Role Madness A Certain Magical Mafia II - Game Thread

[York]

Maybe you guys should trust my instincts more idk I feel like I earned it. Granted I was wrong about Ali but he posted 4 times lol.

Don't think you should be making statements like this until we see the Reloaded flip. If he's town, then your instincts are no better than mine.

 

[Fujishiro]

so you saved one town and killed another....

so your logic is flawed and moot

I saved one guy who was town off his posts and CFDed a guy who made 4 posts and could be scum. My logic is fine thank you very much. You on the other hand did nothing at all the entire phase and then you come and vote the one guy who kept defending Orca and trying to start other wagons.

 

[Fujishiro]

Don't think you should be making statements like this until we see the Reloaded flip. If he's town, then your instincts are no better than mine.

Im making the statement about Orca not Reloaded. I can be wrong, but Id like to be given the benefit of the doubt some more. I literally made these posts last phase:

I been thinking youre town since we argued, come back to the inner circle. I need my commander, I truly think Orca is town honestly, hes not even voting his counterwagon in Reloaded when it presented itself and actually criticized and said it felt off.

Which you ignored, actually everybody ignored this and then Im guessing the vig went ahead and shot the Orca anyways lol.

 

[York]

Im making the statement about Orca not Reloaded. I can be wrong, but Id like to be given the benefit of the doubt some more. I literally made these posts last phase:

Which you ignored, actually everybody ignored this and then Im guessing the vig went ahead and shot the Orca anyways lol.

So you had one correct read about someone not being scum. Call the presses!

 

[York]

Should have been either "stop the presses" or "call the press". Kinda bungled two different statements together there.

 

[Fujishiro]

I know Orca flipped town, yes, but the fact remained that after you pinged people trying to start a wagon for town, a lot of people came and voted very close to each other. You have to admit that's unusual.

We didnt know Ali was town and I thought he could be scum and I was trying to get a lynch that wasnt the Orca, there is no merit for me as scum to fight off the orcas wagon the entire phase almost and try to derail it multiple times when its an easy consensus lynch that was stale for most of the phase. I invite you to actually think before you post my friend.

I think there could be scum in the Ali wagon but Its hard to tell when the Orca wagon was a thing that was established for multiple days.

 

[Yoho]

Im making the statement about Orca not Reloaded. I can be wrong, but Id like to be given the benefit of the doubt some more. I literally made these posts last phase:

Which you ignored, actually everybody ignored this and then Im guessing the vig went ahead and shot the Orca anyways lol.

Wdym everybody ignored, good chunk of the people that was on Orca swapped to Ali when you requested us too

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

funny that ra voted reloaded

when look at vote count.

and he was attempted kill.

I'm never letting my team FK someone who susses me out lmao. It's an awful look when people catch onto that.

 

[Fujishiro]

Wdym everybody ignored, good chunk of the people that was on Orca swapped to Ali when you requested us too

The vig didnt give a shit lol.

 

[Naomi]

We didnt know Ali was town and I thought he could be scum and I was trying to get a lynch that wasnt the Orca, there is no merit for me as scum to fight off the orcas wagon the entire phase almost and try to derail it multiple times when its an easy consensus lynch that was stale for most of the phase. I invite you to actually think before you post my friend.

I think there could be scum in the Ali wagon but Its hard to tell when the Orca wagon was a thing that was established for multiple days.

ali was wasted town slot, afk the entire phase.

 

[Naomi]

@Random Asshole are you bullet proof?

 

[Stargate18]

We didnt know Ali was town and I thought he could be scum and I was trying to get a lynch that wasnt the Orca, there is no merit for me as scum to fight off the orcas wagon the entire phase almost and try to derail it multiple times when its an easy consensus lynch that was stale for most of the phase. I invite you to actually think before you post my friend.

I think there could be scum in the Ali wagon but Its hard to tell when the Orca wagon was a thing that was established for multiple days.

