Le Fishe Thread In 4K Color - AdCoC Lightning versus CoA Lightning!..

#21
Colour version CoC lightning is random and don't mean anything. The colouring team do whatever comes out of their arse at the time.

2 releases ago



Previous release



Now




Not to mention how we recently we got Oda draw the gorosei in their human form and they still got Jupiter hair wrong. Once again proving they should't be taken seriously.




The coloured version is just there for people who like to read their manga with colour & shouldn't be taken seriously.

Manga+ Oda interviews(sbs etc) should be the only things taken into account if you aren't too much onto your agenda.
@Rootbeer see ? What have been saying this whole time? The Final Attack you talked too much about it being AdvCoC no touch and look at its color now.

And guess what just like Kamusari... You are finished LMAO.

Colors means nothing

:willight:

Edit.. also look at this



Its the same thick color scheme on the lightning. Which means if you continue with your "Unmastered AdvCoC" then Zoro is at that phase after beating King.

:myman:

So whats it gonna be?
 
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#22
If that Yellow Lightning is Nika then you're literally admitting that Luffy's fruit is boosting his Haki..

Roger's Kamusari is not AdCoC, you will never get your way with that, Oda compared it to Paradise Waterfall which is a low end technique that has low amount of base CoC in both..



Either way Ashura is from Sandai Kitetsu, not from Zoro..


Why not address the point instead of deflecting..
Can you shut the fuck up and stop quoting me? I don't like to be rude but I honestly hate you. Stop fucking quoting me with your negative iq worm brained takes.
 
#26
Nope. Oda has exactly ZERO to do with these colors. In fact they have contradicted Oda’s colors a number of times

the guys who do the colors are in the same boat as the guys who do the anime… There was an interview with one of the anime directors who was asked about all the colored lightning effects and auras in Wano and he straight up said they don’t know what any of it means. The directors said he knows there’s haki lightning and auras at times in the manga but he doesn’t know what it means hence why the anime does all manner of random shit when it comes to colors and auras… they also don’t know

these are people who have a direct line of contact with Oda himself and they admit that all these effects mean nothing. They just make them up because according to them “they exist”… that’s their excuse… they claim that All these effects exist in the story whether Oda draws them or not so that’s what gives them the liberty to also just put them wherever they feel like with whatever colors they feel like.

Im talking about the anime people because they have actually given interviews about this… I’m sure if you do the same for colored manga people they would say the exact same thing… They choose colors for the sake of what looks cool whenever
That's a whole bunch of assumptions and lumping the anime with the official digital colored manga from Shuseisha which the Black and white manga is produced directly from..

The fact is that small mistakes like getting the clothes or hair color wrong holds no weight at all on their credibility, if you're going to use that as argument, point out big coloring error that has a real impact on the story or power system..


How did i admit anything? I was just asking you. And what is your "expert analysis" tells you?
:willight:

And Oda forget the attacks names sometimes but obviously he meant the Attack Oden used to scar Kaido. So yea Kamusari is AdvCoC according to the author of the story.
It's just applying common logic, if the Yellow Lightning comes from Nika and Nika comes from Luffy, Luffy's fruit Awakening is then boosting Luffy's Haki too..

Stop, the kid who asked the question mentioned Paradise Waterfall and Kamusari because he was playing and posing as the technique since we didn't see a pose for Paradise Totsuka at the time, only when it was done by the scabbards.. So no Kamusari is not AdCoC and Oda doesn't say that..


Colour version CoC lightning is random and don't mean anything. The colouring team do whatever comes out of their arse at the time.

2 releases ago



Previous release



Now




Not to mention how we recently we got Oda draw the gorosei in their human form and they still got Jupiter hair wrong. Once again proving they should't be taken seriously.




The coloured version is just there for people who like to read their manga with colour & shouldn't be taken seriously.

Manga+ Oda interviews(sbs etc) should be the only things taken into account if you aren't too much onto your agenda.
Could be or it could not be.. And i can explain how the color could make sense by separating the use of AdCoC into 4 class..

