Spoiler One Piece Chapter 985 Spoilers Discussion
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Ha! Just like i already knew!Linlin teached these two garbage girls where is their place!Everyone who say "Carrot is a great and powerful girl"
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Everyone who say "Nami deserve be One Piece's best girl"
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@Princeley @BangMi You two have been putting Chopper and Usopp next the puny girl Nami as the worst players in Onigashima War and the idiot rabbit above them,now...
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Once again,PeperLevi end up being the rigth one in the discussions!:
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Honestly I'm surprised haha
Cause I feel like, even if you hate the idea, what was the point of NamI having Zeus for that small period of time?
like what did Nami accomplish with having him? Was there any point?
It's just like the Big Mom losing her memory, it really served no purpose, Luffy didn't need Big Mom help for Udon, and also, Big Mom was gonna meet Kaido anyway, so their alliance could have been done regardless, what was the point of the losing memory? I'm not sure!
I feel like Oda had ORIGINAL plans regarding Big Mom losing her memory, and Nami getting Zeus, but I feel Oda retracted on those plans once he saw his audience HATED the idea and rejected it... so he slowly retracted them and undid the plans and went other direction
Cause I feel like, even if you hate the idea, what was the point of NamI having Zeus for that small period of time?
like what did Nami accomplish with having him? Was there any point?
It's just like the Big Mom losing her memory, it really served no purpose, Luffy didn't need Big Mom help for Udon, and also, Big Mom was gonna meet Kaido anyway, so their alliance could have been done regardless, what was the point of the losing memory? I'm not sure!
I feel like Oda had ORIGINAL plans regarding Big Mom losing her memory, and Nami getting Zeus, but I feel Oda retracted on those plans once he saw his audience HATED the idea and rejected it... so he slowly retracted them and undid the plans and went other direction
- For luffy :
By the way the color spread 100% confirms that luffy > kidd and law at the same time.
You can see that his parrot is slightly ahead of Kidd's one while also carrying law. He manages to speedblitz kidd by stealing his food, and law is turning his back showing his acceptance of Luffy's clear superiority .
- for Zoro :
Nitoryo Zoro panted after fighting gifters and he got hyped by them and was asked to join the beast pirates which based on strength they are impressed with his strength despite knowing killing and capturing them will make them fight for tobi roppo seat whereas kidd panted with killer's help who complained about the hard situation against waiters who never asked them and they aren't impressed with their strength and they clowned them not to mention kidd started to sneakattack them .
one took 3 lives ( one was taken out because of the risk ) from hawkins who surpassed his limit while being in niytoryo casually vs law who clashed three times :
1- In the first confrontation, Law had the advantage of knowing who he was fighting from the get-go when from Hawkins' perspective, Law was an unknown. And facing someone as hax as Law without any knowledge is dangerous, so Hawkins had to figure out who he was facing when Law on the other hand was already ready to off him
Yet despite this, Law failed in his mission with Hawkins figuring him out, and stopping him
2- In the second encounter, Hawkins decided to shot him down with seastone and he got nailed , but Law managed to barely escape
3- he clashed with dollless hawkins who needs his dolls to tank attacks and to use them to gain superpower through his cards but with risk and the same hawkins got betrayed yeah he did better than defensive mode nitoryo zoro
another thing the first time we saw law got beating from hawkins he was bleeding from the left side of his face and the same hawkins noticed drake's strange behavior but after the fight law was bleeding from the right side so even base hawkins did better against law what do u think with cards will do ?
▪And in the manga it is implied he defeated Hawkins with his cards ?
And in the manga it is implied he defeated Hawkins with his cards
While Dollless Hawkins got betrayed
@Cyrus the Cactus @HA001 @Aknolagon @Sword God Ryuma @Zowo
Nitoryo Zoro > Kidd > Law > Killer
Santoryo Zoro > Kidd and Law
Bogard Post shows better .
By the way the color spread 100% confirms that luffy > kidd and law at the same time.
You can see that his parrot is slightly ahead of Kidd's one while also carrying law. He manages to speedblitz kidd by stealing his food, and law is turning his back showing his acceptance of Luffy's clear superiority .
