Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

LGBT+ isn't a belief

The people around that smurf received death threats -and international hate- and people on this forum found nothing better to do than to laugh at it.

The ceremony wasn't even insulting but whatever, you guys should be more chill. The guys behind the show even apologized in order to calm people down. I'm not exploding in rage when someone talks shit about my favorite thinker though.

I'm chill as fuck. Your laws are hypocritical though...

No. I'm simply explaining that its not a big deal. Nuance (that you fail to understand, like always). Also we do not "discriminate" an ideology, we discriminate its believers. No one was discriminated here, it was a ceremony in a western country where christianity remains hegemonic and its believers in position of domination so, don't worry about that.


Yes some religion needs different treatment in fonction of the context. If we were talking about a ceremony mocking christianity were christian are oppressed, then yes, that would have been a bit more problematic. But this is not the case here.

So, relax big man and don't be afraid, your religion will not disappear because of a few Drag Queens.



The guy was obviously Dyonisos and a funny one.. there was absolutely nothing wrong with that. It was funny and I'm sure kids laughed when they saw him.

Those reactionnaries are so insecure..



Yes, exactly. Freedom to believe and freedom to mock.



You literally tried to find a reason to be Islamophobic a few hours ago. Don't give moral lessons about religious oppressions mate, you don't understand them.



Its useless, Mods don't understand the problem with this type of transphobia.

But feel free to test. Go to the r/Trans and ask people if its ok to say that a person with male sexual characteristics is necessarily a man.

You might have fun.



Einstein.

In 2227 pages, you have NEVER given me ONE evidences to prove one of your point on a philosophical, political or scientific basis when ME, on the other hand, have been riddling this thread with many ressources from militants and political video, to philosophical deconstruction to scientific evidences and researches.

The only thing that you know how to do, is to spam the same channel over and over again.

So, same as your mate Nameless, you can spare me the moral lessons about shame. You have none.


Who cares, this is the best political way to react to a social reality.



Actually, the president is probably VERY MAD about this ceremony.

The guys who made it was a leftists. The president is not pro-LGBQT+

This is what we explain when we speek about disruption. It was not direct at you, but toward the gov first.



Ye, because you are targeting people, not an ideology.

Ideology/Belief = / = People.

The ONLY case where you need to be careful is the case where said belief is oppressed.

This is not the case here.

Wait,you said broadly mocking Christians doesn't target individuals, but broadly mocking Homosexuals targets individuals. Are you dumb? Don't you see you are contradicting yourself? There are literal athletes getting penalized over manifesting their religion. How is that not discrimination?
I would understand targeting individuals with insults. Example: "Joe is stupid because he likes to get buttfucked". This is a personal insult. "Buttfuckers are stupid". This is not a personal insult, no individuals were target here. Making broad statements isn't a personal attack.
Is it disrespectful towards individuals that qualify to this, yes? But so is what happened in the Olympics and yet no individuals were targeted and nobody has grounds for a sue. Why the fuck should public insults to homosexuals get different treatment? This is a biased legislation.
Also, show me the quote where i justified Islamophobia, cunt. Another one of your lies. You have no ground to stand on, so you lie and twist things.

 

[Mathias]

Demographics say otherwise.

Odds to become a catholic kingdom are infinitely higher. France becoming a caliphate isn't happening. You guys are waiting for the big replacement of western population as you are waiting for armageddon. Even in a thousand years there won't be a big replacement

WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT ODA ?????????

lol, not even Oda, I said thinker.

 

[Ravagerblade]

We are only two actual leftists and I'm the most radical.

The only reason why you feel empowered here is because we are surrounded by reactionnaries and conservative/confused liberals. And We are still kicking all your a*ses in the debate without efforts.

So don't try to act tough mate. You aint.

Oh no you got me!! I'm so scared.
Pff Dude you wouldn't last 3 seconds, Don't start shit if you can't handle it. Mods here practically suck you off, and you've gotten way over your head with ego you pansy ass little shit.

 

[NAMELESS]

LGBT+ isn't a belief

The people around that smurf received death threats -and international hate- and people on this forum found nothing better to do than to laugh at it.

The ceremony wasn't even insulting but whatever, you guys should be more chill. The guys behind the show even apologized in order to calm people down. I'm not exploding in rage when someone talks shit about my favorite thinker though.