1 - CoC Coated Lightning + Big No touch
2 - CoC Coated Lightning + Small No touch(or touch)
3 - No CoC Coated Lightning + Big No touch
4 - No CoC Coated Lightning + Small No touch(or touch)


And it's not a solid point to bring insignificant minor color details like hair color of a character, you will need to provide something that has obvious impact on the story like Sabo's flames being Pink, Sanji's flames Black or Luffy's hat Green..


@Rootbeer see ? What have been saying this whole time? The Final Attack you talked too much about it being AdvCoC no touch and look at its color now.

And guess what just like Kamusari... You are finished LMAO.

Colors means nothing

:willight:

Edit.. also look at this



Its the same thick color scheme on the lightning. Which means if you continue with your "Unmastered AdvCoC" then Zoro is at that phase after beating King.

:myman:

So whats it gonna be?
Uh, it's not known if Luffy used AdCoC on Bajrang gun or not so far..

And Zoro, Luffy's AdCoC is completely different, in Zoro's case his subpar AdCoC is boosted by Enma to make it even with the lowest Luffy AdCoC application which is no coated Lightning and no '' no touch ''

CoC Coated Lightning no touch > CoC Coated Lightning touch No CoC Coated Lightning no touch > No CoC Coated Lightning touch Zoro Enma boosted KoH AdCoC > Zoro AdCoC
 
#27
The fact is that small mistakes like getting the clothes or hair color wrong holds no weight at all on their credibility, if you're going to use that as argument, point out big coloring error that has a real impact on the story or power system..
But that’s thing YOURE THE ONE WHO SAYS IT MATTERS

you’re assuming that the colors of lightning matter so you’re the one who is claiming the colors have an effect on the story

the anime group is also in charge of choosing these colors for the story and yet they have directly the colors don’t mean anything… Are you saying that Oda watched the Wano anime make up dozens of random colors and never once told them “actually this colors is very important and it should be this instead”… EVER? Oda doesn’t give a shit that his story is being bastardized by all these “Important color changes”

See we agree on one thing, if something matters to the story, Oda would probably tell shueisha directs what to do… What we disagree on is of course whether these colors matter or have ever been hinted to matter

that’s the thing… there are WAY TOO MANY inconsistencies that both YOU AND I have already discussed for over a year regarding lightning colors… If it mattered, Why the fuck has Oda said anything FOR YEARS NOW?

why is there ONE PANEL where there’s randomly yellow lightning that never appears ever anywhere in the manga? Doesn’t Oda want us to know when Luffy is using what haki? Why would he randomly throw this random color once in this panel and never again?

Maybe because Oda had nothing to do with this… Maybe it’s random because of all the other color inconsistencies… because it doesn’t fucking matter
 
#28
But that’s thing YOURE THE ONE WHO SAYS IT MATTERS

you’re assuming that the colors of lightning matter so you’re the one who is claiming the colors have an effect on the story

the anime group is also in charge of choosing these colors for the story and yet they have directly the colors don’t mean anything… Are you saying that Oda watched the Wano anime make up dozens of random colors and never once told them “actually this colors is very important and it should be this instead”… EVER? Oda doesn’t give a shit that his story is being bastardized by all these “Important color changes”

See we agree on one thing, if something matters to the story, Oda would probably tell shueisha directs what to do… What we disagree on is of course whether these colors matter or have ever been hinted to matter

that’s the thing… there are WAY TOO MANY inconsistencies that both YOU AND I have already discussed for over a year regarding lightning colors… If it mattered, Why the fuck has Oda said anything FOR YEARS NOW?

why is there ONE PANEL where there’s randomly yellow lightning that never appears ever anywhere in the manga? Doesn’t Oda want us to know when Luffy is using what haki? Why would he randomly throw this random color once in this panel and never again?

Maybe because Oda had nothing to do with this… Maybe it’s random because of all the other color inconsistencies… because it doesn’t fucking matter
You have to cease comparing the Anime with the Official Digital Colored manga from the Shueisha, the anime is from an entirely different company..

See we agree on one thing, if something matters to the story, Oda would probably tell shueisha directs what to do… What we disagree on is of course whether these colors matter or have ever been hinted to matter
That's why i'm telling you Oda made a direct correction from his manga to the colored manga with Roger's Kamusari attack!..
The attack was originally 2 different shade of colors the main Haki lightning ray was colored White outlined Black and the Sparks around it were colored plain black, and it was unified into a single color down the line with only Black Red Lightning all around, the sparks and the beam itself..