For clarity, I am saying the following:

1) I believe, currently, you are town, as you are correct that your actions did not benefit scum.

2) Several people, including some very inactive players, immediately changing to Ali after you pinged, makes me think that some of them were scum waiting for an excuse to switch from the self-proclaimed "near-vanilla" player to the potential PR wagon, especially since doing so in a way that appeared to be following you would make it easier to push you later.

 

[MUUGEN]

Youre attacking my hosting when I criticized your playing this game immediately disqualifies this argument

how do I 90% am I top 3 poster and most contributive games, you are 100% the same when hosting and allowing inactivity so don’t try coming at me for hanging back c1.

Please explain why I am scum, I am waiting. Is it when I tried to derail from Orca with Reloaded, or when I derailed from Orca into Ali? Youre either being wilfully ignorant right now or just scum, Im trying to decide which

you’re trying to use flawed logic to state why you’re not scum, I moved the votes from orca to Ali town to town, what logic would you have here if survived last cycle none.
& hurry up and decide and lmk

I’ve already stated I can clear myself so you’re really trying to bark up the wrong tree here.

 

[MUUGEN]

So Naomi already called it quits on her 100% certain scum read in me

 

[Naomi]

So Naomi already called it quits on her 100% certain scum read in me

my vote still on you.

till you do something towny!!

 

[Fujishiro]

Charlie and Yoho are tied. I ask people to unvote Charlie.

Charlie - 3
Yoho - 3
Flower - 1
Fujishiro - 1
Reloaded - 1

Closest to hamemer so far: Charlie with 5/12 votes.

Spoiler: voting history
Alexis: Alexis > unvote > Charlie
Flower: Reloaded > Alexis > Ghostface Killa > Fujishiro > Yoho
Ghostface Killa: Grammaton > Flower > unvote > Flower > Flower > unvote > Flower > unvote > Flower
Naomi: Yoho
Fujishiro: Charlie > unvote
Yoho: Charlie > unvote
Reloaded: Charlie
Muugen: Fujishiro
Polar Bear: Reloaded
York: Charlie
Mango Senpai: Ghostface Killa > Yoho > Fujishiro > unvote
AM: Yoho > Flower > unvote > Yoho

Flower votes Orca first.

Mango follows.

Based on tea leaves rn

Players Alive:
Yoho - Town
Dr. Watson - Town
MangoSenpai - Scum
Fujishiro - Town
Flower - Town
Muugen - Town
Alexis2282AE - Chills... (Town)
Michelle - Scum
York - Town
Ali v2 - Scum
AlwaysMind - Town
The Orca - Town
Polar Bear - Town
Naomi - Town
Mr Reloaded - Indie
~UwU~ - Scum
Stargate18 - Indie
Random Asshole - Scum
Charlie - Town
Ghostface Killa - Town
Grammaton - Indie

Orca town in Pots reads.

I'm starting to unironically believing Yoho is just scum here.
I'll do the unthinkable and actually make a case!

Let's start with the very start, he opens the game claiming he didn't know it started, even though it had started mere moments ago.

While it seems a bit innocent on the surface, I'd argue that this is not really a townie approach to entering the thread; reasoning being that it feels forced and uninspired. Like he just have to say something, just to say something.

His very next post is also lazy and uninspired, asking if anyone has "come off as suspicious", while the game has barely even started yet. This again strikes me as performative, this early in the game it makes little sense to ask this question. Firstly if he really wanted to know, there was a measly few pages to read back - which would've taken 5 minutes max.
Second, he makes no attempt at actually looking for scums, nor is he really doing much of anything. Which again just makes me ask, why even ask the question in the first place.

Now I will admit that this point is not really exclusive to this game, and is possibly NAI, but in the bigger picture is yet another red flag in my book;
Yoho mindlessly follows Fuji on his attempt to strongarm the Lynch to Charlie after failing to inspire Watson to go along with his read. Yoho is not the only one who voted Charlie on Fuji's command, but I am singling him out in this context.

