General & Others Pick your poison Big Mom or Kidd

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#61
The thing is, it's not like the statement is contradicted by feats. Genuinely, post sky split g2/3 Luffy had better feats than Big Mom showed against Kidd and Law, or anyone for that matter. The statement is pretty clear cut but it especially holds a lot of weight because it reflects what we saw.


Where?
If not for the G4 timelimit, Luffy can defeat Linlin without G5.

Faster, more nimble, can hit hard with Boundman, Snakeman is pain to get around, and is immune/resistant to 2/3 homies.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#69
If not for the G4 timelimit, Luffy can defeat Linlin without G5.

Faster, more nimble, can hit hard with Boundman, Snakeman is pain to get around, and is immune/resistant to 2/3 homies.
G4 timelimit ain't that big of an issue against BM, with gear stacking, complete immunity to lightning, and FS, there isn't anything logically stopping Luffy from only fighting in G2/3 for as long as he needs to bring BM's hp down, and then finishing with the final G4 assault if needed. he will be giving her the beatdown of the century, and she does not have the AP or Speed to even compete. Luffy was straight up just tanking Drunk haki amped Ragnorak level attacks and coming right back at Kaidou.
There is not a single attack BM has that competes with the above, nor is there a single CQC BM attack which she can land like that against Luffy. BM doesn't have the speed or the AP to compete, while Luffy has everything in his toolkit to be breaking Big Mom inside out.

BM cannot operate at this level in CQC.


This is what BM looked like after some brief fighting and a couple attacks from awakened Kidd and Law, despite having the ability to heal.

BM vs Pre G5 Luffy entirely depends on if Luffy is fighting properly, or if Luffy wants to be a complete jackass. BM is at the mercy of Luffy at the end of the day, even ignoring Kaidou's statement confirming Luffy's superiority, he's just a bad matchup for BM, he has internal attacks amped with ACoC, so her best asset in durability is easily bypassed, while he is immune to lightning, can casually tank much stronger attacks than she can dish out consistently, and has FS to outmaneuver her ontop of already being faster. There's really no reason for Luffy to fight in G4 let alone G5. G4 can be activated when she's on the brink of her HP and stamina, after taking hundreds of ACoC attacks.

I don't even want to think about what Luffy will do a weakened and drained BM with that final G4 assault. He will turn her into mincemeat.


Everything checks out here, Kaidou wasn't just talking out of his ass.
 
#71
Man if Wano Kidd and Law managed to defeat Kizaru, with his best attack being misery which did absolutely nothing and Law cut in half casually, I would be calling him by far the weakest top tier. Then to pour salt on the wounds, Oda had Kaidou make multiple disrespectful statements towards her. That's all there is to it.

Blame Oda, don't take your frustrations out on others.
Sorry

Kizaru can't do what katakuri can
He's just another Doffy : can't damage g4
Pathetic
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Prove he fought Shanks.

Kaidou fought Big Mom on panel and then considered g2/g3 Luffy to be better 😭
Prove they didn't fight

When it's actually said they fought in the manga, sbs, magazines, vivrecards lol
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G4 timelimit ain't that big of an issue against BM, with gear stacking, complete immunity to lightning, and FS, there isn't anything logically stopping Luffy from only fighting in G2/3 for as long as he needs to bring BM's hp down, and then finishing with the final G4 assault if needed. he will be giving her the beatdown of the century, and she does not have the AP or Speed to even compete. Luffy was straight up just tanking Drunk haki amped Ragnorak level attacks and coming right back at Kaidou.
There is not a single attack BM has that competes with the above, nor is there a single CQC BM attack which she can land like that against Luffy. BM doesn't have the speed or the AP to compete, while Luffy has everything in his toolkit to be breaking Big Mom inside out.

BM cannot operate at this level in CQC.


This is what BM looked like after some brief fighting and a couple attacks from awakened Kidd and Law, despite having the ability to heal.

BM vs Pre G5 Luffy entirely depends on if Luffy is fighting properly, or if Luffy wants to be a complete jackass. BM is at the mercy of Luffy at the end of the day, even ignoring Kaidou's statement confirming Luffy's superiority, he's just a bad matchup for BM, he has internal attacks amped with ACoC, so her best asset in durability is easily bypassed, while he is immune to lightning, can casually tank much stronger attacks than she can dish out consistently, and has FS to outmaneuver her ontop of already being faster. There's really no reason for Luffy to fight in G4 let alone G5. G4 can be activated when she's on the brink of her HP and stamina, after taking hundreds of ACoC attacks.

I don't even want to think about what Luffy will do a weakened and drained BM with that final G4 assault. He will turn her into mincemeat.


Everything checks out here, Kaidou wasn't just talking out of his ass.
You can cope like you want

Kizaur can't damage G4
Adcoc G4 won't KO Linlin

:gokulaugh:all of these just to cope that Kaido never said what you're saying.

Btw kaido and BM fought in base
Nobody went all out, how does the statement even prove g2/g3> BM
When kaido never fought Bigger Mom in their 3 days fight , not even fused linlin?