They even colored it golden originally in the vivre cards.. Their goal is not to be the most inconsistent, it's to be the most consistent..





Maybe the yellow Lightning is random, maybe it's not random.. Japanese people don't go out of their way to choose
random colors when it's supposed to be Black Red lightning all over the place, they are by the book and rules.. There was
clear indication to make some Haki Lightning Yellow to either differentiate to duality between a mythical being within Luffy or
distinguish between CoA Haki Lightning and AdCoC Haki Lightning.. Take your pick..
 
#29
Their goal is not to be the most inconsistent, it's to be the most consistent..
So why are they inconsistent AT ALL

Have you asked yourself that? Does Oda himself not know what he’s drawing for there to be so many inconsistencies? Is he changing his mind about things?

answer This first. Why is it even inconsistent to begin with?

I have an answer, it’s because it doesn’t matter hence why we have examples of haki lightning changing colors from one page to another page… It doesn’t matter so the color people do whatever they want

But you don’t like this answer, at first you claimed every single color change was intentional and me and many people on this forum proved you wrong… now you’re just saying it’s inconsistency… So now I’m asking why is there an inconsistency to begin with? It’s Oda telling people each and every color choice so why doesn’t it make any sense?

your answer to this question has to be good enough to explain EVERY inconsistency, and there are many many of them
 
#30
Uh, it's not known if Luffy used AdCoC on Bajrang gun or not so far..

And Zoro, Luffy's AdCoC is completely different, in Zoro's case his subpar AdCoC is boosted by Enma to make it even with the lowest Luffy AdCoC application which is no coated Lightning and no '' no touch ''

CoC Coated Lightning no touch > CoC Coated Lightning touch No CoC Coated Lightning no touch > No CoC Coated Lightning touch Zoro Enma boosted KoH AdCoC > Zoro AdCoC
Wait wait wait LMAO... this is a historic day.. you got the 1st Like from me. And don't cope about Bajrang gun you kept telling us its AdvCoC because it was a "no touch".

You actually admitted "finally without coping" that Zoro used AdvCoC.

As for "subpar" well Zoro has just came to terms that he can use CoC let alone full on coating it. Give him time.

No Touch part comes from AdvCoA it has nothing to do with AdvCoC. Luffy Big Mom Kaido WB Roger combined AdvCoA + AdvCoC.

Anyways idc about anything you finally admitted it LOL

I mentioned these guys who participated in this thread
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/advcoc-is-colorful-lightning.58889/

@centurion @Blazing Lion @Artem @CbShadow @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Galahad @Guymieux @Cruxroux @L57
 
#31
Wait wait wait LMAO... this is a historic day.. you got the 1st Like from me. And don't cope about Bajrang gun you kept telling us its AdvCoC because it was a "no touch".

You actually admitted "finally without coping" that Zoro used AdvCoC.

As for "subpar" well Zoro has just came to terms that he can use CoC let alone full on coating it. Give him time.

No Touch part comes from AdvCoA it has nothing to do with AdvCoC. Luffy Big Mom Kaido WB Roger combined AdvCoA + AdvCoC.

Anyways idc about anything you finally admitted it LOL

I mentioned these guys who participated in this thread
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/advcoc-is-colorful-lightning.58889/

@centurion @Blazing Lion @Artem @CbShadow @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Galahad @Guymieux @Cruxroux @L57
Reading him.
Kaidou actually never used No touch , it was either luffy with AdCoA and Rest was CoC pressure.
Which even zoro used when King tried to take his swords away.
 
#32
So why are they inconsistent AT ALL

Have you asked yourself that? Does Oda himself not know what he’s drawing for there to be so many inconsistencies? Is he changing his mind about things?

answer This first. Why is it even inconsistent to begin with?

I have an answer, it’s because it doesn’t matter hence why we have examples of haki lightning changing colors from one page to another page… It doesn’t matter so the color people do whatever they want

But you don’t like this answer, at first you claimed every single color change was intentional and me and many people on this forum proved you wrong… now you’re just saying it’s inconsistency… So now I’m asking why is there an inconsistency to begin with? It’s Oda telling people each and every color choice so why doesn’t it make any sense?

your answer to this question has to be good enough to explain EVERY inconsistency, and there are many many of them
Bro why you're splitting from my point into consistency philosophy..

