Powers & Abilities Considering Shanks' mastery of divine departure

[Erkan12]

Tha only thing we know bout Mihawk is that he’s tha WSS and accomplished his goal. Mihawk is a swordsman and has never even implied or anything that he’s ever gone for tha PK title, so we can only go off what his ONLY goal is. And he accomplished it

As I asked you, show me the source saying Pirate Mihawk's goal was being WGS only, not about anything related to being a Pirate. Thats never mentioned, being a pirate and being WGS has nothing to do with it, Mihawk's job is to be pirate, WGS is byproduct. Mihawk's job isn't being a swordsman, there is no job definition such as being swordsman. Pirates, revolutionaries and marines can be swordsman. And Mihawk is a pirate, and what Mihawk the pirate is? Not a great pirate.

Then you are saying Kaido and ''Great'' pirates are losers, what Shanks and Luffy agreed about?

Once he becomes a Great pirate, his promise was fulfilled. So now great pirates are losers but Not great pirate Mihawk is not a loser huh?

This series story is based on fighting against the pirates called Emperors, like it or not, being a Great / Emperor Pirate is more influential and more important than WGS, thats why Mihawk is equal with Croco and underling of an Emperor.

And that great pirate is a career loser right alongside Kaidou and Big Mam. If they were ACTUAL winners etc they would’ve became tha PK. Instead they aren’t good enough, and HAVE to settle for being Yonko, a title that is OBJECTIVELY and INHERENTLY a silver medalist and tha first losers of tha race for tha throne……

Mihawk himself admitted PK is more difficult than surpassing his level.

So its PK > Surpassing Mihawk > Mihawk.

Now you call Mihawk winner and call other people loser for not accomplishing something even more difficult than surpassing Mihawk?

He was forced to be Crocodiles equal….so by your OWN logic, BlackBeard was FORCED to be Kuzans equal too then right, right…..

Aokiji is Teach's underling.

Crocodile is not Mihawk's underling.

I only bring that up because Mihawk put himself on equal level with someone like Crocodile, who you think is a loser.

If Mihawk is such a winner, he would never agreed to be equals with Crocodile, either Croc becomes his underling or he wouldn't be equal partners with Mihawk.

Mihawk has a Worlds Strongest title, something Shanks has never had and will never have. So yes, Mihawk accomplished what he set out to do and Shanks has not, that is tha definition of a loser

Show me the source saying Shanks wants to be WGS.

Shanks doesn't give af about being WGS, he cares about being Great Pirate and also One Piece.

Until you show me Shanks wanted to be WGS and failed your post is an insane delusion and crazy Mihawk rant.

We have no idea in what context he was ''betrayed'',, you're just asuming he was a pirate and pass it as the truth.
If anything and by gathering the crumbs that we have, he may have been a MARINE and got beyrayed by someone he considered a friend in the MARINE and so started his hunt against the MARINE; still speculation but more viable than him pursuing PK or being in the crew of a wannabe PK and then gets betrayed and decides to hunt marine to get his revenge lol wtf ?
Your hate blinds you to the point where your brain only sees ONE possibility and it's not even the most likely...

To summarize what we know though, Mihawk is the WSS in title and in reality and any other swordsman is automatically below him which brings us to the topic of Shanks being weaker than Mihawk, especially now that he only has one arm...

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Oh and to answer the other question about Mihawk's goal; we have no idea what it is but again, with dialogues we have we can conclude that he always pursuied the ultimate swordsmanship since he was said to have sailed around and challenged everyone until there were no more capable of giving him a challenge especially after Shanks lost an arm...These information are known!!!! The rest is poetry.

By using ''title'' logic, Shanks is a Great Pirate, and any pirate (such as Mihawk) who isn't a Great Pirate, is automatically below him.

Calling Mihawk a winner when he becomes equal partners with Crocodile and then calling Crocodile a loser is just crazy lmao.

Calling great pirate Shanks weaker than pirate Mihawk is crazy when Mihawk didn't even beat anyone who is decent, currently equal partners with Crocodile.

Meanwhile Shanks makes people like Beckman, Roo and Yasopp his underlings, easily defeats 3 billion pirates like Kid, and equally fights with WSM and WSC, something Mihawk didn't show.