If you take into consideration that he came into the thread asking a question that he really had no interest in pursuing, and just lets himself mindlessly vote for Charlie with no questions asked or any thought of his own with it - It really paints a bad picture.


This is his GTH list he gave me when I asked ^

When I asked him to elaborate he had this to say;

Alexis was clearly just a shoehorn pick here, which I feel is redundant to harp on about.

But his reasonings for his picks are just very surface level, and pretty much reads as him not really giving it much thought himself.
As he later will admit, he say he is fine with eliminating both, even though from his wording here he is implying that it is a SvT (scum vs town) interaction- so in other words it just seems like a very inelegant attempt at justifying eliminating them both without having to bear any responsibility for their flips.

When I asked "what other than their interactions can you point to lending credence to your picks?" He had this to say;

Essentially saying there is nothing, which goes back to what I was just saying - he is just trying to justify eliminating someone, it doesn't really matter who.



So with this I am going to Vote Lynch Yoho

Yoho wagon starts.

I can agree
vote lynch Yoho

Yoho and Orca are high on my scum list. They are so high up there that if I place them any higher they leave Earth's orbit.

Says that but when presented with a Yoho wagon he doesnt vote him.

Yoho and Mango not paired. I saw Yohos claim, it could be a fake claim tbh I dont like how fast Yoho claimed.

Mango goes back to Orca.

Agreed on the Orca vote, for all the reasons mentioned so far.

Vote Lynch Orca

3rd to join the Orca wagon.

Vote: The Orca.

Vote Lynch Orca

Vote Orca

It's not close to hammer yet so

Vote: The Orca

5 votes on Orca built up in like 1 page. I dont think Mango is scum after reading this, Flower neither. Which leaves me with Alexis,Yoho,Reloaded and Charlie. I already said my thoughts on Charlie and he didnt change my mind yet, Reloaded still lean scum, Yoho Im considering if he couldnt be scum with one of the other voters I mean the swap to Orca was very fast and people instantly believed his claim.

 

[Fujishiro]

Not a fan of Stargate trying to get us to look at the Ali wagon instead of the Orca wagon for scum btw.

 

[Fujishiro]

ali was wasted town slot, afk the entire phase.

Yeah Muugen is hindsight heroing me lol.

 

[Fujishiro]

how do I 90% am I top 3 poster and most contributive games, you are 100% the same when hosting and allowing inactivity so don’t try coming at me for hanging back c1.

Cool I expect you to do more today.

you’re trying to use flawed logic to state why you’re not scum, I moved the votes from orca to Ali town to town, what logic would you have here if survived last cycle none.
& hurry up and decide and lmk

What are you talking about mate, first of all Alis slot was inactive there is no reason for scum to pivot from Orca to him literally none. Orca was an easy lynch why would I fight it. Also I dont understand the bolded at all.

I’ve already stated I can clear myself so you’re really trying to bark up the wrong tree here.

Alright then do something productive because parking it on the guy thats been the most vocal about Orca being town isnt it, show me youre town.

 

[Fujishiro]

For clarity, I am saying the following:

1) I believe, currently, you are town, as you are correct that your actions did not benefit scum.

2) Several people, including some very inactive players, immediately changing to Ali after you pinged, makes me think that some of them were scum waiting for an excuse to switch from the self-proclaimed "near-vanilla" player to the potential PR wagon, especially since doing so in a way that appeared to be following you would make it easier to push you later.

Do you not believe that the Orca wouldve flipped sooner or later, I dont think town wouldve let him survive another day and thats what happened. Sure if Orca survived for day then people in the ali wagon could push me for it but right now the only one pushing me is @MUUGEN for no reason. I like your reasoning atleast but why are you so focused on the ali wagon and not the Orca wagon as well, it had 7 votes very fast surely there would be scum there too no?