It's undeniable that the first Kamusari was an honest correction from Oda, it can't be any other way..

Wait wait wait LMAO... this is a historic day.. you got the 1st Like from me. And don't cope about Bajrang gun you kept telling us its AdvCoC because it was a "no touch".

You actually admitted "finally without coping" that Zoro used AdvCoC.

As for "subpar" well Zoro has just came to terms that he can use CoC let alone full on coating it. Give him time.

No Touch part comes from AdvCoA it has nothing to do with AdvCoC. Luffy Big Mom Kaido WB Roger combined AdvCoA + AdvCoC.

Anyways idc about anything you finally admitted it LOL

I mentioned these guys who participated in this thread
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/advcoc-is-colorful-lightning.58889/

@centurion @Blazing Lion @Artem @CbShadow @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Galahad @Guymieux @Cruxroux @L57
Cruxroux: And if it's pure purple and dark purple.

Will you admit he has AdCoC? [/QUOTE]

Rootbeer: OK..[/QUOTE]
Cruxroux: deal[/QUOTE]
Rootbeer: But if it's Black Purple, i win.. :myman:[/QUOTE]
Cruxroux: If it's all purple , I win.
:hihihi:[/QUOTE]


Whatever i said about Bajrang Gun before, now it may be No Coated CoC Lightning + Touch, i divided the use of AdCoC into 4 categories to explain why Bajrang Gun can still be AdCoC without only Red Lightning..

I'm not even sure Zoro can stack CoC into AdCoC without Enma, so his AdCoC is the worst in One Piece..

No, the no touch part is AdCoC, don't go spouting non sense again, when AdCoC is introduced in chapter 1010 Luffy is strictly using AdCoC, you don't reveal a new power by mixing it with another.. There's no touch CoA and no touch AdCoC..
 
#33
I'm not even sure Zoro can stack CoC into AdCoC without Enma, so his AdCoC is the worst in One Piece..
:suresure::suresure::suresure:
No, the no touch part is AdCoC, don't go spouting non sense again, when AdCoC is introduced in chapter 1010 Luffy is strictly using AdCoC, you don't reveal a new power by mixing it with another.. There's no touch CoA and no touch AdCoC..
Go back to Hyo explanation and Rayleigh 1st Haki use in front of Luffy they were no touch variety. Luffy wanted to learn to do that.

And he did it

See this image? Its no Touch AdvCoA+Internal Destruction





:willight::willight::willight:
 
#34
Whatever i said about Bajrang Gun before, now it may be No Coated CoC Lightning + Touch
Are purposely trying to be blind or something.
He literally used no touch against Kaidou Flaming Bagua , we even got a hyo flashback.


i divided the use of AdCoC into 4 categories to explain why Bajrang Gun can still be AdCoC without only Red Lightning
No touch involves use of AdCoA.
Even primebeard and roger clash was black and red.

One color - Bigmam , Kaidou , Luffy , Yamato
One Color + CoA - Luffy and Zoro
KoH level Lightening Release - only Zoro. And luffy with Bajrang Gun maybe.

Zoro is out there being one of the strongest Haki master lol.
 
#35
Go back to Hyo explanation and Rayleigh 1st Haki use in front of Luffy they were no touch variety. Luffy wanted to learn to do that.

And he did it

See this image? Its no Touch AdvCoA+Internal Destruction



That's why i said there's no touch CoA and no touch AdCoC, 2 different things..

Are purposely trying to be blind or something.
He literally used no touch against Kaidou Flaming Bagua , we even got a hyo flashback.
That was CoA Barrier to deflect the initial impact of Flaming Bagua..

No touch involves use of AdCoA.
Even primebeard and roger clash was black and red.

One color - Bigmam , Kaidou , Luffy , Yamato
One Color + CoA - Luffy and Zoro
KoH level Lightening Release - only Zoro. And luffy with Bajrang Gun maybe.

Zoro is out there being one of the strongest Haki master lol.
No, Roger and Whitebeard center clash was all red and only AdCoC..