Shanks is more proven by feats, Great Pirate title vs WGS title, Great Pirate title is superior as we know Mihawk wants to hide behind Buggy's Great Pirate title meanwhile he has the WGS title, that shows Great Pirate title is bigger than WGS title.

Mihawk's job is being a pirate, Shanks's job is being a pirate, only one of them is ''great'' between the 2.

Mihawk being WGS doesn't make him superior to Shanks, just like Roger wasn't WGS that doesn't mean he is inferior to Mihawk lmao.

Roger was also a ''Great Pirate'' before being PK, he wasn't called WGS. Why would Shanks be different when they use same styles? Those Kamusari style doesn't make them WGS this is confirmed.

 

[Jiihad]

As I asked you, show me the source saying Pirate Mihawk's goal was being WGS only, not about anything related to being a Pirate. Thats never mentioned, being a pirate and being WGS has nothing to do with it, Mihawk's job is to be pirate, WGS is byproduct. Mihawk's job isn't being a swordsman, there is no job definition such as being swordsman. Pirates, revolutionaries and marines can be swordsman. And Mihawk is a pirate, and what Mihawk the pirate is? Not a great pirate.

Then you are saying Kaido and ''Great'' pirates are losers, what Shanks and Luffy agreed about?

That’s tha only thing we know bout Mihawk is that he’s tha WSS, his reasoning etc for that is irrelevant at this point because we don’t know what caused/influenced it. So tryin to say his job is being a pirate is idiotic and makes no sense. He isn’t beholden to being a pirate. He has to choose to be one, same way how he chose to pursue swordsmanship. And in his chosen field, he’s tha best and accomplished what every other swordsman wants to

That’s cool, Great Pirate Shanks is still by definition a loser

Then you are saying Kaido and ''Great'' pirates are losers, what Shanks and Luffy agreed about?

Yes factually Kaiodu and tha rest of tha Yonko are inherently losers by nature of being Yonko. It’s not a difficult concept, what Luffy and Shanks agreed about has no bearing on whether or not Shanks and by extension tha Yonko are losers

Once he becomes a Great pirate, his promise was fulfilled. So now great pirates are losers but Not great pirate Mihawk is not a loser huh?

This series story is based on fighting against the pirates called Emperors, like it or not, being a Great / Emperor Pirate is more influential and more important than WGS, thats why Mihawk is equal with Croco and underling of an Emperor.

And fulfilling that promise doesn’t negate Shanks from being a loser lol, what? Yes fulfilling that promise is important…to Luffy and Shanks. That’s it end of discussion, nobody else in tha verse kares bout that promise. If Luffy only ever fulfills that promise and stops there. Did he win? Did he win tha race that he chose to enter?

Iirc(I’ll have to check tha DB/VC or whatever) Mihawk set out to challenge strong opponents and become tha strongest swordsman. He accomplished that, he chose a path, rose through tha ranks and claimed tha throne of strongest swordsman alive. Factually he won and every other swordsman lost. Same way how Roger won since he became King and EVERY other pirate lost(therefore they are losers like I said)

And Mihawk as an underling has a higher bounty than his captain….

Mihawk himself admitted PK is more difficult than surpassing his level.

So its PK > Surpassing Mihawk > Mihawk.

Now you call Mihawk winner and call other people loser for not accomplishing something even more difficult than surpassing Mihawk?

PK being more difficult to achieve doesn’t take away from tha fact that ALL swordsmen are losers until one of them usurps Mihawk for tha throne

Aokiji is Teach's underling.

Crocodile is not Mihawk's underling.

I only bring that up because Mihawk put himself on equal level with someone like Crocodile, who you think is a loser.

If Mihawk is such a winner, he would never agreed to be equals with Crocodile, either Croc becomes his underling or he wouldn't be equal partners with Mihawk.

So you intentionally chose not to read that cross guild chapter with any sort of context huh? Mihawk literally says “ I prefer a quiet life, let’s have him(referring to buggy) be tha face while we take it easy in tha shadows”

Him choosing/agreeing to work alongside equally with Crocodile has nothing to do with whether or not Mihawk is a winner lmao. Croc is good at this one thing(planning and puttin together legit plans and gathering funds) and Mihawk is good at this other thing(fighting and having fighting capabilities/strength on par with other top tiers) it’s a mutually beneficial relationship. Why wouldn’t Mihawk agree to something that inherently benefits him as well?