It only proves adcoc g2/g3 > base Linlin /casual Shanks


It's like me claiming Kid and law have better AP than Kaido cause they did what he didn't do in their 3 days fight

You sound so silly
 
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#72
G4 timelimit ain't that big of an issue against BM, with gear stacking, complete immunity to lightning, and FS, there isn't anything logically stopping Luffy from only fighting in G2/3 for as long as he needs to bring BM's hp down, and then finishing with the final G4 assault if needed. he will be giving her the beatdown of the century, and she does not have the AP or Speed to even compete. Luffy was straight up just tanking Drunk haki amped Ragnorak level attacks and coming right back at Kaidou.
There is not a single attack BM has that competes with the above, nor is there a single CQC BM attack which she can land like that against Luffy. BM doesn't have the speed or the AP to compete, while Luffy has everything in his toolkit to be breaking Big Mom inside out.

BM cannot operate at this level in CQC.


This is what BM looked like after some brief fighting and a couple attacks from awakened Kidd and Law, despite having the ability to heal.

BM vs Pre G5 Luffy entirely depends on if Luffy is fighting properly, or if Luffy wants to be a complete jackass. BM is at the mercy of Luffy at the end of the day, even ignoring Kaidou's statement confirming Luffy's superiority, he's just a bad matchup for BM, he has internal attacks amped with ACoC, so her best asset in durability is easily bypassed, while he is immune to lightning, can casually tank much stronger attacks than she can dish out consistently, and has FS to outmaneuver her ontop of already being faster. There's really no reason for Luffy to fight in G4 let alone G5. G4 can be activated when she's on the brink of her HP and stamina, after taking hundreds of ACoC attacks.

I don't even want to think about what Luffy will do a weakened and drained BM with that final G4 assault. He will turn her into mincemeat.


Everything checks out here, Kaidou wasn't just talking out of his ass.
You need Bajrang Gun tier AP to take out Big Mom

Law couldn’t even take her out with PW, which shits on most of Luffy’s AP.

base Luffy also just lacks mobility to deal with top tiers. His base mobility to Kid(see: Udon). While obviously Luffy has better CoO than Kid, he still needs G5 mobility to hang with top tiers. It’s why he spammed G5 against the gorosei.

Without it he gets overwhelmed by Misery, just like Kid did.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#76
Not really

It's similar to what BM said about not feeling that much pain for decades

It was nothing more than a friendly sparring match in which neither side was superior to the other
Big Mom didn't lie either. The combined force of Awakened Law and Kidd's attack hurt her more than Base Kaidou attacks.

Both statements by Kaidou and Big Mom are completely accurate and backed by feats.
 
#77
Not really

It's similar to what BM said about not feeling that much pain for decades

It was nothing more than a friendly sparring match in which neither side was superior to the other
People blinded by hate will take any form of sentences and strip context to justify their loathing of a character
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If not for the G4 timelimit, Luffy can defeat Linlin without G5.

Faster, more nimble, can hit hard with Boundman, Snakeman is pain to get around, and is immune/resistant to 2/3 homies.
Still wouldn't be practical since Luffy can still take heavy damage from flames, especially if Prometheus decides to Entei body bomb himself while Luffy is wailing on her with Snakeman.

Luffy has no way to generate damage to that of Puncture Wille and Island-continental-ish Nukes without BM countering him with flames and super-flames of Misery.

@ConquistadoR
 
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#79
G4 timelimit ain't that big of an issue against BM, with gear stacking, complete immunity to lightning, and FS, there isn't anything logically stopping Luffy from only fighting in G2/3 for as long as he needs to bring BM's hp down, and then finishing with the final G4 assault if needed. he will be giving her the beatdown of the century, and she does not have the AP or Speed to even compete. Luffy was straight up just tanking Drunk haki amped Ragnorak level attacks and coming right back at Kaidou.
There is not a single attack BM has that competes with the above, nor is there a single CQC BM attack which she can land like that against Luffy. BM doesn't have the speed or the AP to compete, while Luffy has everything in his toolkit to be breaking Big Mom inside out.

BM cannot operate at this level in CQC.


This is what BM looked like after some brief fighting and a couple attacks from awakened Kidd and Law, despite having the ability to heal.

BM vs Pre G5 Luffy entirely depends on if Luffy is fighting properly, or if Luffy wants to be a complete jackass. BM is at the mercy of Luffy at the end of the day, even ignoring Kaidou's statement confirming Luffy's superiority, he's just a bad matchup for BM, he has internal attacks amped with ACoC, so her best asset in durability is easily bypassed, while he is immune to lightning, can casually tank much stronger attacks than she can dish out consistently, and has FS to outmaneuver her ontop of already being faster. There's really no reason for Luffy to fight in G4 let alone G5. G4 can be activated when she's on the brink of her HP and stamina, after taking hundreds of ACoC attacks.

I don't even want to think about what Luffy will do a weakened and drained BM with that final G4 assault. He will turn her into mincemeat.


Everything checks out here, Kaidou wasn't just talking out of his ass.
@TheAncientCenturion what have you done fool
 
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