The whole point of AdCoC was Oden and Law's reaction..



Zoro is being carried by Enma, well Luffy is getting carried by his fruit too, at least Luffy's AdCoC is not trash.. Luffy got overall
way better Haki than Zoro..
 
#36
That was CoA Barrier to deflect the initial impact of Flaming Bagua..
CoA barrier is what creates No touch effect genius.


No, Roger and Whitebeard center clash was all red and only AdCoC..

The whole point of AdCoC was Oden and Law's reaction..



I wonder where the Black and red lightening coming from.



Zoro is being carried by Enma, well Luffy is getting carried by his fruit too, at least Luffy's AdCoC is not trash.. Luffy got overall
way better Haki than Zoro..
On the basis of what lmao.

Zoro isn't carried by Enma , it's the other way around.
- Zoro ryou > Luffy Ryou proved on Rooftop.
- Zoro AdCoC > Luffy AdCoC proved on their first Use itself and deriving something like KoH.

It was literally stated in early chapters Zoro has more will Power than Luffy.
 
#37
CoA barrier is what creates No touch effect genius.
Stacking CoA and Stacking CoC is not the same..



I wonder where the Black and red lightening coming from.
Since AdCoC and CoA Lightning are coupled, CoA's emission range is bigger than AdCoC's emission range.. Still all Red for most of the clash..

On the basis of what lmao.

Zoro isn't carried by Enma , it's the other way around.
- Zoro ryou > Luffy Ryou proved on Rooftop.
- Zoro AdCoC > Luffy AdCoC proved on their first Use itself and deriving something like KoH.

It was literally stated in early chapters Zoro has more will Power than Luffy.
Zoro is carried by Enma, i'm not sure Zoro can stack CoC in AdCoC without Enma.. Zoro's AdCoC is weaker than any character
in the series, he needs Enma to boost his AdCoC..
 
#38
Stacking CoA and Stacking CoC is not the same..
Basic CoC creates pressure , and zoro already did it with King.


Since AdCoC and CoA Lightning are coupled, CoA's emission range is bigger than AdCoC's emission range.. Still all Red for most of the clash.
Just wow.
Is this the new 95% CoC + 5% CoA?


Zoro is carried by Enma, i'm not sure Zoro can stack CoC in AdCoC without Enma.. Zoro's AdCoC is weaker than any character
in the series, he needs Enma to boost his AdCoC..
Where was Oden AdCoC for wielding it for this long then? Please explain. He couldn't unlock it either until he saw it.

Zoro unlocked it when he went all out with his Haki wirh no holding back. As a result he awakened CoC + AdCoC at once. A prove that Zoro was always holding back his Haki until This moment with king.


Zoro's AdCoC is weaker than any character
Said by rootbeer who has proven wrong in nearly all the theories he has made.


in the series, he needs Enma to boost his AdCoC..
No lol , it's upto Zoro on the amount of release.
 
#40
Basic CoC creates pressure , and zoro already did it with King.
You can't just say whatever pops in your head, it needs to make sense..

Just wow.
Is this the new 95% CoC + 5% CoA?
Why you think its Black Red lightning and Red lightning sometime.. It's because when Black Red lightning is Coated in CoC it turns Red..

Where was Oden AdCoC for wielding it for this long then? Please explain. He couldn't unlock it either until he saw it.

Zoro unlocked it when he went all out with his Haki wirh no holding back. As a result he awakened CoC + AdCoC at once. A prove that Zoro was always holding back his Haki until This moment with king.
Oden and Enma is full of plot holes so it's pointless to go there..

Yet Zoro didn't show no touch no full Green Lightning..

Said by rootbeer who has proven wrong in nearly all the theories he has made.
No lol , it's upto Zoro on the amount of release.
I don't have all the informations so..
It's Zoro who decide the amount to release but if Zoro release 10%, Enma upgrades it to 30%..


@Cruxroux he is saying Zoro's Haki is weak as a coping mechanism. Since everything hes been saying has crumbled down.

Just throw laughing emojis whenever he writes that.
:suresure: :suresure:
It's not my fault that Zoro has a Haki boosting Blade, or that he didn't show no touch, or that his Haki Lightning isn't fully Green which would imply being coated is CoC..
 
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