- for Zoro :
Nitoryo Zoro panted after fighting gifters and he got hyped by them and was asked to join the beast pirates which based on strength they are impressed with his strength despite knowing killing and capturing them will make them fight for tobi roppo seat whereas kidd panted with killer's help who complained about the hard situation against waiters who never asked them and they aren't impressed with their strength and they clowned them not to mention kidd started to sneakattack them .
one took 3 lives ( one was taken out because of the risk ) from hawkins who surpassed his limit while being in niytoryo casually vs law who clashed three times :
1- In the first confrontation, Law had the advantage of knowing who he was fighting from the get-go when from Hawkins' perspective, Law was an unknown. And facing someone as hax as Law without any knowledge is dangerous, so Hawkins had to figure out who he was facing when Law on the other hand was already ready to off him
Yet despite this, Law failed in his mission with Hawkins figuring him out, and stopping him
2- In the second encounter, Hawkins decided to shot him down with seastone and he got nailed , but Law managed to barely escape
3- he clashed with dollless hawkins who needs his dolls to tank attacks and to use them to gain superpower through his cards but with risk and the same hawkins got betrayed yeah he did better than defensive mode nitoryo zoro
another thing the first time we saw law got beating from hawkins he was bleeding from the left side of his face and the same hawkins noticed drake's strange behavior but after the fight law was bleeding from the right side so even base hawkins did better against law what do u think with cards will do ?
▪And in the manga it is implied he defeated Hawkins with his cards ?
And in the manga it is implied he defeated Hawkins with his cards
While Dollless Hawkins got betrayed
@Cyrus the Cactus @HA001 @Aknolagon @Sword God Ryuma @Zowo
Nitoryo Zoro > Kidd > Law > Killer
Santoryo Zoro > Kidd and Law
Bogard Post shows better .
At full arsenal(10 dolls disperced all over Kuri+monster form), Hawkins can win. They had 3 confrontations
- In the first confrontation, Law had the advantage of knowing who he was fighting from the get-go when from Hawkins' perspective, Law was an unknown. And facing someone as hax as Law without any knowledge is dangerous, so Hawkins had to figure out who he was facing when Law on the other hand was already ready to off him
Yet despite this, Law failed in his mission with Hawkins figuring him out, and stopping him
After that the fight was interrupted, but it helped us knowing something important which is that Law's usual room slash doesn't work on Hawkins because the puppet remains alive, which is a great advantage Hawkins has over Law imo, but i'd explain why later
- In the second encounter, Hawkins decided to shot him down with seastone, but Law managed to barely escape
If you notice the final panel, you'd realize Law instantly vanished afterwards, which suggest the use of shambles after getting rid of the small seastone
And that was Hawkins's major problem imo. Finding a way to capture him without him managing to escape, and it's harder to capture someone than to kill someone, much less someone like Law who possess shamble to escape easily, which is why then in the final encounter he decided to use Law's crew as a bait, not only forcing Law to face him instead of escaping, but indirectly also allowing him to capture him without any risk, a risk Law himself was taking into account in case of direct encounter
Now as to why i think Hawkins has a chance? Well:
- As mentioned above, Hawkins is immune to Law's regular room slashes as long as he has a doll
- Secondly, Hawkins showed preskip that he could disperce his doll in multiple places in sabaody and still redirect damage to them
This is important imo because not only in this configuration, Hawkins would be immune to Law's usual room slashes, but since the dolls would be located in different places, it'd ultimately render Law's efforts in beating Hawkins with his usual room slashes futile, especially if Hawkins starts with 10 dolls available
In this case then, Law would be forced to fight in close combat to inflict damage(with injection shot, radio knife, gamma knife, etc)
And in close combat, Hawkins already showed the ability to react and counter him in base when we know he has a monster transformation which seems to even have expanded over the timeskip, with seemingly levitation mimickery, speed stats calced to Hawkins, and physical strength great enough to make Zoro(physically stronger than Law) struggle