Sexual orientation is just an idea. A metaphysical entity. Why is it French law forbids mocking sexual preferences, but not religious preferences? Explain why this isn't a double standard.

 

[Mathias]

I'm chill as fuck. You are laws are hypocritical though...

Even Brazil is secular dude. I'm pretty sure you have LGBT pride marches there too. And no one is calling the carnaval in Rio or whatever "an obscene" "tasteless" and "anti-Christian" stuff

Sexual orientation is just an idea. A metaphysical entity. Why is it French law forbids mocking sexual preferences, but not religious preferences? Explain why this isn't a double standard.

It's a desire, not "just an idea". Anyway, every country make their own secularism the way they want. Christians are not in danger in France.

 

[NAMELESS]

Odds to become a catholic kingdom are infinitely higher. France becoming a caliphate isn't happening. You guys are waiting for the big replacement of western population as you are waiting for armageddon. Even in a thousand years there won't be a big replacement



lol, not even Oda, I said thinker.

Catholic Kingdom in a land where Churches are turned into Whore houses and Raves? I think this is very unlikely.

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We are only two actual leftists and I'm the most radical.

The only reason why you feel empowered here is because we are surrounded by reactionnaries and conservative/confused liberals. And We are still kicking all your a*ses in the debate without efforts.

So don't try to act tough mate. You aint.

Dude, who are you trying to scare? You can only type in a keyboard

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Even Brazil is secular dude. I'm pretty sure you have LGBT pride marches there too. And no one is calling the carnaval in Rio or whatever "an obscene" "tasteless" and "anti-Christian" stuff



It's a desire, not "just an idea". Anyway, every country make their own secularism the way they want. Christians are not in danger in France.

Here in Brazil, you can openly make fun of religion, but you CAN'T public mock individuals due to their religion. The same goes for sexual preferences, make gay jokes all you want, but don't try to humiliate someone publicly over their sexual preferences. I thought this was common sense. Why is this not the case in France? Why is the Law so biased?
As for Carnival, its is often tasteless, obscene and anti-christian. People are free to criticize it and boycott people that they feel like not financing.

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Even Brazil is secular dude. I'm pretty sure you have LGBT pride marches there too. And no one is calling the carnaval in Rio or whatever "an obscene" "tasteless" and "anti-Christian" stuff



It's a desire, not "just an idea". Anyway, every country make their own secularism the way they want. Christians are not in danger in France.

Shoving down secularism in the throat of Christians is danger in my book. Priests cant preach the gospel freely in France.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/04/08/french-priest-targeted-by-government-for-homophobia/

 

[Mathias]

Catholic Kingdom in a land where Churches are turned into Whore houses and Raves? I think this is very unlikely.

Thanks for the hope. But the catholic-nazi party is the first political party in the country (outside alliances).

Here in Brazil, you can openly make fun of religion, but you CAN'T public mock individuals due to their religion. The same goes for sexual preferences, make gay jokes all you want, but don't try to humiliate someone publicly over their sexual preferences. I thought this was common sense. Why is this not the case in France? Why is the Law so biased?
As for Carnival, its is often tasteless, obscene and anti-christian. People are free to criticize it and boycott people that they like not financing.

Fair enough. I'll have to double check on these Brazilian laws though. However, no "individual" was mocked with that ceremony as far as I can tell.

 

[Zenos7]

Of course it isn't, but by French Law, you can't make a mockery of homosexuality or you go to jail. The same government allows people to openly mock religion. See the hypocrisy?

If true, sure.

 

[NAMELESS]

Laic/Secular state doesn't mean discriminating, banning or persecuting religion or their followers. Laic state means Laws aren't based in any religious teaching.

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Thanks for the hope. But the catholic-nazi party is the first political party in the country (outside alliances).




Fair enough. I'll have to double check on these Brazilian laws though. However, no "individual" was mocked with that ceremony as far as I can tell.

Yeah, but that was not what i was debating. I was debating the hypocrisy of criminalizing similar displays towards homosexuality.

 

[Zenos7]

Its useless, Mods don't understand the problem with this type of transphobia.

But feel free to test. Go to the r/Trans and ask people if its ok to say that a person with male sexual characteristics is necessarily a man.

You might have fun.

Mods understand that a man by definition is male.

