Spoiler One Piece Chapter 985 Spoilers Discussion

[MD Zolo]

What do you mean luffy and ace are not strong? Who is strong then? Are there only 10 characters that are strong in One piece?

Because in the previous arc luffy defeated two YC and is going to take down a yonko this arc (with some help but he'll still do most of the job), and he's just 19.
Ace was a YC on whitebeard's crew, was able to fight jimbei during 5 days before becoming one, clashed equally with Aokiji while weakened.

They seem very strong to me.

I don't get it. You people pull up fighting Jinbei thing as a proof of Ace being strong yet say that Doffy is only Tobi Roppo level. Ace was weak and was fodder material for WB and Admirals didn't seem concerned with him escaping either.

There are at least 20+ YC level people in OP. That is no longer a definition of "very strong", when the goal is to fight an Yonkou. So, if Yamato thinks that a YC level or something above (Luffy is now above YC level) is very strong after seeing Oden and his own father, then Yamato is not that strong.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Luffy can barely defeat king. And Kaido is like... x5 King Strength. They are doomed, raid end in failure for now. then luffy train, gear 5 gum gum awakening Luffy vs Kaido 1v1, luffy win

Serious luffy rag dolls king.

 

[Fallen Prince]

You know its weird what if otama and yamato knew each other ? Just crazy thoughts given we have Ace meeting both of them at different side of the story . Ace probably would have mentioned about her at some point .

Given what happens if she hears kaido actually hurt otama ? That surely would piss off yamato to loath her dad .

 

[Aknolagon]

I don’t even know what this sentence is bro. Yamato already cracked Ulti’s super skull on panel when Yamato was in base (assuming she has a DF ofc). King on the other hand was portrayed as someone who only exists to be uprooted by the Flying 6 later on.

You see, the entire theme of Kaido’s character is about how leaders who are only respected because of strength will unravel and collapse. Someone stronger will always show up, and thus this type of leadership is far inferior to someone like Oden who people are still following decades after his death.

Where does King fall into in this narrative? A generic, static strong guy who exists to be surpassed by the Tobi Roppo, thus fulfilling the theme of Kaido’s terrible leadership tactics. This is why the Flying 6 even exist, to show how the strength of someone like King is irrelevant and meaningless. Yamato, as the next Oden, is surely stronger than King. Thinking she isn’t just because she’s a woman is...well..
:smithnie:



Nothing. He’s a Calamity for now but who cares. It won’t be long before he is dethroned by Sasaki.

So basically Oda gives you the line to separate their power but you don't accept it.
Well like you said it, who cares if Aka Inu is the fleet admirals. It won’t be long before he is dethroned by Coby.

His name is King, this is enough to give you who is he. I don't buy this fake yamato thing. She is at best who's who lvl. She didn't train for 20 years but now the excuse is that she is natural monster ? Lol more excuses pls.

 

[sanjikun]

Luffy can barely defeat king.

Luffy assrapes King. He only struggled against Katakuri because Future Sight wouldn't let him hit. Once he hit him he owned him.

 

[Lebrent]

One Piece 10/10

 

[Isaac Netero]

"Endgame" is very subjective though. There are 10x the amount of characters still left after Wano and various plot threads that aren't "final arc" worthy.

What I do see happening is OP moving into its "final portions" but there will certainly be more setup arcs before the final war, especially Vegapunk, Elbaf and Lodestar.

I am talking about the way to be Pirate King being clear, everyone is making their moves, the entire pirate world has been set up for this phase until now, the marines got arguably stronger too and most of the characters left will be involved in the same Arcs, Elbaf is definitely happening as for the others Oda could just mix them as he has been doing in New World so far.

 

[Lebrent]

Luffy assrapes King. He only struggled against Katakuri because Future Sight wouldn't let him hit. Once he hit him he owned him.

doubt

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I don't get it. You people pull up fighting Jinbei thing as a proof of Ace being strong yet say that Doffy is only Tobi Roppo level. Ace was weak and was fodder material for WB and Admirals didn't seem concerned with him escaping either.

There are at least 20+ YC level people in OP. That is no longer a definition of "very strong", when the goal is to fight an Yonkou. So, if Yamato thinks that a YC level or something above (Luffy is now above YC level) is very strong after seeing Oden and his own father, then Yamato is not that strong.

