Speculations Does Oda consider Murakumogiri (WB’s weapon) to be a sword?

#21
According to Road to Laugh Tale (Vol. 2), meitos can actually be polearms, claws, axes or even blunt weapons, like Kaido's club or Kanjuro's brush (yeah, they're meitos, but have no grade). Katakuri's Mogura ("Mole" in the page below), for example, is a ranked meito, but with a still unknown grade. Killer's Punishers are there too.


Considering that, I don't think that Whitebeard can be regarded as a swordsman. If you do consider him a swordsman because he had a meito, then you should consider Kaido and Katakuri swordsmen too.
Blade is a cool topic it's sad the only topic we get on the matter is people trying to find a loophole to say that their favorites are stronger than mihawk.

I think shanks might get a supreme grade but I am not so sure. He might also be next in line to get a black blade if he has to fight Blackbeard and aokiji. Shiki definitely do not have asupreme grade blades since it would take 2 spot out of 12
 
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Borasey79

#22
He might also be next in line to get a black blade if he has to fight Blackbeard and aokiji
Why would he need a black blade to fight those two?
His sword can catch fire, which works against Aokiji.
And haki alone should counter BB (until plot has BB win anyway).
A black blade is not needed here.
 
#23
According to Road to Laugh Tale (Vol. 2), meitos can actually be polearms, claws, axes or even blunt weapons, like Kaido's club or Kanjuro's brush (yeah, they're meitos, but have no grade). Katakuri's Mogura ("Mole" in the page below), for example, is a ranked meito, but with a still unknown grade. Killer's Punishers are there too.


Considering that, I don't think that Whitebeard can be regarded as a swordsman. If you do consider him a swordsman because he had a meito, then you should consider Kaido and Katakuri swordsmen too.
That’s just a list of named swords and weapons not graded swords like people typically refer to when they say “Meito.”
 
#24
Why would he need a black blade to fight those two?
His sword can catch fire, which works against Aokiji.
And haki alone should counter BB (until plot has BB win anyway).
A black blade is not needed here.
Black blade is haki, a black blade is stronger than a normal sword hence why a meito can climb ranks.
 
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Foul Legacy

#25
So how can WB be WSM, and Mihawk be WSS?

Either WB > Mihawk, so WB should have both titles

Or Mihawk > WB, so Mihawk should have both titles

Or WSS title really is just about sword skill instead of power level
Because they don't exist on the same era.
Mihawk who probably reached WSS , in the past 10 year or so...
WB was way past his prime.
And to fill in the gap between WB and Mihawk.
Kaidou took the strongest reign.
 
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Borasey79

#26
Black blade is haki, a black blade is stronger than a normal sword hence why a meito can climb ranks.
I know how a Meito is, supposedly, made.
What I'm saying is, Shanks' current flame sword is enough to counter Aokiji without needing to be upgraded, and Future Sight + Haki punch/kick does the same against BB's quake as a blade would.
 
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I know how a Meito is, supposedly, made.
What I'm saying is, Shanks' current flame sword is enough to counter Aokiji without needing to be upgraded, and Future Sight + Haki punch/kick does the same against BB's quake as a blade would.
No lol a weapon attack is stronger than a punch or a kick hence why basically every top tier got a weapon
 
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Foul Legacy

#29
No lol a weapon attack is stronger than a punch or a kick hence why basically every top tier got a weapon
There are exception here and there.
WB , Garp , Bigmam are physical monsters.
Average 21 grade sword holder won't be able to hold candle to them even with haki. Zoro. Oden being exception here.
 
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Borasey79

#31
So how can WB be WSM, and Mihawk be WSS?

Either WB > Mihawk, so WB should have both titles

Or Mihawk > WB, so Mihawk should have both titles

Or WSS title really is just about sword skill instead of power level

Because they don't exist on the same era.
Mihawk who probably reached WSS , in the past 10 year or so...
WB was way past his prime.
And to fill in the gap between WB and Mihawk.
Kaidou took the strongest reign.
WB had the highest "raw human physical" strength. He may have used a blade, but that was secondary to his main characteristic.

Mihawk has the greatest swordsmanship. It may lead to him unleashing attacks able to put him on par with WB, but the path of the sword is what led him there, it's what he's known for.

Kaido is the strongest Zoan user. His natural strength may surpass WB's, but he isn't a human. His scales may allow him to eat a couple Mihawk sword slashes, but he isn't a swordsman.