Show me the source saying Shanks wants to be WGS.

Shanks doesn't give af about being WGS, he cares about being Great Pirate and also One Piece.

Until you show me Shanks wanted to be WGS and failed your post is an insane delusion and crazy Mihawk rant.

Tha fact that Shanks and Mihawk have had many duels in tha past and they’ve been referred to as legendary and shook tha GrandLine by WB himself kinda points to him caring bout it doesn’t it? Why fight someone multiple times and ask to settle tha score if Shanks isn’t invested in fighting tha WSS at all? Why not spend that time fighting WB or Kaiodu etc

He doesn’t kare bout tha WSS or trying to be it. But has had multiple fights with tha WSS to tha point that when either is mentioned tha other is mentioned literally in tha same sentence, but Shanks klearly doesn’t kare bout it

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

taking 1% of an attack isn’t the durability feat you think it is

Kaido has far greater haki and stats. No reason to think he couldn’t 1 shot Zoro.

Just for reference, Luffy needed to become a sky splitter to even begin to tank Kaido’s named ACoC attacks.

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Option 3: Shanks didn’t fully master divine departure until he actually became a yonko

Roger pirate Shanks merely had an ACoA version of the attack, if he even could use it at all. It was like Honesty Impact vs Galaxy impact.

Where you get 1% from and even after taking hakai Hybrid Jaudo Bagua a defenseless Zoro and still couldn't kill him. Zoro took all that damage plus King fight and still didn't due. So let stop the nonesense

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Aokiji is Teach's underling.

The moment, Aokiji is brought up Teach tard started bringing a wall of excuses .

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

@Jiihad Go easy on the dude, you destroyed him.

 

[Zenos7]

When did he win? There is a reason he literally is searching for someone like Shanks, so he can finally put an end to his duels.

Lihawk literally first Top tier fight was Vista and he had to run away.

Missed the point big time

 

[BattalGazi]

Once Mihawk beats Vista he will be strong enough to challenge Ben.

 

[Kiiro]

Is Shanks tha WSS….or tha PK? If tha answer is no, then he’s factually a loser/second place silver medalist. End of discussion lmao, you ain’t gotta like it, but he’s factually a career loser who couldn’t claim either throne on his own merit…..

He’s their equal but has NEVER held any Workds Strongest Title……again a loser

Pk> Yonko
PK> WSS
Yonko =Wss.

Being wss of fodders doesn't put you above Shanks.

 

[Jiihad]

Pk> Yonko
PK> WSS
Yonko =Wss.

Being wss of fodders doesn't put you above Shanks.

I’m not sure what this has to do with tha Yonko and by extension Shanks being a career loser

But either way, tha peak/pinnacle of swordsmen who stands above all other swordsmen and is tha person all others are chasing. Is objectively tha winner

 

[Erkan12]

That’s tha only thing we know bout Mihawk is that he’s tha WSS, his reasoning etc for that is irrelevant at this point because we don’t know what caused/influenced it. So tryin to say his job is being a pirate is idiotic and makes no sense. He isn’t beholden to being a pirate. He has to choose to be one, same way how he chose to pursue swordsmanship. And in his chosen field, he’s tha best and accomplished what every other swordsman wants to

That’s cool, Great Pirate Shanks is still by definition a loser



Yes factually Kaiodu and tha rest of tha Yonko are inherently losers by nature of being Yonko. It’s not a difficult concept, what Luffy and Shanks agreed about has no bearing on whether or not Shanks and by extension tha Yonko are losers




And fulfilling that promise doesn’t negate Shanks from being a loser lol, what? Yes fulfilling that promise is important…to Luffy and Shanks. That’s it end of discussion, nobody else in tha verse kares bout that promise. If Luffy only ever fulfills that promise and stops there. Did he win? Did he win tha race that he chose to enter?

Iirc(I’ll have to check tha DB/VC or whatever) Mihawk set out to challenge strong opponents and become tha strongest swordsman. He accomplished that, he chose a path, rose through tha ranks and claimed tha throne of strongest swordsman alive. Factually he won and every other swordsman lost. Same way how Roger won since he became King and EVERY other pirate lost(therefore they are losers like I said)

And Mihawk as an underling has a higher bounty than his captain….