Which could then ultimately not only give Hawkins the advantage in close combat, but also defensively(since Law would have a hard time killing him 10 times especially with his usual room slashes not working), while also having card boosts that could potentially boost him further and further the longer the fight, ultimately then allowing Hawkins to win
Furthermore than this, when the final encounter happened, Hawkins not only was doll-less, but he was betrayed by Drake in an unexplained situation right now where Hawkins may or may not have been caught off-guard, but with Law also visibly more damaged despite ultimately winning in the end, and thus portraying a hypothetical full-health/arsenal Hawkins in Law's reach
With that said, Law overall still has better portrayal, so because of this i think Law might still end up edging this fight, but due to Hawkins being a good match-up for him, it'd not surprise me if he could win
- In the first confrontation, Law had the advantage of knowing who he was fighting from the get-go when from Hawkins' perspective, Law was an unknown. And facing someone as hax as Law without any knowledge is dangerous, so Hawkins had to figure out who he was facing when Law on the other hand was already ready to off him
Yet despite this, Law failed in his mission with Hawkins figuring him out, and stopping him
After that the fight was interrupted, but it helped us knowing something important which is that Law's usual room slash doesn't work on Hawkins because the puppet remains alive, which is a great advantage Hawkins has over Law imo, but i'd explain why later
- In the second encounter, Hawkins decided to shot him down with seastone, but Law managed to barely escape
If you notice the final panel, you'd realize Law instantly vanished afterwards, which suggest the use of shambles after getting rid of the small seastone
And that was Hawkins's major problem imo. Finding a way to capture him without him managing to escape, and it's harder to capture someone than to kill someone, much less someone like Law who possess shamble to escape easily, which is why then in the final encounter he decided to use Law's crew as a bait, not only forcing Law to face him instead of escaping, but indirectly also allowing him to capture him without any risk, a risk Law himself was taking into account in case of direct encounter
Now as to why i think Hawkins has a chance? Well:
- As mentioned above, Hawkins is immune to Law's regular room slashes as long as he has a doll
- Secondly, Hawkins showed preskip that he could disperce his doll in multiple places in sabaody and still redirect damage to them
This is important imo because not only in this configuration, Hawkins would be immune to Law's usual room slashes, but since the dolls would be located in different places, it'd ultimately render Law's efforts in beating Hawkins with his usual room slashes futile, especially if Hawkins starts with 10 dolls available
In this case then, Law would be forced to fight in close combat to inflict damage(with injection shot, radio knife, gamma knife, etc)
And in close combat, Hawkins already showed the ability to react and counter him in base when we know he has a monster transformation which seems to even have expanded over the timeskip, with seemingly levitation mimickery, speed stats calced to Hawkins, and physical strength great enough to make Zoro(physically stronger than Law) struggle
Which could then ultimately not only give Hawkins the advantage in close combat, but also defensively(since Law would have a hard time killing him 10 times especially with his usual room slashes not working), while also having card boosts that could potentially boost him further and further the longer the fight, ultimately then allowing Hawkins to win
Furthermore than this, when the final encounter happened, Hawkins not only was doll-less, but he was betrayed by Drake in an unexplained situation right now where Hawkins may or may not have been caught off-guard, but with Law also visibly more damaged despite ultimately winning in the end, and thus portraying a hypothetical full-health/arsenal Hawkins in Law's reach
With that said, Law overall still has better portrayal, so because of this i think Law might still end up edging this fight, but due to Hawkins being a good match-up for him, it'd not surprise me if he could win
- For luffy :
By the way the color spread 100% confirms that luffy > kidd and law at the same time.
You can see that his parrot is slightly ahead of Kidd's one while also carrying law. He manages to speedblitz kidd by stealing his food, and law is turning his back showing his acceptance of Luffy's clear superiority .
