Controversial Three Questions, Afterlife, Spirits, and Morality
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I think everyone can have their own somewhat different ideas about morality, but that the fundamental core of those who are at least somewhat intending to find what is good, is the same, and that that is something that we are born with, but we can be desensetyzed to it,
For example, there was a person named John Brown that passed away, close to the begining of the american civil war for the abolition of slavery I think, and I heard a story, I'm not entirely sure if it is true, I can fact check it if you would like to, who as a little child, had a black friend, and saw his friend be abused by a slave owner, and saw it for what it was, so did many people before in history, I think slavery being bad is something that we are born with, but the idea that it's a necesarry evil, or that it's good, can be imposed on someone, and make them numb to its evil, unless they hold on to what's good,
But by natural, do you mean that it's something that we gain by living, or that morality does not exist in nature, like among animals?,
For example, there was a person named John Brown that passed away, close to the begining of the american civil war for the abolition of slavery I think, and I heard a story, I'm not entirely sure if it is true, I can fact check it if you would like to, who as a little child, had a black friend, and saw his friend be abused by a slave owner, and saw it for what it was, so did many people before in history, I think slavery being bad is something that we are born with, but the idea that it's a necesarry evil, or that it's good, can be imposed on someone, and make them numb to its evil, unless they hold on to what's good,
But by natural, do you mean that it's something that we gain by living, or that morality does not exist in nature, like among animals?,
No. No and no. For the last question, I'm a Materialist and physicalist. I believe that reality exist despite us. And morality is relative to cultures and our needs as a specie.
From this point of view, there can't be an objective morality. You could argue that there could be an objective HUMAN morality, but there will never be a universal objective morality
From this point of view, there can't be an objective morality. You could argue that there could be an objective HUMAN morality, but there will never be a universal objective morality
May I ask @AL sama @Logiko , do you think that, even if morality is subjective, we are born with an ingrained sense of morality, due to genetics or the evolution of the mind or something like that?,
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Why so?,
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Why so?
But to talk a bit about Logiko said, I think I may be a materialist too, but I think materialist can get confused with physicalist, if spirits exist, then to act as if they don't is idealist, and to act as if they do is materialist, for example, unless I misunderstood,
But, why can there be an objective human morality, and do you think that there is one?,
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Why so?,
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Why so?
But to talk a bit about Logiko said, I think I may be a materialist too, but I think materialist can get confused with physicalist, if spirits exist, then to act as if they don't is idealist, and to act as if they do is materialist, for example, unless I misunderstood,
But, why can there be an objective human morality, and do you think that there is one?,
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Morality is a social construct that we built around our basic needs of survival. We do not have morality in a vacuum but anytype of social relationship that we will have, be it with a human or a non human will influence us and create our morality.
Because in an infinite universe, there is an infinite ways for evolutions to creates social species and therefore an infinite shape that morality can take in a legitimate way.
No.
If spirits exist, then they are part of the material world and therefore are just phenomenon waiting to be understood. Hence, believing in spirit in a materialistic way is being prepared to rationnalize the existence of these phenomenon.
In the same way, having a materialistic approach is also the fact of understanding that without material evidences, there are no reasons to believe in spirits.
Ergo, a deep materialist will usually not believe in spirits. Because we have no evidences of the phenomenon.
Because in an infinite universe, there is an infinite ways for evolutions to creates social species and therefore an infinite shape that morality can take in a legitimate way.
No.
If spirits exist, then they are part of the material world and therefore are just phenomenon waiting to be understood. Hence, believing in spirit in a materialistic way is being prepared to rationnalize the existence of these phenomenon.
In the same way, having a materialistic approach is also the fact of understanding that without material evidences, there are no reasons to believe in spirits.
Ergo, a deep materialist will usually not believe in spirits. Because we have no evidences of the phenomenon.