PK being more difficult to achieve doesn’t take away from tha fact that ALL swordsmen are losers until one of them usurps Mihawk for tha throne



So you intentionally chose not to read that cross guild chapter with any sort of context huh? Mihawk literally says “ I prefer a quiet life, let’s have him(referring to buggy) be tha face while we take it easy in tha shadows”

Him choosing/agreeing to work alongside equally with Crocodile has nothing to do with whether or not Mihawk is a winner lmao. Croc is good at this one thing(planning and puttin together legit plans and gathering funds) and Mihawk is good at this other thing(fighting and having fighting capabilities/strength on par with other top tiers) it’s a mutually beneficial relationship. Why wouldn’t Mihawk agree to something that inherently benefits him as well?



Tha fact that Shanks and Mihawk have had many duels in tha past and they’ve been referred to as legendary and shook tha GrandLine by WB himself kinda points to him caring bout it doesn’t it? Why fight someone multiple times and ask to settle tha score if Shanks isn’t invested in fighting tha WSS at all? Why not spend that time fighting WB or Kaiodu etc

He doesn’t kare bout tha WSS or trying to be it. But has had multiple fights with tha WSS to tha point that when either is mentioned tha other is mentioned literally in tha same sentence, but Shanks klearly doesn’t kare bout it

Mihawk's fate is to lose vs future PK's underling. Not even lose vs future PK.

Kaido, and other Luffy opponents, will lose vs future PK.

Its actually insane that you are calling Mihawk, the guy who will be inferior to PK's underling, a winner, then call people loser for directly losing to future PK, not lose to future PK's underling.

Thats one.

Second is, you didn't prove why Mihawk the pirate has no goal other than being WGS. Thats nonsense, he is a pirate for a reason and hunted Marines for a reason. If Zolo had no captain, he wouldn't be a pirate, once Luffy is dead, Zolo will stop being a pirate. So its different for Mihawk as we know he is a pirate, so he must have reasons to be a pirate.

If Mihawk had no goal other than being WGS, why he become Marine Hunter to take his revenge from Marines? Clearly, Mihawk failed at something so he wanted revenge from Marines.

Mihawk the pirate, is a loser confirmed.

Mihawk competed with Shanks as pirates, Mihawk end up not accomplishing anything as a pirate, meanwhile Shanks become a Great Pirate.

Roger was Great Pirate same as other Emperors. not WGS, Roger only become PK because Oden decided to join him and they find final island.

Great Pirate > WGS, as Roger was Great Pirate but not WGS.

If Roger stayed as Great Pirate without having Oden's help would Roger be a loser? Lmao.

If Mihawk defeated Shanks, then Mihawk would be winner and Shanks would be loser. But Mihawk couldn't defeat Shanks. You think Mihawk is winner due to WGS but WGS can't stop Swordsman Shanks from being a Great Pirate meanwhile Mihawk stays as regular pirate?

Mihawk and Croco can work, but if Croc works under Mihawk. Just like Aokiji works as underling for Teach. If Mihawk and Croc works as equals then you call Croc loser but not Mihawk loser thats insane Mihawk rant lmao.

Mihawk needed Croco's help to survive vs Marines as they were invading his island:

If Mihawk needed Croc's help as his equal partner, then you can call Mihawk loser as well, as he needed help from a loser Crocodile.

Then he agrees to tell all the world that he is an underling for an Emperor:

All world knows Mihawk as an underling for Buggy, yet you call Emperors are losers but not Emperor underling Mihawk loser?

Now, what Mihawk will do? He will go after One Piece because Buggy forced him

 

[Kiiro]

Missed the point big time

🤣🤣🤣

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I’m not sure what this has to do with tha Yonko and by extension Shanks being a career loser

But either way, tha peak/pinnacle of swordsmen who stands above all other swordsmen and is tha person all others are chasing. Is objectively tha winner

You dont know what this has to do with Yonko? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are using titles as powerlevel. Wss aint better than being a Yonko.

 

[Jiihad]

You dont know what this has to do with Yonko? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are using titles as powerlevel. Wss aint better than being a Yonko.