Hit us up when dictionaries change it up to your version.

 

[NAMELESS]

If true, sure.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/dec/24/gayrights.gender
https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE...serGroupName=anon~3beeef9a&aty=open-web-entry

 

[Mathias]

Shoving down secularism in the throat of Christians is danger in my book. Priests cant preach the gospel freely in France.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/04/08/french-priest-targeted-by-government-for-homophobia/

Secularism means separation of State and Religion. France isn't Christian, it's Secular. It's about tolerance. Considering how it took more than a century after the revolution to pass secular laws in 1905, I fail to understand how it's shoved down the throat.

And yeah we do something about the far-right wing imbecile priests who preach hate. We already do for imam who are "too much" salafists. We should do the same for the rabbis who endorse Tsahal.

 

[NAMELESS]

@Zenos7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_France
Hate crime laws
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On 31 December 2004, the National Assembly approved an amendment to existing anti-discrimination legislation, making homophobic, sexist, racist, xenophobic etc. comments illegal. The maximum penalty of a €45,000 fine and/or 12 months' imprisonment has been criticised by civil liberty groups such as Reporters Without Borders as a serious infringement on free speech. But the conservative Chirac Government pointed to a rise in anti-gay violence as justification for the measure. Ironically, an MP in Chirac's own UMP party, Christian Vanneste, became the first person to be convicted under the law in January 2006 although this conviction was later cancelled by the Court of Cassation after a refused appeal.[67]

The law of December 2004 created the Haute autorité de lutte contre les discriminations et pour l'égalité (High Authority against Discrimination and for Equality). Title 3 and articles 20 and 21 of the law amended the Law on the Freedom of the Press of 29 July 1881 to make provisions for more specific offenses including injury, defamation, insult, incitement to hatred or violence, or discrimination against a person or group of persons because of their gender, sexual orientation or disability. When a physical assault or murder is motivated by the sexual orientation of the victim, the law increases the penalties that are normally given.

In October 2018, after a rise in a series of homophobic attacks, President Emmanuel Macron denounced the homophobic violence as being "unworthy of France", announcing future "concrete measures". He tweeted: "Homophobic violence must be a concern for our entire society. They are unworthy of France. Concrete measures will be announced but they [cannot] replace humanity and tolerance which are at the heart of our culture", without specifying the content of these future measures.[68][69][70]

A report released on 16 May 2020, right before the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia, showed that homophobic and transphobic attacks and insults rose by 36% in 2019. Police identified around 1,870 victims of transphobic and homophobic attacks. In 2018, the figures were around 1,380.[71]

 

[Logiko]

Its seems like three of my posts were deleted, but I absolutely can't find nor remember which ones. What was the off topic mods (so I do not do it again) ?

@Uncle Van @AL sama @Natalija

 

[NAMELESS]

Secularism means separation of State and Religion. France isn't Christian, it's Secular. It's about tolerance. Considering how it took more than a century after the revolution to pass secular laws in 1905, I fail to understand how it's shoved down the throat.

And yeah we do something about the far-right wing imbecile priests who preach hate. We already do for imam who are "too much" salafists. We should do the same for the rabbis who endorse Tsahal.

"God loves all sinners, but he hates sin". "Homosexuality is a sin,repent and convert". This is the Christian belief, how the fuck is that hate speech? This is straight up religious persecution and a crime against free speech. Also, what exactly constitutes an insult or hate speech? These are pretty vague.

 

[Uncle Van]

Its seems like three of my posts were deleted, but I absolutely can't find nor remember which ones. What was the off topic mods (so I do not do it again) ?

@Uncle Van @AL sama @Natalija

The post chain from earlier talking about your life

 

[NAMELESS]

The post chain from earlier talking about your life

Just as he requested lol lmfao

 

[Ravagerblade]

 

[Logiko]

The post chain from earlier talking about your life

Oh ! Ok cool. I thought it was something more important.

 

[Mathias]

"God loves all sinners but he hates sin". "Homosexuality is a sin,repent and convert". This is the Christian belief, how the fuck is that hate speech? This is straight up religious persecution and a crime against free speech. Also, what exactly constitutes an insult or hate speech? These are pretty vague.

Pope did some efforts with the gays. You should follow his guidance for he is God’s envoy on earth or whatever