Hence, WB earned the title of the Strongest Man. Mihawk that of Strongest Swordsman. And Kaido that of Strongest Creature.
It's not about the differences in strength between the three titles; just about how their holders got to obtain that strength.
 
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#32
WB had the highest "raw human physical" strength. He may have used a blade, but that was secondary to his main characteristic.

Mihawk has the greatest swordsmanship. It may lead to him unleashing attacks able to put him on par with WB, but the path of the sword is what led him there, it's what he's known for.

Kaido is the strongest Zoan user. His natural strength may surpass WB's, but he isn't a human. His scales may allow him to eat a couple Mihawk sword slashes, but he isn't a swordsmanship.

Hence, WB earned the title of the Strongest Man. Mihawk that of Strongest Swordsman. And Kaido that of Strongest Creature.
It's not about the differences in strength between the three titles; just about how their holders got to obtain that strength.
Exactly
 
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Foul Legacy

#36
WB had the highest "raw human physical" strength. He may have used a blade, but that was secondary to his main characteristic.

Mihawk has the greatest swordsmanship. It may lead to him unleashing attacks able to put him on par with WB, but the path of the sword is what led him there, it's what he's known for.

Kaido is the strongest Zoan user. His natural strength may surpass WB's, but he isn't a human. His scales may allow him to eat a couple Mihawk sword slashes, but he isn't a swordsmanship.

Hence, WB earned the title of the Strongest Man. Mihawk that of Strongest Swordsman. And Kaido that of Strongest Creature.
It's not about the differences in strength between the three titles; just about how their holders got to obtain that strength.
I have a different perspective on the "Strongest" title.

- We got 3 era of Pirates between current roger era.

God Valley happened 38-40 years ago.
Which gave us 4 strongest Users , and title changed depending on what they specialized in.

- At god valley , Xebec held the strongest Title.
- 10 years down the line , WB took on their reigns , as the Strongest Man.
- 10 Years down the line and Kaidou took on thr reigns , as the strongest Creature.
- 10 years down the line , Mihawk took on the reigns , as the strongest Swordsman.

Coincidently with above logic , Every at The age of 39-41 are at their peak. Of they remain strong afterwards too , but there's a clear decline. Kaidou was 57 or 59 I'm not sure but Do you seriously see a 60 year beast being Being at his prime? Kaidou took the strongest reign way before he went down.

God Valley Happened 38 years ago.
Whitebeard died at the age of 72 , 72-38= 34 years old.... by the time he was 39-41 he held the title.

Kaidou age at gods valley was , 59 - 38 = 21.
When WB was 41 , Kaidou was 28 yo.
Next 10 years....
WB left the strongest reign , kaidou became the strongest - 38 year old...

Mihawk age at god valley , 2-3 yesr old...
Next 7 years , when WB was the Strongest , Mihawk was 9-10 ,
Next 10 years , when Kaidou took the reigns ,
Mihawk was 19-20 , Already infamous...
Kaidou was 38 during this period , and currently was 59 , 59 - 38 = 21...
At that mihawk age , 19 - 20 + 21 = 40-41...
41 is mihawk current age....


They reigned at different time as the strongest none of them had it at the same time. They decline....

Mihawk told zoro , he would fight him at his peak, which is 41 , right now!.

Other than that , Man , Creature , Swordsman are just their basic go to....
WB was earthquake "man" as paramacia user like luffy is rubber man.
Kaidou was a Zoan fruit user , hence the word Creature was used ,
Mihawk uses a sword as his primary go to , Hence the strongest Swordsman...

Whitebeard being called the strongest "man" in raw physical is a lie because garp was present... he smacking mountains down with his fist but best we got from WB is stopping his own ship with his hand.
 
#38
According to Road to Laugh Tale (Vol. 2), meitos can actually be polearms, claws, axes or even blunt weapons, like Kaido's club or Kanjuro's brush (yeah, they're meitos, but have no grade). Katakuri's Mogura ("Mole" in the page below), for example, is a ranked meito, but with a still unknown grade. Killer's Punishers are there too.


Considering that, I don't think that Whitebeard can be regarded as a swordsman. If you do consider him a swordsman because he had a meito, then you should consider Kaido and Katakuri swordsmen too.
Actually Oda said Kaido's Kanabo would be considered legendary if it ever fell out of his hands somehow
 
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