Sure…..but Mihawk being a winner has nothing to do with whether tha Yonko are strong or not tho

You only become a Yonko cause you aren’t strong enough or good enough to ACTUALLY become tha PK. Ergo, you’ve lost tha race you chose to enter, so you’re a loser

Being tha WSS inherently means that you’ve won, there isn’t a title or anything for swordsmen above WSS, we know for a FACT that there is something above tha title of Yonko

 

[Buggy D Clown]

You are using titles as powerlevel. Wss aint better than being a Yonko.

WSS is strength based. Yonko isn't

 

[Kiiro]

WSS is strength based. Yonko isn't

How tf is WSS strength based.. when Mihawk literally fought no one to get the title in the first place? There isnt a competion for it..

While Yonko literally are called Great Pirate which fight each other to rule over all pirates... including Mihawk?

 

[Crow]

How tf is WSS strength based.. when Mihawk literally fought no one to get the title in the first place? There isnt a competion for it..

While Yonko literally are called Great Pirate which fight each other to rule over all pirates... including Mihawk?

The fact that Buggy of all people was named yonko exactly because he supposedly has Mihawk under his command should have made you think twice before you wrote this

 

[Kiiro]

Sure…..but Mihawk being a winner has nothing to do with whether tha Yonko are strong or not tho

You only become a Yonko cause you aren’t strong enough or good enough to ACTUALLY become tha PK. Ergo, you’ve lost tha race you chose to enter, so you’re a loser

Being tha WSS inherently means that you’ve won, there isn’t a title or anything for swordsmen above WSS, we know for a FACT that there is something above tha title of Yonko

Who tf did Mihawk win? Dude didn't fight Vista en his whole life and at the end didn't finish.

Fought Shanks and never won.

Mihawk literally wanted to test himself vs a top tier at marineford.... almost saying he fought no one alse lol.

And if you dont understand how titles are given in One Piece... 😅😅😅😅😅 dont know what to say.

Admiral is the only title that surely represents a real correlation between its ranks or title and its power.

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The fact that Buggy of all people was named yonko exactly because he supposedly has Mihawk under his command should have made you think twice before you wrote this

Mihawk under him? Bring me where it says he is Yonko thanks to Mihawk?

Forget Crocodile, Buggys own hype that says he is equal to Shanks and having a big army thanks to his business... dont be hypocrite.

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- Yes he did say that and he was right, because PK requires strenght, allies, and luck as shown with Roger, Luffy AND Buggy lmao
- It doesn t need to be stated explicitely, what we know is that Mihawk is the WSS and when someone is said to be the strongest then he is stronger than the others...as simple as that...
- Let s see, Mihawk arrives on Shanks' Island making everyone panic, strolls calmly to the captain and insults him in front of his OG crew and then gets offered a drink, meanwhile Shank immediately tries to grab his sword and then serves Mihawk said drink...you tell me who came out looking better.
- No, he is searching for someone stronger than Shanks, don't try to twist it.
- ''They gave'' ? Who the heck are ''they'' lmao
- His title puts him above Shanks
- ''Scared'' hahah they guy who travels the world on a coffin byhimselg is scared ? whatever lets you sleep at night.

HIS title?

How is his title gonna put him above Shanks, a yonko while himself is below Buggy, a Yonko?

His title proves shit tbh. At least bring a list of who his title puts him above and explain why other than gossip from people in One piece world.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

How tf is WSS strength based.. when Mihawk literally fought no one to get the title in the first place? There isnt a competion for it..

The requirement to be the strongest is strength... It's strength based.

While Yonko literally are called Great Pirate which fight each other to rule over all pirates... including Mihawk?

Mihawk literally chose not to have the title.
Who did Buggy fight to become a Yonko?
Yonko is literally just territory + man power.
The strength of the captain isn't necessary.

If however you were to place a powerlevel to becoming a Yonko it would be >= YC1.

 

[NexusLord]

Pretty sure the only people who think Mihawk is more powerful than Shanks barely passed highschool.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Mihawk's job is to be pirate

Mihawk’s job is not to be a pirate.

We know there’s pirates who don’t give a shit about Pirates king title like Pedro or clover or FUCKING WHITEBEARD

the one stated goal we know mihawk had outside of his WSS goal was to get revenge on the marines for something… That’s it… He’s never once said shit about the pirate king title

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Pretty sure the only people who think Mihawk is more powerful than Shanks barely passed highschool.

Bro talking about passing highschool while still being in primary school struggling to grasp superlative adjectives