to exist? Who decided that Luffy is the Main Character?
There is no such thing as this is Good for Story & this is not
One Piece is just a Single Human's Thoughts put into Drawings & Words, nothing more, nothing less
The only thing that differentiates it from just having a Conversation with him is that it's beautified for your Eyes & Ears & Emotions
But at the end of the day, it's just Oda spreading his Ideas, regardless of the way They reached their destination & to who
Same thing for every Piece of Fiction
If such Work contains Honest Beliefs/Ideas/Morals of it's Maker, then it will definitely include their Evil Side cuz everyone got one
Or They can instead choose not to put their Filthy Ideas in their Work to please their Audience, but again, People are different, We have different Beliefs, Cultures, Traditions, Experiences, Languages, Relationships ... etc so you will only be attracting certain People
If you wanna talk about Morality in a Fictional Work, then don't Specify, don't say "This is Good Addition to Story & this is not", cuz regardless if his Intentions are just to draw what He likes or to draw what Audience like, Evil is Evil
Sexualizing women or kids isn't the only thing that can influence Readers badly, any Evil Act can influence them badly, They can be motivated to Steal, to Rebel, to break the Law, to turn against their Parents, to follow false beliefs, to hurt people, to rape, to enslave ... etc
You think making a Villain Likeable isn't same as Sexualizing the Heroine?
You think making People fall in love with Doflamingo or Crocodile or Gorosei or Aizen or Madara or "Insert Any Villain" here is Good for Story & not same as making them turned on by Fictional Girls? It's extremely bad as well, if not worse
One Piece is still Trash even if it never included any Sexual Scene of any type
You can read it as "Guilty Pleasure" where you take what u like only & ignore what's bad for you or u don't like
But as an Influence? It's obviously Garbage & same for 99% of Fictional Shit
Oda is a man with No Values, He is among Worst Famous People of this Era
His Story is just one big promotion for Chaos
Imagine complaining about Boa being attracted to a 17 year old Luffy while at the same time ignoring the fact that Sanji almost married and even lusted over a 16 year old girl, heck Chrono didn't seem to have any problem with that back then but now it's suddenly a problem.
Also Luffy isn't even 17 anymore, he's 19 now.
And Oda has already explained the S-Snake situation, as someone already said it before, Boa's devil fruit has nothing to do with lust.
Also Luffy isn't even 17 anymore, he's 19 now.
And Oda has already explained the S-Snake situation, as someone already said it before, Boa's devil fruit has nothing to do with lust.
The problem is that the OP is targetting a so called pedophilia in One Piece when its really not what it is and also because it is done in complete ignorant way as a way to just take a shot at the story.
The problem is sexualization, and its because there is a sexualization of all women with breast and curves that Carrot or Bonney are seen in weird outfits. The "degeneracy" card doesn't work. Its not degeneracy (and this word is itself problematic in many aspects), its simply patriarchy applied to Japanese shonen and One Piece in that case (its the same in many other manga as well), the problem comes from this industry as a whole in this specific aspect.
It doesn't mean that Oda is free of criticizism (I have a few on sexualization and minorities representations) but we must target the right issues.
Patriarchy is the issue here.
The problem is sexualization, and its because there is a sexualization of all women with breast and curves that Carrot or Bonney are seen in weird outfits. The "degeneracy" card doesn't work. Its not degeneracy (and this word is itself problematic in many aspects), its simply patriarchy applied to Japanese shonen and One Piece in that case (its the same in many other manga as well), the problem comes from this industry as a whole in this specific aspect.
It doesn't mean that Oda is free of criticizism (I have a few on sexualization and minorities representations) but we must target the right issues.
Patriarchy is the issue here.
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