- for Zoro :
Nitoryo Zoro panted after fighting gifters and he got hyped by them and was asked to join the beast pirates which based on strength they are impressed with his strength despite knowing killing and capturing them will make them fight for tobi roppo seat whereas kidd panted with killer's help who complained about the hard situation against waiters who never asked them and they aren't impressed with their strength and they clowned them not to mention kidd started to sneakattack them .
one took 3 lives ( one was taken out because of the risk ) from hawkins who surpassed his limit while being in niytoryo casually vs law who clashed three times :
1- In the first confrontation, Law had the advantage of knowing who he was fighting from the get-go when from Hawkins' perspective, Law was an unknown. And facing someone as hax as Law without any knowledge is dangerous, so Hawkins had to figure out who he was facing when Law on the other hand was already ready to off him
Yet despite this, Law failed in his mission with Hawkins figuring him out, and stopping him
2- In the second encounter, Hawkins decided to shot him down with seastone and he got nailed , but Law managed to barely escape
3- he clashed with dollless hawkins who needs his dolls to tank attacks and to use them to gain superpower through his cards but with risk and the same hawkins got betrayed yeah he did better than defensive mode nitoryo zoro
another thing the first time we saw law got beating from hawkins he was bleeding from the left side of his face and the same hawkins noticed drake's strange behavior but after the fight law was bleeding from the right side so even base hawkins did better against law what do u think with cards will do ?
▪And in the manga it is implied he defeated Hawkins with his cards ?
And in the manga it is implied he defeated Hawkins with his cards
While Dollless Hawkins got betrayed
Nitoryo Zoro > Kidd > Law > Killer
Santoryo Zoro > Kidd and Law
Bogard Post shows better .
By the way the color spread 100% confirms that luffy > kidd and law at the same time.
You can see that his parrot is slightly ahead of Kidd's one while also carrying law. He manages to speedblitz kidd by stealing his food, and law is turning his back showing his acceptance of Luffy's clear superiority .
- for Zoro :
Nitoryo Zoro panted after fighting gifters and he got hyped by them and was asked to join the beast pirates which based on strength they are impressed with his strength despite knowing killing and capturing them will make them fight for tobi roppo seat whereas kidd panted with killer's help who complained about the hard situation against waiters who never asked them and they aren't impressed with their strength and they clowned them not to mention kidd started to sneakattack them .
one took 3 lives ( one was taken out because of the risk ) from hawkins who surpassed his limit while being in niytoryo casually vs law who clashed three times :
1- In the first confrontation, Law had the advantage of knowing who he was fighting from the get-go when from Hawkins' perspective, Law was an unknown. And facing someone as hax as Law without any knowledge is dangerous, so Hawkins had to figure out who he was facing when Law on the other hand was already ready to off him
Yet despite this, Law failed in his mission with Hawkins figuring him out, and stopping him
2- In the second encounter, Hawkins decided to shot him down with seastone and he got nailed , but Law managed to barely escape
3- he clashed with dollless hawkins who needs his dolls to tank attacks and to use them to gain superpower through his cards but with risk and the same hawkins got betrayed yeah he did better than defensive mode nitoryo zoro
another thing the first time we saw law got beating from hawkins he was bleeding from the left side of his face and the same hawkins noticed drake's strange behavior but after the fight law was bleeding from the right side so even base hawkins did better against law what do u think with cards will do ?
▪And in the manga it is implied he defeated Hawkins with his cards ?
And in the manga it is implied he defeated Hawkins with his cards
While Dollless Hawkins got betrayed
Nitoryo Zoro > Kidd > Law > Killer
Santoryo Zoro > Kidd and Law
Bogard Post shows better .
you : they are better than Zoro
me : where is Zoro there to make your headcanons around ?
you : silence
me : I gave my interpretation of the cover page based on Luffy and kidd and Law and Nitoryo Zoro based on the manga panels .
You : Don't use headcanons
Me : GTFOH you brought Zoro out of nowhere and he didn't appear even in the cover while i used what appeared in the cover and in the manga panel
you :
me : where is Zoro there to make your headcanons around ?
you : silence
me : I gave my interpretation of the cover page based on Luffy and kidd and Law and Nitoryo Zoro based on the manga panels .
You : Don't use headcanons
Me : GTFOH you brought Zoro out of nowhere and he didn't appear even in the cover while i used what appeared in the cover and in the manga panel
you :
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