I don't say Doffy is tobi roppo level. Why would they want to kill ace and start a war with whitebeard if they had no worry about him?
Luffy is definitely very strong. What is above YC? Admirals and Yonko themselves with a few others. So if luffy isn't very strong, nobody is, the world of one piece is filled with a bunch of weaklings then.

 

[MD Zolo]

Serious luffy rag dolls king.

Yet Queen can block Luffy easily!! Wait, I thought Zoans are too tough to be beaten. Luffy will struggle against King for the simple reason that the Zoans are capable of taking a beating and giving few back.

If Ulti can give Luffy trouble, King will make Luffy have flashbacks again.

 

[Isaac Netero]

I don't get it. You people pull up fighting Jinbei thing as a proof of Ace being strong yet say that Doffy is only Tobi Roppo level. Ace was weak and was fodder material for WB and Admirals didn't seem concerned with him escaping either.

There are at least 20+ YC level people in OP. That is no longer a definition of "very strong", when the goal is to fight an Yonkou. So, if Yamato thinks that a YC level or something above (Luffy is now above YC level) is very strong after seeing Oden and his own father, then Yamato is not that strong.

Luffy is arguably the 5th Strongest Pirate in the world right now, pretty sure Yamato is right calling him strong.

 

[Rmstorm]

Luffy can barely defeat king. And Kaido is like... x5 King Strength. They are doomed, raid end in failure for now. then luffy train, gear 5 gum gum awakening Luffy vs Kaido 1v1, luffy win

Luffy kills king in one shot. He used the kjmg kong gun with advanced armament haki, in as shown in chapter 955.

Big Mom without haki and devil fruit took out queen while she was forced to use Haki combined with her devil fruit and bodyweight to stop a WCI Gear 4 Boundman Kong Gun. It still shook her arm regardless.

This was before the Wano seastome training, Futurw Sight and Advanced Armament Haki.

 

[pedxi]

Sanji vs Hawkins and Drake round 2
@BangMi

 

[Fallen Prince]

This has been stated a million times. The anime team is already preparing for the Luffy v. Kaido fight.

"Multiple sources have mentioned that the episode will be legendary in terms of animation, and recently at the Saudi Anime Expo, Shinji Shimizu revealed that Luffy vs Kaido will be a spectacle to watch."

"the Wano arc becomes the story of Luffy's battle against Big Mom and Kaido."

Oda told them years in advance

"They told us “Luffy will face Big Mom in the Whole Cake Island Arc, and in the following Wano Arc, he’s due to directly confront Emperor Kaido, so we’re in the Four Emperors Arc now!"

You said Oda quotes kaido will be defeated in wano .

 

[Aknolagon]

Luffy assrapes King. He only struggled against Katakuri because Future Sight wouldn't let him hit. Once he hit him he owned him.

And you don't think the lethality of the edged weapon and fire are gonna do some thing to luffy when even apoo knocked out him ? Lol.

Yes we saw that against p1 and ulti lol.

 

[Red Dog]

OP next biggest twist:
- hiyori and yamato know each other for long time and become ally in secret plotting to beat kaido and orochi...

 

[Maha D. AUT]

So the fight also gets dragged to the main land of Wano. That makes total sense, since Luffy almost always lands his final blow in front of the country's population.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Luffy is arguably the 5th Strongest Pirate in the world right now, pretty sure Yamato is right calling him strong.

 

[MD Zolo]

I don't say Doffy is tobi roppo level. Why would they want to kill ace and start a war with whitebeard if they had no worry about him?
Luffy is definitely very strong. What is above YC? Admirals and Yonko themselves with a few others. So if luffy isn't very strong, nobody is, the world of one piece is filled with a bunch of weaklings then.

Yamato told Luffy that he is very strong in the context of fighting Kaido. And that just isn't true. And if Yamato considers a YC+ character as very strong, then she is not a YC+ herself. So my point that Yamato is not the Ace of BPs remains and my point that Yamato is Who's Who level also remains.

 

[Lebrent]

Hiyori x Yamato yaoi hentai.. i need